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xxxak
Caldari
No Limit Productions
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: xxxak on 25/08/2009 22:01:31
Edited by: xxxak on 25/08/2009 21:58:56
I can fly all of the above with max/near max skills/weapons/fitting ... minus the CS, which I can fly very soon.
Considering the cost of T2 lately (WTF?) I have considered that a T1 BC might be almost as useful (DPS) but obviously much much cheaper. Among the ships listed, assuming that cost IS an issue (somewhat) what would you rather have in your hanger for a random defense gang or short mid-sized gang roam?
Note, I actually own all of the above (yay hanger spinning) but I am asking which YOU would take out most often, and why.
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Bronnwynn
Minmatar
Cobalt Dragon Exploration Company
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Posted - 2009.08.25 22:00:00 -
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Hurricane.
'nuff said.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.08.25 22:03:00 -
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Drake, obviously. It's barely a competition.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.25 22:03:00 -
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I would take a Cane out most often, because I like flying around in a Star Destroyer. But the Drake's clearly the best bang for the buck.
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rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.08.25 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: rubico1337 on 25/08/2009 22:22:01
 Originally by: Bronnwynn
Hurricane.
'nuff said.
i hhave never really understood why people think the cane is so good. tbh you can do everything better in a drake or even harbi
Originally by: Lana Torrin
I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.
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Sylar Reuwich
Domination.
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:04:00 -
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Out of the T1 BCs I'd be happy to go with the Hurricane or the Harbinger. I can't decide between them ^^
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slightly sillydude
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337
Edited by: rubico1337 on 25/08/2009 22:22:01
Originally by: Bronnwynn
Hurricane.
'nuff said.
i hhave never really understood why people think the cane is so good. tbh you can do everything better in a drake or even harbi
Shield tanked cane can fit 2 medium neuts and still do decent DPS.
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Jodie Amille
Gunship Diplomacy
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: slightly sillydude
Originally by: rubico1337
Edited by: rubico1337 on 25/08/2009 22:22:01
Originally by: Bronnwynn
Hurricane.
'nuff said.
i hhave never really understood why people think the cane is so good. tbh you can do everything better in a drake or even harbi
Shield tanked cane can fit 2 medium neuts and still do decent DPS.
At two km's
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Thingymawotzit
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Posted - 2009.08.26 05:30:00 -
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MYRMIDON!
Myrm > All those ships tbh. Yes even the command ships.
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Tanith YarnDemon
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Posted - 2009.08.26 05:30:00 -
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The cane is a great ship in two ways. Artillery for instant damage, high alpha, gatecamping blobs where you want to ***** killmails. Or, soloboat where you have a pretty solid boat, dual repping with neuts/nos, high dps and good speed aswell as flexibility. You can slug it out at 2km versus a longrange boat, or you can barrage from out of web range.
However...
If you want a buffertank you're better off in a drake, 100k buffer and 5-600 dps is a feat done for the drake alone. The other advantage of the drake is that you get underestimated. Alot. It's just recently some have started realizing not all drakes are HML fitted passive mission drakes. The downside is it's slightly harder to pilot, it takes more skills, it is a bit more narrow. A frigate gang will kill you in your drake(say 2-3 rifters can take you out easily). You're not vulnerable to neuts per se with both capless tank and weapons but you're not the fastest boat around and the more utility you desire the weaker you get. Great if you know what you're doing, crap if you don't.
The Harbinger is a beast if you fit it up for gankage. Instant damage, great range, tons of dps and 5 medium drones. Downside is, it's vulnerable to neigh everything. Tracking disruptors will ruin your day. You're the most vulnerable boat to ECM around. Damps will ruin your day, neuts and you can't fire nor tank, you have severe fitting issues, either you run out if powergrid or mids. And yet, even though it gets all these vulnerabilities, it's awesome offense makes it sweet again.
I'd pick the cane for versatility. I'd pick the drake if you want to solo and don't have to cover what the rest of your gang is slacking. I'd pick the harbinger if you want to focus on being the best at one thing at a time, but still cover the other roles(that don't consist of just tank or gank) at all.
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Jared D'Uroth
Minmatar
Universal Peace Operation
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Posted - 2009.08.26 05:42:00 -
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Drake > Myrm > Harbi > Hurricane
Hurricane is fun, Hari or Drake is generally better.
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Like, surprise!!! I decided to go with EHP and DPS.
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Hippomenes
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Posted - 2009.08.26 05:44:00 -
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Am in the same boat as you skill/shipwise. Honestly, the harbinger is the best. slaved with an 800mm plate + 3 heatsink/heavy pulse its awesome, and shield buffered with locus/shield res rigs and max gank you can push well over 600 dps out past 30km. hurricane has style factor, drake is good but boring to fly, and the CS are just too expensive (and require expensive fitting to make worthwhile) to really be an every day ship, at least to me.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.08.26 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 26/08/2009 06:54:47
drake wins against the other BC unless you have hg slaves which would be a close match then. about CS I cant say anything cause I do not fly the isk eaters.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.26 06:53:00 -
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The Abos I tend to have problems fighitng in my Drake. My Drake kicss the Cane and Harb easy enough tho. Slepinir depends a lot on the fit the guy is using.
All in all I perfer Drake, simply for cost effectivness. Tho a proper Abso is a very hard nut to crack.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: slightly sillydude
Originally by: rubico1337
Edited by: rubico1337 on 25/08/2009 22:22:01
Originally by: Bronnwynn
Hurricane.
'nuff said.
i hhave never really understood why people think the cane is so good. tbh you can do everything better in a drake or even harbi
Shield tanked cane can fit 2 medium neuts and still do decent DPS.
Shield tanked Cane should not be in neut range :).
Tho if it do happen to be there I see the nicness.
But on another note, the same fit for a Harb gives you a lot of nice dps at 20 km, far outperformin the Cane imo.
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Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:35:00 -
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Having flown all tier 2 battlecruisers(more or less sucessfully),this is my take on the issue:
Harbinger: It's a pure gank boat. Lots of DPS, good range with Scorch and 5 Medium Drones. the problem is that any opponent worth anything will know this too, so expect to be among the first ships to go down in a battle. Also, the plated Harbinger(haven't really flown it with a shield buffer) is neither very fast nor agile.
Hurricane: I fit for speed on the Hurricane. You can easily get to the speed&agility of an average cruiser while mantaining BC level buffer and firepower, and still having 2 utility highs for gang mods or neuts. As an armor tanked battlecruiser, I feel the Harbinger and the Myrmidon are superior to it in almost every respect.
Drake: It's an interesting little ship. You can fit it with HML and get decent DPS at good 15km. The reason I don't fly it very often is the compromise that you always have to make between buffer and tackle. Just haven't found a setup that I like, but this doesn;t mean the Drake is not one of the best Battlecruisers. \
Myrmidon: IMHO if you are a battlecruiser pilot there is no reason not to train for this too(it takes 1-2 days at most). It tanks great,deals decent DPS and has the meds to fit mwd, cap injector and full tackle(point, scram, web). However, the main advantage of the Myrm is it's lack of gun damage bonus. Which means it works very well with whatever guns you have skills in. I fly it with Lasers since I'm mostly amarr specced, but one of my friends(that made me want to try this ship out)has had great success flying a myrm fitted with 220mm AC.
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2009 07:52:48
All of them (Tier 2 BCs) are good.
If you cannot decide between Hurricane and Harbringer, well, just consider what you want to do with it. If solo is more your thing, the Hurricane is a more versatile ship for solo, and also better suited at killing small stuff (hello 2x medium neutralizer II) and quicker to gtfo.
In gangs, the HPL Harbringer is a better ship imo, since your optimal extends to 23KM with superior damage and comparable buffer. Cheap rigging enabled some very interesting fitting options on it.
Drake and Myrmidon are preety good, too.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
The Avalon Foundation
The Drift.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 09:15:00 -
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sleipnir all the way if you can, bring a little gang link to your firends, excellent when romaing and pretty agile.
or a shield tanked harbinger for gunnery skills or drake for missile skills, the HAM buffer drake is pretty hard to ignore in terms of bang for buck.
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr
Imperial Syndicate Forces
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:14:00 -
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Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
- Emperor
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
With your standard fit? Ok, if you insist.
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr
Imperial Syndicate Forces
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
With your standard fit? Ok, if you insist.
You Don't know my Omg Pwn fit :D?
- Emperor
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VanNostrum
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
err..a single TD will render your Harby useless
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2009 11:34:08
Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
err..a single TD will render your Harby useless
Yeah, but Hurricanes have better things to do with the midslots tbh. I don't find duels where people refit specifically to counter any fun at all.
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr
Imperial Syndicate Forces
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
err..a single TD will render your Harby useless
I beg to differ Manual Flying Saves One most of the time
- Emperor
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Pippan
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:40:00 -
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The only bc that can own my harby is my own drake =\
My drake eats harbys and my harby eats drakes..
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2009 11:46:21
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
With your standard fit? Ok, if you insist.
You Don't know my Omg Pwn fit :D?
I'm sure you could enlighten me ;)
Oh, that on the KB. It's going to be interesting.
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VanNostrum
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
err..a single TD will render your Harby useless
I beg to differ Manual Flying Saves One most of the time
I doubt that would work vs a Vagacane
Vagacane is not as slow a brick as a plated pilgrim
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2009 11:56:58
Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
err..a single TD will render your Harby useless
I beg to differ Manual Flying Saves One most of the time
I doubt that would work vs a Vagacane
Vagacane is not as slow a brick as a plated pilgrim
It will shred a Vagacane. Just like the Vaga, the Vagacane is not for fighting BCs with some reach. You could always use a artycane with interdiction maneuvers and faction point if you wanted to be a ******* though.
Ofc, Vagacane with TDs is a different matter, but that's preety much a fit specifically made to murder turret BCs.
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VanNostrum
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
It will shred a Vagacane. Just like the Vaga, the Vagacane is not for fighting BCs with some reach. You could always use a artycane with interdiction maneuvers and faction point if you wanted to be a ******* though.
Ofc, Vagacane with TDs is a different matter, but that's preety much a fit specifically made to murder turret BCs.
No it wouldn't shred a Vagacane with a TD on it.
Of course a TD on Vagacane would be made to murder other turret BCs and it would be silly to engage a Drake with it, but even without a TD i wouldn't engage a Drake in a cane anyway.
A TDed harby with scorch will hardly hit a MWDing cane
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nautix
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Harby hands down, If anyone thinks a Cane can beat a Harby I invite you to Challenge me in Game and i'll Post the Obvious Results here (Harb always wins)
err..a single TD will render your Harby useless
I beg to differ Manual Flying Saves One most of the time
So if I post a solo Piglrim kill in a Thorax, does that mean my Thorhax is as wtfpwn fitted and is equal or better then the harb? :P
With lower but exual sp the harb will most likely win vs a cane and a myrm (haven't tried drake), at higher sp and a proper fit I think the cane has some pretty good chances (haven't tried the myrm yet)
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