Possibly yes, but that's introducing a NEW mechanic that also goes against the statement "eve is hard" if you can just pay2win.

So your saying if i could take a small fleet of ships fly into your SOV space and blow up your moo goo factories and fly out safely and you couldnt do anything about it because of game mechanics you should just shut the **** up and deal with it?.

So your saying if i could take a small fleet of ships fly into your SOV space and blow up your moo goo factories and fly out safely and you couldnt do anything about it because of game mechanics you should just shut the **** up and deal with it? I bet there would be a shitstorm of tears from nullbears if suddenly all their toys got blown up.

Only animals adapt to environment, whereas humans strive to adapt the environment to themselves by any means.

My point would be that somehow in the game mechanics they really couldn't.

Perhaps one could say that the hi sec dwellers are looking to get the most tears from those that claim they are hardcore?

But most of the ganker types aren't doing it for the tears as they all have clearly stated....

Eve is harsh, and people keep looking for the best way to get the most tears from another person. If the hi sec dwellers do what the big guys are saying and somehow take up arms, its givnig the big guys what they want and no tears will be shed.

Perhaps one could say that the hi sec dwellers are looking to get the most tears from those that claim they are hardcore?

But most of the ganker types aren't doing it for the tears as they all have clearly stated....

Eve is harsh, and people keep looking for the best way to get the most tears from another person. If the hi sec dwellers do what the big guys are saying and somehow take up arms, its givnig the big guys what they want and no tears will be shed.

Im not trying to be tough, im in a corporation called howling Stones Mining hardly a hardman image is it?

An interesting take on things, perhaps then all this forum whining is just another aspect of eve warfare, I like the thought but I doubt it to be honest.

Exactly
People once again are trying to dictate what a person does in game.
It is never going to happen.

In the end even though ganking doesn't need to be nerfed that is what is going to happen.
Eventually CCP is going to be forced to do something and past history shows us when a mechanic is used to much it gets nerfed.

Gankers are just shooting themselves in the foot.

The truer EVE motto: play my way or go away!

EvE has sandbox elements but is not a sandbox.
If EvE was a true sandbox, this ganking miners in highsec would not be an issue at all because Miners could equip hulks with guns and pretend to mine until a ganker showed up. Then Said Hulk would ambush the ganker and gankers would have to worry about something for once.

So, OP is trying to say that anyone who gets ganked in hisec should biomass and start ganking character.

Where's sandbox element in this game if there's only one thing you're allowed to do? Sounds more like theme park MMO or Elder Scrolls game to me.

Possibly yes, but that's introducing a NEW mechanic that also goes against the statement "eve is hard" if you can just pay2win.

suicide ganking is nothing new, the only thing that has changed is the number of players who feel that CCP should protect them from pvp

I didnt mean to say that people shouldn't complain about game mechanics of eve, but eves style of pvp is arguably a founding aspect and it is what sets it apart from other games.

FACEPALM, another one of these who believe that humans belong to a higher order and are not animals...and about only humans adapt their environment please see for example: ants, corals, birds.

Biota
Eukarya
Animalia
Chordata
Mammalia - yay we belong to the same clade as dolphins :)
Primates - you know, just because we have been the first (prime) chapter in Linne's classification
Hominidae
Homo sapiens - thats us.

P.s. sorry for not posting on the topic :)

"Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical."

seems like a strawman to me, feel free to prove me wrong though I am keenly waiting for you to post somthing useful.

And this thread seems like a debate to me, lots of people disagreeing/argreeing.

If these so called "Big guys" want PvP then why are they ganking unarmed ships? Oh right they do not want PVP they want to pad the kill board, end of story.

Ganking a unarmed ship is not PVP, not even close.

EvE is a ganking and griefing game, not a pvp game. Sure there are so PvP players but mostly fake PvP players that will never engage in a fair fight ever.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
(Col. David Hackworth)

Suicide ganking in high sec in a nutshell

1. Risk free first strike capability 100% of the time for the ganker

2. Ganker gets to choose the target and his weapon of which the smaller a ship is the less risk involved while still being able to kill it's enemy.

3. The miner is forced to trade protection for mining capability with dimishing returns on mining M3 while only getting marginal decreases in risk unless they trade out for a Battleship.


The ganker gets to attack and kill their enemy while their buddy collects the loot. RIsk free since the ganker will always respawn as there is no permadeath.

The miner takes all the risk as they risk both expensive ships and all the work they put into mining for the mostly pathetic return you get in high sec.


Sounds like miner ganking is the ultimate carebear activity to me. Completely risk free and the ganker knows and 100% controls exactly what he can lose without sacrificing his ability to kill his target.



Lets balance the risk equation.

CCP's next patch
High Sec Ganking
- Effective immediately Concord has declared an intent to crack down on criminals in high sec. In an efforts to do so Concord has fitted all cloning facilities with and electronic tagging system to identify and biomass any clone killed in high sec with a -7 sec rating or below.


Now those big bad miner killers have something to risk. No so eager to go out and pod kill newbies in high sec are you?


I demand you HTFU and request that CCP make permadeath a reality for criminals killed in High Sec. Then you can all fight each other in Low and Null sec and never have to see another carebear again unless you want to risk permadeath for the reward of killing a miner.

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No YOU are saying that, please dont put words in my mouth and its not true, also the quit & gimmie your stuff is a joke thats old as hell, christ thought everyone would see that.

HTFU .. I didn't know what this means so I made a search. Was a huge surprise to see this clip Permaband - HTFU on the first page of results ...

This is an official ccp clip.. not sure to laugh or cry :| Maybe I'm wrong, but the guys in the clip are making their living on our wallet.

There are ways round hulkageddon