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Steeldrake
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:13:00 -
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I heard many people saying that 6X800mm are a good choice for Tempest projectile setup, so yesterday I tested them in L3 missions. I used 2 tracking cpu (one t2 and one named) tacking my tracking speed/accuracy up to about 0.057. In the low slot I used a named gyro (10.7% damage and 9.5 rate of fire bonuses, if I remember well).
By using proton ammo I had trouble to take down an Archangel Centurion (cruiser class), because I missed him so often and I did a quite poor DOT. To finish him I had to use one torpedo...
I tried attacking from 25km, from 10km and even closer without real good results. I still do far better with 4X 1400 wasting much less ammo and without need of tanking at all (at least in L3 missions).
So, I'm pretty sure that 800mm are good (because so many of you said that they are usefull also in PVP), so I'm missing what I'm doing wrong. Ammo? Modules? Skillz?
Thx in advance :)
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Steeldrake
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:13:00 -
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I heard many people saying that 6X800mm are a good choice for Tempest projectile setup, so yesterday I tested them in L3 missions. I used 2 tracking cpu (one t2 and one named) tacking my tracking speed/accuracy up to about 0.057. In the low slot I used a named gyro (10.7% damage and 9.5 rate of fire bonuses, if I remember well).
By using proton ammo I had trouble to take down an Archangel Centurion (cruiser class), because I missed him so often and I did a quite poor DOT. To finish him I had to use one torpedo...
I tried attacking from 25km, from 10km and even closer without real good results. I still do far better with 4X 1400 wasting much less ammo and without need of tanking at all (at least in L3 missions).
So, I'm pretty sure that 800mm are good (because so many of you said that they are usefull also in PVP), so I'm missing what I'm doing wrong. Ammo? Modules? Skillz?
Thx in advance :)
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Katsumoto
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:24:00 -
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Yeah i did the exact same as you a couple of days ago and got the exact same problem, where i could take the rats in a couple of seconds with a geddon or apoc it took me ages trying to take a cruiser rat down with 800mm in a tempest. Took me ages trying to find the best range on the gun but still i had to finish it of with cruise missles.
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Katsumoto
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:24:00 -
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Yeah i did the exact same as you a couple of days ago and got the exact same problem, where i could take the rats in a couple of seconds with a geddon or apoc it took me ages trying to take a cruiser rat down with 800mm in a tempest. Took me ages trying to find the best range on the gun but still i had to finish it of with cruise missles.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:41:00 -
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Try em at 30km and sit still or minimise tranversal velocity OR try em at 10km and web your target.
Anyway, when sayingt a 6x800 setup can really hurt most people meant it can really hurt a BS, where a big part of the difference lies.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:41:00 -
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Try em at 30km and sit still or minimise tranversal velocity OR try em at 10km and web your target.
Anyway, when sayingt a 6x800 setup can really hurt most people meant it can really hurt a BS, where a big part of the difference lies.
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Loka on 15/10/2004 09:47:34
 Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
... OR try em at 10km and web your target.
Bingo, this guy deserves a cookie. Guys 800mm are closecombat. Try a webber and look at the results. Have you ever tried the all mighty BLASTERTHRON without a Webber? Same result. Only Amarrians and Caldarians dont need a Webber for their closecombat setups. Everyone else does!!!!!!!!!
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Loka on 15/10/2004 09:47:34
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
... OR try em at 10km and web your target.
Bingo, this guy deserves a cookie. Guys 800mm are closecombat. Try a webber and look at the results. Have you ever tried the all mighty BLASTERTHRON without a Webber? Same result. Only Amarrians and Caldarians dont need a Webber for their closecombat setups. Everyone else does!!!!!!!!!
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Steeldrake
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Loka
Edited by: Loka on 15/10/2004 09:47:34
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
... OR try em at 10km and web your target.
Bingo, this guy deserves a cookie. Guys 800mm are closecombat. Try a webber and look at the results. Have you ever tried the all mighty BLASTERTHRON without a Webber? Same result. Only Amarrians and Caldarians dont need a Webber for their closecombat setups. Everyone else does!!!!!!!!!
Uhm, so I've just to add a webber instead of one of the tracking computer.
Thx 
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Steeldrake
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Posted - 2004.10.15 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Loka
Edited by: Loka on 15/10/2004 09:47:34
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
... OR try em at 10km and web your target.
Bingo, this guy deserves a cookie. Guys 800mm are closecombat. Try a webber and look at the results. Have you ever tried the all mighty BLASTERTHRON without a Webber? Same result. Only Amarrians and Caldarians dont need a Webber for their closecombat setups. Everyone else does!!!!!!!!!
Uhm, so I've just to add a webber instead of one of the tracking computer.
Thx
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2004.10.15 11:01:00 -
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you dont need the tracking computers with a web, but to get close you need mwd. And dont use proton ammo, use EMP. For BS's you go to optimal or just a notch above it (3-4km), dont orbit. For cruisers you stay just beneath webbing range.
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2004.10.15 11:01:00 -
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you dont need the tracking computers with a web, but to get close you need mwd. And dont use proton ammo, use EMP. For BS's you go to optimal or just a notch above it (3-4km), dont orbit. For cruisers you stay just beneath webbing range.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.10.15 11:13:00 -
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ermm, the best way to use 800mm's are to get within 10k, web your target and fire from around 5-9k. Without the web there kinda useless against npcs like most other projectiles.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.10.15 11:13:00 -
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ermm, the best way to use 800mm's are to get within 10k, web your target and fire from around 5-9k. Without the web there kinda useless against npcs like most other projectiles.
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CHuskarl
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Posted - 2004.10.15 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Golgrath
you dont need the tracking computers with a web, but to get close you need mwd. And dont use proton ammo, use EMP. For BS's you go to optimal or just a notch above it (3-4km), dont orbit. For cruisers you stay just beneath webbing range.
y, what he said
use emp not proton, use keep distance not orbit
I only use 1 tracking compute on my tempest and it works fine
2004.10.09 02:38:01combatYour 800mm Repeating Artillery I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 277.2 damage. |
CHuskarl
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Posted - 2004.10.15 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Golgrath
you dont need the tracking computers with a web, but to get close you need mwd. And dont use proton ammo, use EMP. For BS's you go to optimal or just a notch above it (3-4km), dont orbit. For cruisers you stay just beneath webbing range.
y, what he said
use emp not proton, use keep distance not orbit
I only use 1 tracking compute on my tempest and it works fine
2004.10.09 02:38:01combatYour 800mm Repeating Artillery I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 277.2 damage. |
Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2004.10.15 16:13:00 -
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EMP ammo is going to suck against an armor tanker. Use the appropriate ammo for the situation. If you know their weakness, insert the ammo to exploit it.
Not all guns can make that change, and its one advantage projectiles should be sure to use.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2004.10.15 16:13:00 -
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EMP ammo is going to suck against an armor tanker. Use the appropriate ammo for the situation. If you know their weakness, insert the ammo to exploit it.
Not all guns can make that change, and its one advantage projectiles should be sure to use.
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.10.15 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Imhotep Khem
EMP ammo is going to suck against an armor tanker. Use the appropriate ammo for the situation. If you know their weakness, insert the ammo to exploit it.
Not all guns can make that change, and its one advantage projectiles should be sure to use.
Yes. Although emp is alright against some armor tankers especially if exp/kin/ther are hardened anyway. If having troubles aginst armor Fusion ammo is your friend..
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.10.15 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Imhotep Khem
EMP ammo is going to suck against an armor tanker. Use the appropriate ammo for the situation. If you know their weakness, insert the ammo to exploit it.
Not all guns can make that change, and its one advantage projectiles should be sure to use.
Yes. Although emp is alright against some armor tankers especially if exp/kin/ther are hardened anyway. If having troubles aginst armor Fusion ammo is your friend..
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.10.15 18:35:00 -
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They still suck. They were once good guns but I still rather use medium hybrid blasteres than these guns. 6 x named medium sized neutrons + 2 Siege Lauchers + Quad Lif, 90% web, 3 x t2 cap chargers, 1 Large Accomodation, 1 medium t2, 3 Hardners and 1 cap relay I think is a better setup considering that those neutrons can do BS massive hurt and noone would ever suspect major kinetic damage from a close range Tempest.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.10.15 18:35:00 -
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They still suck. They were once good guns but I still rather use medium hybrid blasteres than these guns. 6 x named medium sized neutrons + 2 Siege Lauchers + Quad Lif, 90% web, 3 x t2 cap chargers, 1 Large Accomodation, 1 medium t2, 3 Hardners and 1 cap relay I think is a better setup considering that those neutrons can do BS massive hurt and noone would ever suspect major kinetic damage from a close range Tempest.
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.10.15 19:07:00 -
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I like d650's just a bit better as they free up your pgrid to fit all sorts of neat stuff. You can mix and match a bit til your pgrid is used optimally.
They're cheaper too.
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.10.15 19:07:00 -
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I like d650's just a bit better as they free up your pgrid to fit all sorts of neat stuff. You can mix and match a bit til your pgrid is used optimally.
They're cheaper too.
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Moridan
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Posted - 2004.10.15 20:58:00 -
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I think what the 800 lacks is range. The optimal is really too low. Its hardly any longer than a dual 425. With its tracking, similar to large pulses, it misses a lot that close due to the odd math in EVEs tracking. Thats why everyone needs webbers because when you'r in close, the targets radial velocity is high if they move much at all, or if you are orbiting.
Also the 800 is really an autocannon. I can't see a large artillery being lower ranged than its smaller counterpart. Do the advanced mastery skills for autocannons work on it?
Maybe a 10-15k optimal would help.
Anyways just rambling here. I'm tired of seeing my dual heavy pulses decimate everything at twice the rate of the 800s.
"Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Moridan
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Posted - 2004.10.15 20:58:00 -
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I think what the 800 lacks is range. The optimal is really too low. Its hardly any longer than a dual 425. With its tracking, similar to large pulses, it misses a lot that close due to the odd math in EVEs tracking. Thats why everyone needs webbers because when you'r in close, the targets radial velocity is high if they move much at all, or if you are orbiting.
Also the 800 is really an autocannon. I can't see a large artillery being lower ranged than its smaller counterpart. Do the advanced mastery skills for autocannons work on it?
Maybe a 10-15k optimal would help.
Anyways just rambling here. I'm tired of seeing my dual heavy pulses decimate everything at twice the rate of the 800s.
"Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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Outcastino
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Posted - 2004.10.16 01:00:00 -
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Whats the **** with EMP sucking on armor?
EMP ownz all.
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Outcastino
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Posted - 2004.10.16 01:00:00 -
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Whats the **** with EMP sucking on armor?
EMP ownz all.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.10.16 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Outcastino
Whats the **** with EMP sucking on armor?
EMP ownz all.
Every try it on a 12/1400mm after the last major patch. Its horrible.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.10.16 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Outcastino
Whats the **** with EMP sucking on armor?
EMP ownz all.
Every try it on a 12/1400mm after the last major patch. Its horrible.
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