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MyBankingAlt
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Posted - 2009.08.27 05:52:00 -
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Ok, obviously IÆm using an alt to make this post; in fact I donÆt intend to use any names. But first let me say I am proud to be part of the Caldari militia. After playing this game for years and playing it with many different approaches, I have yet to find a group of individuals as zealous about eve as the squids despite whatever outside opinions may exist. And yes, I have spent time in 0.0.
With over 5000 characters enlisted of course not all of them are active, some are alts and some likely just never participate but regardless of that there are a lot of players from different cultures, backgrounds and with different personalities interacting within the Caldari militia.
Despite that, virtually everyone gets along! At least to the extent that conversation can remain civil and any disputes that arise are minor and can be worked through or let go. WITH ONE EXCEPTION!
There is one particular individual that is constantly rude, disruptive and causes everyone (or nearly everyone) else strife. He is so opinionated and arrogant that should one have a setup he doesnÆt like, he will insult that person for an hour or more on end, clogging up militia chat making it difficult for people to give/receive intel.
WhatÆs worse is he has a way of bringing out the worst in others, pushing their buttons until militia chat becomes something so ugly I minimize it altogether. He causes turmoil any time he is on and it seems no conversation can go without his opinion being injected.
He has even blown up at least one fellow militia members ship, without compensating the victim (or apologizing afaik). The corp he is a part of seems to be full of quality pvpÆers and decent enough guys, but they seem unwilling to do anything about his behavior.
So I wonder what recourse is there then? Would it be possible (provided there were enough complaints) to get CCP to remove/ban him from the militia? Would it be possible for enough of us to gather together and shun/block him until he leaves?
Anyone else have any ideaÆs on how to deal with such a difficult individual? I would prefer to keep it civil and certainly any action taken needs to be within ccpÆs rules but this person is intolerable and I know IÆm not the only one that feels this way.
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Ran Khanon
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Posted - 2009.08.27 06:04:00 -
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This is obviously a Gallente spy, specialized in P-war and it is your noble task to go out and prove it.
Also, there is the block option, where right clicking on someones name allows one to gag that person to oneself.
Alternatively, there is the "shrugging" approach, where you, as the annoyed party, can try to vigorously shake your shoulders up and down while breathing deeply to relieve yourself of all built up frustration. Try it.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.27 06:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 27/08/2009 06:52:26
Right-click, lock target, hit F1-F8. Problem solved.
And no, CCP will not do your job for you and remove him. Either deal with it yourself, or go whine to your fellow militia carebears about it (preferably somewhere that the rest of us don't have to listen).
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MyBankingAlt
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Posted - 2009.08.27 06:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Ran Khanon
This is obviously a Gallente spy, specialized in P-war and it is your noble task to go out and prove it.
Also, there is the block option, where right clicking on someones name allows one to gag that person to oneself.
Alternatively, there is the "shrugging" approach, where you, as the annoyed party, can try to vigorously shake your shoulders up and down while breathing deeply to relieve yourself of all built up frustration. Try it.
I'm pretty sure you were just joking, but although he certainly has a lot of bad traits I do not think this person is a spy. That being said I still don't trust him not to turn against his allies on a whim. I've been doing the shrugging approach for sometime (even pulled a few muscles doing it) And my concerns are not only for myself but the militia in general, if we all block him that could probably work but because he breeds such a negative attitude just blocking him myself would do little, if any, good.
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Rouge Drone
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Posted - 2009.08.27 08:11:00 -
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What's the matter with kids these days? The correct response to any situation that arises in eve is a quick podding.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.08.27 08:16:00 -
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I agree with the posters above- if you pod the guy repeatedly he will eventually realize how much hes loved.
Yet another problem solved with violence! Every question in this game can be answered in two ways-
1/ right click
2/ pod them
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.08.27 09:25:00 -
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Petition him for harassment if he continues to harass you.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.08.27 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: MyBankingAlt
Ok, obviously IÆm using an alt to make this post;
Obviously not a man enough to post with your main.
Quote:
There is one particular individual that is constantly rude, disruptive and causes everyone (or nearly everyone) else strife. He is so opinionated and arrogant that should one have a setup he doesnÆt like, he will insult that person for an hour or more on end, clogging up militia chat making it difficult for people to give/receive intel.
WhatÆs worse is he has a way of bringing out the worst in others, pushing their buttons until militia chat becomes something so ugly I minimize it altogether. He causes turmoil any time he is on and it seems no conversation can go without his opinion being injected.
He has even blown up at least one fellow militia members ship, without compensating the victim (or apologizing afaik). The corp he is a part of seems to be full of quality pvpÆers and decent enough guys, but they seem unwilling to do anything about his behavior.
So I wonder what recourse is there then? Would it be possible (provided there were enough complaints) to get CCP to remove/ban him from the militia? Would it be possible for enough of us to gather together and shun/block him until he leaves?
Anyone else have any ideaÆs on how to deal with such a difficult individual? I would prefer to keep it civil and certainly any action taken needs to be within ccpÆs rules but this person is intolerable and I know IÆm not the only one that feels this way.
The recourse is to man up and wardec his corp till they fire him or leave militia. Whining to CCP just make you look like a baby going to mommy.
The only way for a militia to self police itself is to wardec offenders.
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Nidhiesk
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Posted - 2009.08.27 12:40:00 -
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Just for information (taken from the wiki): Quote:
Shooting your own FW militia member/container/wreck will result in a security status hit, CONCORD aggression-flagging in high-security space, and a standing hit with your own faction.
so shooting or podding him if he's in FW...is not a good idea. but nothing holds him from podding him with a character outside FW..if I get his story right
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.27 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: MyBankingAlt
Ok, obviously IÆm using an alt to make this post; in fact I donÆt intend to use any names. But first let me say I am proud to be part of the Caldari militia.
Contradiction spotted off the port bow captain.
How about a little name and shame ???
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Jin Gle
Asgardreia
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Posted - 2009.08.27 13:29:00 -
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SquidMil sounds pretty terrible
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Kilette Dark
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Posted - 2009.08.27 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kilette Dark on 27/08/2009 14:31:35
Maybe he IS right.
Maybe he needs to spend an hour going on about a fitting being ****, cos it is ****, and the other pilot is refusing to see it.
Maybe his fellow corp members are quality PVPers cos HE TAUGHT them to be so, and maybe the reason they seem unwilling to do anything about his behavior, is because they know he IS always right, and he will make players better PVPers if they listen to him
Albert Einstein:
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.
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Lightningshade
Caldari
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kilette Dark
Edited by: Kilette Dark on 27/08/2009 14:31:35
Maybe he IS right.
Maybe he needs to spend an hour going on about a fitting being ****, cos it is ****, and the other pilot is refusing to see it.
Maybe his fellow corp members are quality PVPers cos HE TAUGHT them to be so, and maybe the reason they seem unwilling to do anything about his behavior, is because they know he IS always right, and he will make players better PVPers if they listen to him
Albert Einstein:
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.
maybe he's still a peen, right or not that needs to be taken to the back of the barn and shot (in game)
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Zen Guerrilla
Minmatar
Mindfunk
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:15:00 -
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We have a guy like that in the Minnie militia. He can be a real pain in the ass, he keeps wardeccing corps, people, attacks whoever he can and just generally likes to screw with ****ty game mechanics. Not to forget milita chat spam.
I just put people like that on ignore. Problem solved. Usually it's just attention *****s and once they won't get that attention they get bored and troll elsewhere.
In the end, nothing stops you from just wardeccing the guy if ignore isn't enough for you. CCP got nothing to do with it. (Apart from the ****ty game mechanics, but we gotta live with those  )
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Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:32:00 -
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Psyflame? 
FRANK??? 
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council
Seposita Astrum
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:02:00 -
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Dude, just block him . . . . .
Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
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MaxxOmega
Caldari
Rukongai
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.08.27 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kilette Dark
Maybe he IS right.
Maybe he needs to spend an hour going on about a fitting being ****, cos it is ****, and the other pilot is refusing to see it.
Maybe his fellow corp members are quality PVPers cos HE TAUGHT them to be so, and maybe the reason they seem unwilling to do anything about his behavior, is because they know he IS always right, and he will make players better PVPers if they listen to him
And then again maybe he is just a festering steaming pile of ****...
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Suukovesta
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Posted - 2009.08.27 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kilette Dark
Albert Einstein:
Great spirits have always found violent opposition ...
But not every spirit that found violent opposition is that great.
If the person in question is Psyflame, I'd not mess with him when using your main. He has various alts, friends and minions within militia and will use them all to psych out any opponent or critic. He'll accuse you of being a spy or things that you never did and will confirm this accusation with his alts and footmen. You will be lambasted by people that you didn't know before and kicked from fleets. Neutrals will attack you in chat because they will see a good opportunity to gain his benevolence, by attacking his opponents.
You can't fight someone who is that well connected. Just accept his supremacy and never question his words or authority as a militia CEO. Just obey and kiss his ass, like the rest of the militia, or leave.
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Kaethe Kollwitz
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Posted - 2009.08.27 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
Psyflame?
+1
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.27 23:10:00 -
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Alternatively, Get all those guys who support you in a chat channel with the offenders CEO of corp and present your arguments there for the CEO to have a word with his corpie and bring him into line.
+++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
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Psyflame
Overview Glitch
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Posted - 2009.08.28 02:09:00 -
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Dude I know exactly who you are talking about! That guy is a total jerk! Let's call him Mr X so we don't hurt any feelings.
Once he told me to switch my dps hawk and fly a blackbird or interceptor! That's ridiculous!
He is always bossing militia people around. He tells them to train for interceptors--but we just want to use sniper drakes! I think if you ask really nicely, the other guy won't warp away.  It's kind of an honour-point system.
He tells us to use stupid ships like basilisks, and he tells us that we should fit shield extenders on our pvp ships instead of shield rechargers. And oh man maaaannn. He told me to fit ballistic control units on my DRAKE. How am I going to tank the enemy fire if I don't have shield power relays?!? What a bully!
But then there is the ship fittings. Oh man this guy is unbearable!
He told this one guy to take the armor rep off his raven. That guy told him off and he was completely right! Mr X was being a JERK policing other people's ship fittings.
Sadly the raven still died though:
http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=78276
Then there was another time I remember Mr X was being SUPER MEAN.
He told this one prophecy pilot to change his fit or leave fleet. Mr X was FC, but honestly he had no right to make threats that extreme.
Without the support of the fleet, the poor prophecy pilot died in tama, I still blame Mr X to this day:
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3839754
There are some other times I remember Mr X being super rude about ship fittings. There was a really cool guy in a rokh with an officer armor repairer (super cool!!) and some officer cruise missile launchers. He was sniping with it and it was awesome
Mr X was sooooo rude in militia chat. He called him names when the rokh died, and we really did not approve.
Then there was this other time where we think Mr X was SO mean he made someone LEAVE the militia. There was this picture going around:
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2927/udan.png
and Mr X had the nerve to insult the guy!! I mean, lots of people in militia are alts, so what; this guy was just playing the game how he wanted!!
In short, I think Mr X should be kicked out of the militia because he is obviously too mean to the WoW players. 
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.08.28 04:14:00 -
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lol, I think I like this Mr X guy..
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:11:00 -
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Can't be Psyflame as the OP said 'Mr. X' was a decent pvper.
Lol at the Udan app tho, never saw that one before. Shoulda warped him to a pos tbh.
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:44:00 -
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Mr. X for president
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Suukovesta
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Posted - 2009.08.28 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Psyflame
I'm so awesome because I caught some newbs with bad fittings. ... crap ...
And oh man maaaannn. He told me to fit ballistic control units on my DRAKE. ... tl;dr
You try to be funny, but you aren't.
Everyone in militia knows how important ballistic controls, magnetic field stabilizers or heat sinks are. Except you:
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3822162
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3768454
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3822160
Why don't you practise what you preach ?
In fleets you are the first one to chicken out when the going gets tough. You never risk anything and leave your fleet members behind in difficult situations, in order to have an awesome kill-death rate on the killboard. I prefer to fly with a newb that has bad fittings but actually fights when required, instead of a coward with the right fitting, who isn't there when you need him.
Militia is about fun pvp, you didn't pay a single isk for someones ship so it's none of your business what they fly. In a tight fight you'll abscond anyways. Do us a favour and join a 0.0 alliance if you are so elite. Oh wait, you already tried but was kicked out due bad behaviour.
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Psyflame
Overview Glitch
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Psyflame on 28/08/2009 07:25:11
Originally by: Suukovesta
Edited by: Suukovesta on 28/08/2009 06:34:10
You try to be funny, but you aren't.
What?
This thread is about that mean guy Mr X. Who are you and why are you mad at me? I'm just agreeing with OP that Mr X is mean.
Originally by: Suukovesta
Everyone in militia knows how important ballistic controls, magnetic field stabilizers or heat sinks are. Except you:
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3822162
Why don't you practise what you preach ?
Do ho ho ho. Chill out bro, your rage is showing.
BYDI has said on multiple occasions that "psyflame will always be primary, no matter what." This has been confirmed by several current and former BYDI members.
If I am going to be primary, I will fit loltanked battleships and let them waste their dps on me.
Your post is proof enough to me that it works.
Interesting that none of my other armageddons are fit like that, only ships used against BYDI:
1) http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=89835
2) http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=130699
3) http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=104954
4) http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=102012
5) http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=95621
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Suukovesta
You try to be funny, but you aren't.
Everyone in militia knows how important ballistic controls, magnetic field stabilizers or heat sinks are. Except you:
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3822162
Why don't you practise what you preach ?
In fleets you are the first one to chicken out when the going gets tough. You never risk anything and leave your fleet members behind in difficult situations, in order to have an awesome kill-death rate on the killboard. I prefer to fly with a newb that has bad fittings but actually fights when required, instead of a coward with the right fitting, who isn't there when you need him.
Militia is about fun pvp, you didn't pay a single isk for someones ship so it's none of your business what they fly. In a tight fight you'll abscond anyways. Do us a favour and join a 0.0 alliance if you are so elite. Oh wait, you already tried but was kicked out due bad behaviour.
First and foremost, thats what we call a buffer tank. Therefore the damage mods come second. Duh hoi.
FCs have every right to ask members of their fleet to get certain ships with certain fits. While I usually do not scan peoples set ups, what I have seen lately may make me start doing it again. As an FC you are in charge of a fleet, its your fight to win or lose because no one is going to remember the specific people in the fight, but they sure as hell will remember the FC.
Mr. X rocks the boat when he tells people that fitting 5 salvagers on a Caracal is not going to get them in a fleet. Much of what he says is common sense. He has PVP'd more than the majority of the Militia and knows more than most. If he was completely wrong, you would see other veteran pvpers telling him so, which generally doesn't happen.
You feed the flames of this drama when you make posts like this, or accuse him of doing one thing or another in Fleets, simply because you KNOW he doesn't like you. The biggest annoyance is the fact people bring this drama into fleet chats. No proof, just pure speculation and arguements. If he tells you your set up is wrong and suggests something else, don't blow up and argue it in militia, ask another veteran pvper if hes right. End of story.
Grow up folks.
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Psyflame
Overview Glitch
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Psyflame on 28/08/2009 07:34:53
Originally by: Suukovesta
Militia is about fun pvp, you didn't pay a single isk for someones ship so it's none of your business what they fly. In a tight fight you'll abscond anyways.
I agree completely!
Mr X was telling this guy
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3839754
to change his ship fitting or he couldn't fly in a MILITIA fleet. I don't care if Mr X was FC, it is ridiculous to tell a person in Caldari militia that they can't fly in a militia fleet just because of their fit! Mr X didn't pay for that ship! Why is it his business what people fly in a fleet!
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 28/08/2009 07:38:46
Originally by: Corewin
First and foremost, thats what we call a buffer tank. Therefore the damage mods come second. Duh hoi.
No, it's called a bad setup. Even ignoring the lack of T2 guns, that's a hilariously bad Armageddon setup, and completely useless for anything other than generating comedy killmails. The Armageddon is a gank ship, so fit it like one.
OTOH, it's marginally better than many of the other militia comedy killmails, so as they say, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
As for the rest of the thread, it's just another example of why the militia sucks. Fortunately there is an easy solution:
1) Put alts in the Gallente militia.
2) Invite the alts to your gang.
3) Warp to the annoying pest and kill him, including his pod.
4) Repeat until he quits the game and goes back to WoW.
Problem solved.
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Corewin on 28/08/2009 07:45:17
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 28/08/2009 07:38:46
Originally by: Corewin
First and foremost, thats what we call a buffer tank. Therefore the damage mods come second. Duh hoi.
No, it's called a bad setup. Even ignoring the lack of T2 guns, that's a hilariously bad Armageddon setup, and completely useless for anything other than generating comedy killmails. The Armageddon is a gank ship, so fit it like one.
Obvious Bait Geddon is Obvious
EDIT: Ok I'll detail this. Why on earth would someone put T2 weapons on a ship that is damn near guarunteed to die before being able to do any damage of worth. It can still do damage sure, but atleast he wouldn't be losing a significant amount of isk in the event it is used as bait and dies.
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