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Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.27 21:35:00 - [1] Edited by: Invelious on 27/08/2009 21:36:15 Originally by: Kazzzi Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Originally by: Xennith OK, prove us wrong. Set U'K blue. Go ahead and set us to blue and never engage us then See I can do that also . . . Don't you have a past account to be writing? Great Idea! Hey CVA, we're negotiating a mutual NAP with Eternum here, you ok with that? You ok with letting them dock in Provi after we finalize the agreement? No? Oh they need to follow your red/blue list to live there? Roger that. Well according to Solusars list there just above you nothing indicates that someone cant have a NAP with a red. So its seems that it would be ok so long as the NAP party follows the guidlines for living in Prov.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Invelious on 27/08/2009 22:14:15 Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Eternum Praetorian You sir are assuming piracy . . . No you sir are assuming idiocy. Try to maintain a blue standing with someone on the red list of CVA and see how long you continue to be welcome in Providence by your new masters. Frankly the forums are littered with examples of cases where people have gained red status from the CVA & holders list for nothing more than being friends with someone CVA have set red previous who may in turn have only been set red for the same reason. What a lovely little snowball it makes for them. You can make all the retorts you like. We have seen it. We have heard it. We have examined it. We have evidence from CVA holders that this occurs. Heartstone. Please provide this evidence Heartstone, because many of us on friendly terms with people in the amarr militia that are set red to CVA, have not suffered from red status from CVA. i.e, being on NAP terms with AB-C(may not be red anymore), & slackers, there are a few more but you get my point.(mind you, when they leave the militia, they are set red again so long as they are on the CVA list, except for AB-C, i will never set BC's corp red.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.27 23:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Merdaneth Your comment was not something to start an open and honest debate with, it was a snipe. Those who sow the wind will reap the whirlwind. As I said already I'm done Merd. The rest of the cluster can think what it likes without me even trying to put any viewpoint across anymore. I simply don't care any more. Heartstone. One SF spin doctor down, chalk one up for the good guys, now time to shut down Cosmo and Jadder and the IGS can be finally purged of the cr@p that is Star Fraction.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.28 13:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Tecam Hund One of the most discouraging things if you are a part of free space movement is that majority of pilots in fact do not want free space. They want to be a part of a herd. Welcome to the herd, Retribution. Inc.. I am not going to go into what CVA demands and what it doesn't, but let me just say that an official, even if merely a guideline, list of friendlies and hostiles implies conformity to the views of majority. CVA might do nothing if you decide to NAP an organization set KOS on a CVA wha****called list, but the rest of the herd will not look kindly upon you when you don't engage someone they see as hostile. That is the accepted behavior among the herd pilots all over the cluster it seems. If you are not one of us, you are against us. And if we were all free space pilots then we would just be part of the free space herd, whats absolutly amusing is that here we have a group of rejects(SF) fighting for a "free space movement" and out of all of the power blocks in eve that hold on to their space with a iron grip, SF has opted to oppose CVA the most. CVA being one of those alliances thats closer to a "free space" movement than any other by allowing anyone into their space freely, so long as they can obey a few simple rules.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.28 15:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Neu Bastian Edited by: Neu Bastian on 28/08/2009 14:09:53 Originally by: Invelious CVA being one of those alliances thats closer to a "free space" movement than any other by allowing anyone into their space freely, so long as they can obey a few simple rules. Are you actually trying to portray CVA space, owned by a self proclaimed slaver organization, "free space?" What other meaningful insights are you able to provide? well yes I am, as it is free to the general public to go in and exploit the resources(moon mining as the exception) for themselves without harm for those that govern it
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.28 15:21:00 - [6] Cosmo, you are one tough spin doc to crack, respect.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.28 15:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Xennith So its free, unless they decide to enslave you and if they do, well, obviously that doesnt count. The reasoning escapes me. Sorry, but I dont recall CVA enslaving anyone. can you provide a example?
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.28 16:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Xennith Erm... sure. Go into any CVA station and look on the manufacturing lines, see the guys addicted to vitoc? Those are slaves. You're welcome. Oh I thought you meant pod pilots, because that is who we are talking about here.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.28 23:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Suitonia I am a busy women and do not have much time to search through the archives of this summit. I think this is one of the cases that Heartstone is talking about. Linkage An industrial corp gets set red because of their friendly relationship with Brotherhood of Starbridge. (Ex-members that left the alliance before it was declared KOS). A NAP(None Aggression Pact) and assisting a hostile enemy are 2 completely different things. The moment [COLOG] started working closely with a red they werent really neutral anymore now were they. Simply aggreeing not to attack a red doesnt warrent being set red yourself, helping them is a whole other story and is justification to remove neut status. So unfortunatly this does not cover what hearty was talking about.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.09.01 00:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 31/08/2009 23:11:34 Most of these arguments are nothing more then banter intended to sway opinions in their favor. I will pose one single, simple question. I will attempt to state it in a manner that will make it difficult to twist or take out of contex. Here it goes... "Can you or can you not just sit there and mine in CVA space, all the live long day? And can you do so with no standings set, and with no affiliation to CVA, its Policing fleet, its diplomats or its politics." The answer to that question is plainly YES you can. The SINGLE requirement is coexistence The only trouble such a peaceful individual would run into out there, would actually be coming from many of you "Anti-CVA" folks spewing in this debate. It is YOU who create an environment where if one refuses to mark you as red, one will have their ships destroyed, their assets stolen, and then . . . one would be murdered. All simply because they were "there" YOU are the cause of standings being set in CVA. It is done for the sake of self preservation. You are fooling no one. Total facts, and yet, the morons you address this too will still disagree, SF will say its still not "free" space and thus bound by the rules of CVA so they must free it, and ursha crap will say that it is a slavers haven, and slaves are sold and used and thus, they must attack all those that operate or use CVA space because thus people that use the space are beneficial to CVA even if they are neutral and care nothing for Amarr.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.09.01 00:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Butter Dog Eternum, no-one here is claiming you haven't made the easy choice. You have. Your aspirations are low, your appetite for risk minimal, your leadership skills nowhere to be seen. So becoming a CVA pet suits your lack of ambition. We can't all be happy in such an impotent position, but each to their own. And the same to you and your alliance for petting it up with AAA

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