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Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.02 02:50:00 -
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Bossy Lady wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:
Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.
If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.
Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).
I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.
Rules for making the video: 1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time. 2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer. 3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids. 4) You must be in Caldari space. 5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.
Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times). I've lived in Curse (G-0Q) for the last year, and made my ISK doing Angel missions. During that time I have lost exactly 0 ships to hostiles, despite doing more missions than I can easily estimate. Constantly monitoring DSCAN is a part of that survival record. Accepting that I will inevitably lose a ship sooner or later due to carelessness, bad judgement or pure bad luck is also part of the game. If mining is too boring for you to watch the screeen while you're doing it, do something to make ISK that doesn't bore you. I can't fathom the motivation to cling so desperately to an activity you admit to finding so uninteresting.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP
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Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 02:51:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: I mine actively anyway,.
lololol
This time I mean it for real. PUT UP or SHUT UP |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1740
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Posted - 2012.06.02 02:54:00 -
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Le Dei Opus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:
Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.
If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.
Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).
I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.
Rules for making the video: 1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time. 2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer. 3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids. 4) You must be in Caldari space. 5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.
Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times). No. I don't like mining, so I choose not to do it. You claim to like mining, so you have fun doing it. If you don't like putting some effort into mining, don't. Just find a way to do it that reduces your risk in other ways. PUT UP OR SHUT UP
There are 11-12 other ways to mine safely during HAG than spamming D-Scan. Go do one of those. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:02:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:
Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.
If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.
Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).
I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.
Rules for making the video: 1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time. 2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer. 3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids. 4) You must be in Caldari space. 5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.
Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times). No. I don't like mining, so I choose not to do it. You claim to like mining, so you have fun doing it. If you don't like putting some effort into mining, don't. Just find a way to do it that reduces your risk in other ways. PUT UP OR SHUT UP There are 11-12 other ways to mine safely during HAG than spamming D-Scan. Go do one of those.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1740
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:09:00 -
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Le Dei Opus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:
Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.
If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.
Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).
I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.
Rules for making the video: 1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time. 2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer. 3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids. 4) You must be in Caldari space. 5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.
Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times). No. I don't like mining, so I choose not to do it. You claim to like mining, so you have fun doing it. If you don't like putting some effort into mining, don't. Just find a way to do it that reduces your risk in other ways. PUT UP OR SHUT UP There are 11-12 other ways to mine safely during HAG than spamming D-Scan. Go do one of those. PUT UP OR SHUT UP
You're suggesting that people who don't like doing something should do that thing that they dislike.
The gankers are suggesting that people who like doing something slightly modify their habits to counteract other players habits while they continue doing that thing they like doing.
Who's being more reasonable? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:13:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
You're suggesting that people who don't like doing something should do that thing that they dislike.
The gankers are suggesting that people who like doing something slightly modify their habits to counteract other players habits while they continue doing that thing they like doing.
Who's being more reasonable?
I'm suggesting that people dont' be hypocrites. As elegantly phrased:
Quote: I think you hit the nail on the head, and the reason of all the haters in this thread. While 5 mil is nearly nothing, I would say that the fact that no one wants to do it, just shows that they are all hypocritical anyways.They shouldn't expect other people to do what they themselves would never do."
and
"#19 Posted: 2012.06.01 20:50 | Report | Edited by: Archimedes Eratosthenes Like 2
Quote:
Actually, I think the OP is a genius, he/she just proved that your hatred of "semi-afk" miners is ILL-FOUNDED because none of you would bother to be "legitimate" miners yourself.
Your real problem is that you like to make someone the boogey man for all the problems in the game. AFK mining helps this game much more than it could ever hurt it.
How about we all band together and gank the real problem-makers in this game. Goonswarm and their tech monopoly. We should start writing "manifestos" on the Tech bottleneck.
OH WAIT THE GOONS SHOOT BACK!
PS
Everytime I see these afk mining haters I'm going to refer them here so they can proves themselves to the community what good miners they are."
Now sir PUT UP OR STFU |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:19:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: As per the rules my initial post you are to emulate an average joe. That is, it's you and your Mackinaw, no hauler. Game is a sandbox but can't enforce having multiple accounts, expecially on people who will probably not use scouts, cyno alts etc. Almost nobody use jet cans for ice anyway. If anything they fleet up with someone else (ARGH! Hi sec miners playing as a team, OH MY!) with an Orca.
The Mack will be tanked of course, since you guys believe it's so game changing, so it's cargo hold will be minimal. Have fun spending half your fine docking to station.
Le Dei Opus wrote: To fit tank you must also sacrifice mining upgrades in your lows for that DCU and carry ecm drones instead of mining drones. Failure to fit a 30k ehp tank using tech 2 mods and ecm drones (at the expense of mining and cargo output) will either result in a swift death or force you to warp off every time a single dessie shows up, resulting in even less mining output. Fit a tank right and you can easily survive a T3 BC solo attack. Bring an armor tanked Arbitrator with large shield transporters and ecm in the meds and drones you can survive 4 tier 3 Bc's if you wish.
The problem however is that you may as well have a single account going into WH's with a Tengu instead for that much risk and effort.
Yeah, I don't see how any of this precludes throwing my ore into a jetcan, filling it up, docking up, grabbing my badger, and making two quick trips to grab everything. I mean, by your own rules, I can't use my alt or have my buddy bring an orca. I don't see why that means I can't grab my own hauler and haul my own ice? But really, that's besides the point. Flying to the station every cycle would actually make me safer - I can't be ganked when warping or docked. After all, I'm not doing this to maximize my isk per hour, apparently, I'm doing this emulate the Average Joe (who has no friends, mines in The Forge, and doesn't know how to jetcan).
Tell you what. Gimme the 20 or so days to train my alt account up so that I can fly a Mack or Hulk and fit it, and I'll drop corp with him and mine in a system of my choice in Caldari space. I'll even mine in The Forge if you have The Mittani hold the purse - if four hours of remote trading is so important, I'm sure you won't mind putting up, right?
Edit: Oh, and we drop all your silly unnecessary rules. I get to dscan when I want, have programs open if I want, and jetcan if I want. Sound good? |

Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:22:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote:[quote=Vaerah Vahrokha] Yeah, I don't see how any of this precludes throwing my ore into a jetcan, filling it up, docking up, grabbing my badger, and making two quick trips to grab everything. I mean, by your own rules, I can't use my alt or have my buddy bring an orca. I don't see why that means I can't grab my own hauler and haul my own ice? But really, that's besides the point. Flying to the station every cycle would actually make me safer - I can't be ganked when warping or docked. After all, I'm not doing this to maximize my isk per hour, apparently, I'm doing this emulate the Average Joe (who has no friends, mines in The Forge, and doesn't know how to jetcan).
Tell you what. Gimme the 20 or so days to train my alt account up so that I can fly a Mack or Hulk and fit it, and I'll drop corp with him and mine in a system of my choice in Caldari space. I'll even mine in The Forge if you have The Mittani hold the purse - if four hours of remote trading is so important, I'm sure you won't mind putting up, right?
Are you seriously suggesting to jetcan mine in a mining barge? You'll be can flipped as soon as you blink your eye with a pirate corp hiding on the other side of the gate waiting for you to either 1) Be dumb and flip the can back or 2) Bring out a combat ship to thwart the can flipper. either way you'll die to the pirate corp that's hiding on the other side of the gate. Obviously you've never worked or mined a day in your life in EvE.
PS
Is Mittani still emo raging over his 30 day ban? |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1740
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:23:00 -
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Le Dei Opus wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
You're suggesting that people who don't like doing something should do that thing that they dislike.
The gankers are suggesting that people who like doing something slightly modify their habits to counteract other players habits while they continue doing that thing they like doing.
Who's being more reasonable?
I'm suggesting that people dont' be hypocrites. As elegantly phrased: Quote: I think you hit the nail on the head, and the reason of all the haters in this thread. While 5 mil is nearly nothing, I would say that the fact that no one wants to do it, just shows that they are all hypocritical anyways.They shouldn't expect other people to do what they themselves would never do."
and "#19 Posted: 2012.06.01 20:50 | Report | Edited by: Archimedes Eratosthenes Like 2 Beckie DeLey wrote: But that's a whole other topic for a whole other thread. This thread is for making fun of a dumb that posted an even dumber thread. Actually, I think the OP is a genius, he/she just proved that your hatred of "semi-afk" miners is ILL-FOUNDED because none of you would bother to be "legitimate" miners yourself. Your real problem is that you like to make someone the boogey man for all the problems in the game. AFK mining helps this game much more than it could ever hurt it. How about we all band together and gank the real problem-makers in this game. Goonswarm and their tech monopoly. We should start writing "manifestos" on the Tech bottleneck. OH WAIT THE GOONS SHOOT BACK! PS Everytime I see these afk mining haters I'm going to refer them here so they can proves themselves to the community what good miners they are."
I don't hate people who mine semi-afk. If that's what they want to do, that's their choice. I gank them because that's what I want to do, and that is my choice.
I do, however, dislike people who come to the forums and whine that they were ganked in a game that explicitly allows ganking.
On the forums I offer advice to people who wish to mine in safety, informing them of ways that they could CHOOSE to mine that would prevent them from getting ganked (or at least reduce the likelihood). I get nothing but grief when I do this.
You can Mine in a Covetor and accept some losses. You can Mine in a Rokh and pretty well never get ganked (120k EHP is a bit much to gank "for the lulz") You can Mine aligned with a little effort You can Mine aligned with triple webs, moving 7m/s towards your safe
None of these require you to do ANY dscanning; all you have to do with the last two is look at your overview. The First one is getting safer and safer now that there's no reward for Covetors The Second has always been safe. The third and fourth require only that you watch your overview. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
211
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:24:00 -
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You know, I've been sitting in the middle of this debate, between James315's self righteous ethnic cleansing campaign against Empire miners and people like you, the bleeding heart AFK miners who think its CCP's job to reward you for mediocrity and provide complete immunity from outside influence. When I joined this dizzying debate I actually sided with the miners, but to be honest, the more people talk the more I like James and the less I side with your camp, Le Dei Opus.
I think the problem I have is I don't know who started it, and all I caught was a 20 page manifesto that I lost interest in reading mid-page 1. But I'm starting to see the issue and perhaps I can help you see it too:
I don't believe that the majority of the players that oppose you hate you because you AFK mine. Some do, and some are purely trolling for tears, some truly mean it. However, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor. I doubt many people will argue with your test that sitting at your computer mining day in and day out would probably be boring, but they expect that when you get blown up because you weren't at your computer and you didn't tank it because you'd rather make that extra 15% yield while you're not paying attention, that you accept responsibility for the way you chose to play, take the loss, and move on.
Furthermore you really should thank Hulkageddon, wouldn't you agree it makes mining more entertaining?
I think so. In closing, rather than PUT UP OR SHUT UP, I, in turn, am asking you to think about it for a minute... truly ask yourself if you deserve to have an effect on all the other players of EvE when you're not even playing while denying them the opportunity to have an effect on you? You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
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Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:28:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
I do, however, dislike people who come to the forums and whine that they were ganked in a game that explicitly allows ganking.
Where have I whined once about ganking? I'm simply trying to diffuse miner hatred that is being used as the scapegoat to enrich Goonies.
Ganking I have no problem with, I lost about 5-6 Hulks a year to ganks and never complained, but the profit and rewards more than paid for it. Now that's not possible, the Risk doesn't match the reward at all. If I were to be mining I'd be losing 8-10 a week. As for now I'll be taking my Tengu into WH's producing absolutely nothing for the community!
Stop PUTting words in my mouth. I never once complained about ganking, simply your attitudes towards semi-afk miners.
So sir when I say PUT UP or SHUT UP it doesn't mean to PUT words in my mouth.
On that grounds I am not responding to you again unless you put up a video.
Now.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:34:00 -
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Le Dei Opus wrote:Are you seriously suggesting to jetcan mine in a mining barge? You'll be can flipped as soon as you blink your eye with a pirate corp hiding on the other side of the gate waiting for you to either 1) Be dumb and flip the can back or 2) Bring out a combat ship to thwart the can flipper. either way you'll die to the pirate corp that's hiding on the other side of the gate. Obviously you've never worked or mined a day in your life in EvE.
PS
Is Mittani still emo raging over his 30 day ban? If this was about the isk, I'd do the smart thing and mine with my buddies in goonswarm territory. If I was a highsec miner, I'd find some friends in game, set up a triple web with two of them, and have an orca pilot haul for the three of us. If I was so unpleasant I couldn't find any friends, I'd plex up an alt and put 'em in an Iteron V.
But since by your rules preclude all of these smarter, better, easier ways of mining, I guess I'll do it the needlessly risky and dumb way... since that seems to be the point of your challenge? I'm honestly not sure why I'm even bothering, it basically all seems to boil down to "Take the genuinely good advice given by gankers about what would deter them, and take it to it's ridiculous extremes for no real reason."
Then again, I got Arthur's Trucks in Dead Rising, so maybe pointlessly annoying achievements for no reason is just in my blood.
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Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:34:00 -
[103] - Quote
Ituhata SakenHowever wrote:, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor.
You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners.
Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye. |

Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:36:00 -
[104] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:Are you seriously suggesting to jetcan mine in a mining barge? You'll be can flipped as soon as you blink your eye with a pirate corp hiding on the other side of the gate waiting for you to either 1) Be dumb and flip the can back or 2) Bring out a combat ship to thwart the can flipper. either way you'll die to the pirate corp that's hiding on the other side of the gate. Obviously you've never worked or mined a day in your life in EvE.
PS
Is Mittani still emo raging over his 30 day ban? If this was about the isk, I'd do the smart thing and mine with my buddies in goonswarm territory. If I was a highsec miner, I'd find some friends in game, set up a triple web with two of them, and have an orca pilot haul for the three of us. If I was so unpleasant I couldn't find any friends, I'd plex up an alt and put 'em in an Iteron V. But since by your rules preclude all of these smarter, better, easier ways of mining, I guess I'll do it the needlessly risky and dumb way... since that seems to be the point of your challenge? I'm honestly not sure why I'm even bothering, it basically all seems to boil down to "Take the genuinely good advice given by gankers about what would deter them, and take it to it's ridiculous extremes for no real reason." Then again, I got Arthur's Trucks in Dead Rising, so maybe pointlessly annoying achievements for no reason is just in my blood. How about Mittani, has his parents tried to convince him EvE is a game? |

Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
211
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:36:00 -
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Le Dei Opus wrote:Ituhata SakenHowever wrote:, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor. You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners. Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye.
Quote:If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:
Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.
If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.
Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).
I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.
Rules for making the video: 1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time. 2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer. 3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids. 4) You must be in Caldari space. 5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.
You can pretend that you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:37:00 -
[106] - Quote
Le Dei Opus wrote:Ituhata SakenHowever wrote:, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor. You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners. Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye. You're also spergy as hell, which is kind of turning me off the whole thing. Unless you really don't think it's obvious to literally everyone what this thread is about?
I dunno why I'm even bothering, it's not like I'll have a four hour block of completely uninterrupted time to film myself mining. I have a very rigorous ************ schedule, you know. |

Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:37:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:Ituhata SakenHowever wrote:, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor. You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners. Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye. Quote:If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:
Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.
If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.
Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).
I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.
Rules for making the video: 1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time. 2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer. 3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids. 4) You must be in Caldari space. 5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video. You can pretend they you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed. GUESS WHAT
PUT UP OR SHUT UP |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:38:00 -
[108] - Quote
Jesus Christ the word filter here is arbitrary as ****. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1740
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:38:00 -
[109] - Quote
Le Dei Opus wrote:
On that grounds I am not responding to you again unless you put up a video.
Now.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP
I don't dislike AFK Miners, thus I am exempted from your stupid idea.
Also, I said "people who." If you didn't complain, then I didn't include you. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:42:00 -
[110] - Quote
Ituhata Saken wrote:You can pretend they you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed.
That right there is the key of why there's so much vitriol towards the AFK mining whiners. They can talk about just wanting balance all they want, how they don't have a problem with ganking in principle, all of that good stuff. That one statement destroys it all - it's trying to imply that the recommendations on how to be safer (tanks, dscan, etc) aren't good recommendations if they don't make you 100% safe, that if you do these things and still die, clearly the suggestions were worthless.
That alone is stupid enough, but if you think about it, it's also telling you what they want from any potential game changes. It's not about balance, or making the risk vs reward more "even", it's about making themselves completely safe. Nothing else but that will ever be "fair" or "balanced" to them, and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety. |
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
34
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:43:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Man, you miners must be poor as **** if you think you could even get me to open my client for 5 million isk, let alone do something once it's open. 5m isk = $0.20 and that's crazy money in some commie country Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:45:00 -
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EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Man, you miners must be poor as **** if you think you could even get me to open my client for 5 million isk, let alone do something once it's open. 5m isk = $0.20 and that's crazy money in some commie country
Remember too, that's 5 million isk for 4 hours ever day for a month, so 5 million isk for 120 hours of gameplay that must be very specific and very recorded.
Somalian dirt farmers would laugh in your face at that offer. |

Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
211
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:48:00 -
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Quote:GUESS WHAT
PUT UP OR SHUT UP
I see you have no real rebuttal and no defense for the premise of the original post. Continually shouting a slogan will not win you points with your intended audience. I have asked you a very honest question which you really should consider, but I doubt you'll do much at this point other than put your hands over your ears and bleat out "lalalala i can't hear you". Honestly, I'm almost certain I'm being trolled, to which I say, "well done, sir or ma'am." You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |

Le Dei Opus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:50:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety.
Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was butthurt.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1740
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:51:00 -
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Le Dei Opus wrote:Snow Axe wrote:[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety. Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was bored.
FYP Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Saladinae
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.06.02 03:57:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:Snow Axe wrote:[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety. Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was bored. FYP
INB4 the brainwashed goonies are told to do a forum log on attack to kill this thread.
Btw, you're all a bunch of hypocrites. Winmatar > Everything else |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1740
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:00:00 -
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Saladinae wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Le Dei Opus wrote:Snow Axe wrote:[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety. Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was bored. FYP INB4 the brainwashed goonies are told to do a forum log on attack to kill this thread. Btw, you're all a bunch of hypocrites.
How am I a hypocrite? Also, please look at the words below my name. Not a goon either, never paid the $10 for the SA forums. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Kimmi Chan
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:09:00 -
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Here is how another high sec miner is handling this whole situation.
You'll notice that he makes no mention of buffing exhumers and no mention of nerfing gankers. His post is well thought out and shares his experience and offers advice. Ironically, it is the same kind of advice that RubyPorto and others have tried to give you.
He gets it.
This is a high sec miner that I do not dislike.
Le Dei Opus wrote: I'm simply trying to diffuse miner hatred
Many posters here don't hate miners. They just hate people that whine. Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:17:00 -
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I have. Even got suicide ganked while doing it. Didn't cry like a little ***** about it though. Actually I laughed.
But I must be smarter then a lot of people because I can multitask. I also have a special version of the client that allows me to play in a thing called windowed mode, so I would watch netflix on one half of my screen and mine on the other, but then I play on a 50" LCD so it's a little easier to that.
And no I wont make you a video of me doing it just because some selfrigheous little twerp on the internet wants to fap to me playing EVE. Pervert.
I actually thought about using the money I made from mining to buy plex, but I finally got approved for disability so I'm just going to let you pay for my account instead.       |

Reina Supremus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:37:00 -
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Reported the OP:
Why?
I personally don't care what either side thinks. However the OP demonstrates that there's a very strong surge of hate against a certain community within EvE that in general I do not consider healthy for EvE as a game. Now the OP responds with a counter-hate thread. Soon we'll all be cursing and swearing at each other because of...real hate over a fake video game.
We will all start to look ridiculous to outsiders who just started the game or were looking at the forums to decide whether or not to give it a try.
In all honesty Goonswarm, gank away. However, at least tell people it's for your Tech profits and not to "RID THE WORLD OF OF THE HEATHEN AFK MINERS" "HATE THEM" "BLAME THEM" "PERSECUTE THEM" "KILL THEM"
Why don't we rid the world of AFK mission runners and 0.01 ISK bots and jump freighters (yes there are bots that YOU NULL BEARS USE FOR JUMP FREIGHTING).
You're overtly creating hatred in a manner which shouldn't be tolerated in any video GAME (or REAL LIFE) no matter what the game is supposed to be about.
Go ahead and gank the miners to oblivion, but don't become hate merchants at the same time. I am ashamed that CCP has let you guys go that far. |
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