This game works well without the AFKers.


Better, even.


Nobody needs you, stop kidding yourself.

You're the person that inspired this thread from another thread. PUT UP OR SHUTUP.

Aligning your ship, fitting your Hulk correctly, watching local, checking intel are mining related activities as far as i understand. Market research as well, i guess. For all i care you can check the markets and get into trading while mining or chat up your corp mates and/or post d**k jokes in local. Just play the f******g game and don't go afk or you deserve not even a single piece of rock.

Surviving in highsec is not hard. All that is required is being at your keyboard and be playing. If you are not at your keyboard for more than 10 seconds, you better dock up or else you deserve to be blown into bits for being indistinguishable from a bot.

Yes, mining is boring. But you chose at as your profession, so you are to blame if you are not entertained enough. If you think it sucks, then do something more engaging. EVE has plenty to do for everyone.

Man, you miners must be poor as **** if you think you could even get me to open my client for 5 million isk, let alone do something once it's open.

This game works well without the AFKers.


Better, even.


Nobody needs you, stop kidding yourself.

[I thought all the hubub was that hi sec was way to profitable and everyone that lives and breathes in hi sec is super rich...

Yes but afk cloaking is a good thing.
Something tells me there is a double standard going on here.

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Each producer of such a video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining.

What does AFK cloaking have to do with highsec mining?

Oh right. Nothing.



Personally, i am not affected by AFK cloakers in any way, so i can't really care less.

But that's a whole other topic for a whole other thread. This thread is for making fun of a dumb that posted an even dumber thread.

But that's a whole other topic for a whole other thread. This thread is for making fun of a dumb that posted an even dumber thread.

You must just hate miners

Actually, I think the OP is a genius, he/she just proved that your hatred of "semi-afk" miners is ILL-FOUNDED because none of you would bother to be "legitimate" miners yourself.

Nah, only AFK miners.



Legitimate Miners are cool by me, though i do pity them a bit. I wouldn't want to do what they do, but if they like it, who am i to keep them from doing it. Getting rid of AFK miners for good would improve the conditions so much for those miners that actually play the game, it would be incredibly healthy for the game as a whole.

Huh. Guess i don't like people that devalue other people's gameplay without actually playing themselves, if you are looking for a more exact definition. Or "leeches", if you like a tl;dr term.

I am putting up, why is no one shutting up

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game."

(when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I think you hit the nail on the head, and the reason of all the haters in this thread. While 5 mil is nearly nothing, I would say that the fact that no one wants to do it, just shows that they are all hypocritical anyways.They shouldn't expect other people to do what they themselves would never do.

Each producer of such a video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining.

I never said I hated miners, but 5million isk is not exactly an incentive to spend several weeks training up to be a miner and purchasing the ships and equipment in game, plus getting the Webcam + software etc to do the live streaming.

I'd rather spend 5 hours semi-AFK mining in Low-sec than 5 minutes non-AFK mining in High-sec with Hulkageddon around... No wait. I'm already doing that with one of my other chars. High-sec has become like low-sec, only with a lot more people and a lot less security.

I'm willing to act as intermediary and hold this money in escrow to make sure it's paid out in full.

4) You must be in Caldari space.
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So? Doctor Benway Kado you were quite interested right? 300M not 5M, all you have to do is to accept the terms I posted before.

A lot of nerds have 2 monitors

LOL after rereading it I found something I missed the first time.

This is suicide.

Any miner mining in this section of space is well ...........

Sure. Just one question. Does dying to a war target count for your suicide ganking rule? Because, uh...

Guys this is a fair and on-the-level challenge it just has to be in this one region that happens to be the home of the central market hub of the game and I have to know what system it's in so I can watch you to make sure you don't cheat I promise I won't tell anyone else what system that is though

Wait why is nobody accepting this challenge what is going on

Also, a second question. You want me to mine, every day, for a month for 300 million isk. I don't play every day, though, especially when I work doubles. Instead, can I have a certain number of hours I have to mine before the end of the month?

Also, if I get ganked once during the entire month, do I have to start over?

Not all are dishonest like your kin.

Also, does it have to be in highsec? Do ebooks count against the 'no entertainment' rule? Am I allowed to bring friends? Do I have to mine in a belt? Do I have to press dscan every couple seconds? What are you going to do to guarantee I'll get paid?

I guess it's all kind of moot anyway, since I can't/won't play every single day for a month.

Edit: Okay, wait. I'm getting confused. What are YOUR terms? Because the terms in the op definitely say an entire month.

There's definitely something funny about a LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN MINE LIKE THE AVERAGE MINER challenge as a response to a campaign where one of the central points is that being an average miner is stupid and dangerous and should stop.

Well because reward is soooooooooooooooooooooooo not worth the risk.

Hence why I upped the reward from the single digit per hour an ice miner would get to more than incursion.
Can't complain you get low reward, incursions are really where the leet guys are at!

So let me get this straight - I have to mine like the average miner, except the average miner (I'm assuming here) doesn't have 80+ war decs against his corp. I also have to announce that I'm doing this.

That... hmm. Yeah, I dunno. Gonna have to eat crow on this one, guys. I bow down to your invincible logic, Vaerah Vahrokha. Mining like an idiot is idiotic.

Considering I sent up to 1B to random people just because I felt in the mood (look at EvEMarketeer MD thread, JEvEAssets MD thread...), 300M for me is a below pocket change.

And in doing that you also created a set of rules that negates just about every piece of advice that has ever come out of this thing (bring friends, pick systems smarter, etc). Also the whole "if you die, you lose" thing is hilarity since death is an inevitable part of Eve no matter what precautions you take.

Most third world elections are more on the level than this sorry excuse of a "challenge". You could pay 300 billion and it wouldn't even be worth plugging a webcam in.

Don't apologize. I was calling you a moron, albeit in a rather subtle way, so I could see why you missed it.

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

1.Do whatever the hell you please because this is a sandbox PVP game and pretty much everyone knows the rules.

Hi sec miners have to learn and adapt to put their mining alts in NPC or other corps so they are impervious to wardecs.

I am saddened to learn this is too though for you guys.

Edit:

bah I apologize, you are actually a much nicer Goon than average, please don't take my challenging words as directed to your person.

"Please go against all the advice you've given on these forums like not mining next door to a market hub and you'll get a total of 305 million ISK"

At least Goonswarm has a legitimate motive for Hulkageddon with their tech production. However the guise of "hating afk miners" is very unhealthy for the game in general. Also if Goonies really hated afk-income, they'd get all the mission bots and disrupt/abuse the 0.01 ISK bots

"Please go against all the advice you've given on these forums like not mining next door to a market hub and you'll get a total of 305 million ISK"

Sorry if you guys are so stupid to give impossible advice. Ice mining is where ice belts are, period. HTFU like the ice miners have to.

Unless of course you die, then you lose. I promise I won't arrange this! I swear!

Because all of the white glaze in the game is in The Forge and not Lonetrek, The Citadel and Black Rise

Hmm actually if you knew Bat Country patterns you'd know that The Citadel and Lonetrek are *as* visited as The Forge. Never went to check Black Rise though.

Still doesn't explain why you limited your contest to the region that has Jita, though.

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

Each producer of such a video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining.

Hmm actually if you knew Bat Country patterns you'd know that The Citadel and Lonetrek are *as* visited as The Forge. Never went to check Black Rise though. The simple truth is that the ice systems are few enough that you can maintain an armed presence in all of them, hence the ice interdictions.

Our interdiction also required the ice miners to not fit any kind of tank. We needed to make a profit on every kill to keep funding the event.

And here is where it shows how kind I am. I fully allowed to fit the best tank.

Oh wait, I was not kind. I know that fitting a vaguely viable tank would make him warp to the station every cycle so he'd earn 3M per hour. You know, EvE has consequences...


*trollface.jpg*

Wait, the average miner doesn't know how to use jetcans? Holy crap y'all are dumber than I thought.

Wait, the average miner doesn't know how to use jetcans? Holy crap y'all are dumber than I thought.

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times).

I'd rather watch videos of old women being shoved out of airplanes.

.

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

Sure I'll do this.

Did I mention I'll be doing it in a rohk? Oh, and my screen is probably going to be turned off, but don't worry the macros will keep everything going without me. That is how you RMT types roll, right?

As per the rules my initial post you are to emulate an average joe. That is, it's you and your Mackinaw, no hauler. Game is a sandbox but can't enforce having multiple accounts, expecially on people who will probably not use scouts, cyno alts etc. Almost nobody use jet cans for ice anyway. If anything they fleet up with someone else (ARGH! Hi sec miners playing as a team, OH MY!) with an Orca.

The Mack will be tanked of course, since you guys believe it's so game changing, so it's cargo hold will be minimal. Have fun spending half your fine docking to station.

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times).

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times).

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

No. I don't like mining, so I choose not to do it. You claim to like mining, so you have fun doing it. If you don't like putting some effort into mining, don't. Just find a way to do it that reduces your risk in other ways.

I've lived in Curse (G-0Q) for the last year, and made my ISK doing Angel missions. During that time I have lost exactly 0 ships to hostiles, despite doing more missions than I can easily estimate. Constantly monitoring DSCAN is a part of that survival record. Accepting that I will inevitably lose a ship sooner or later due to carelessness, bad judgement or pure bad luck is also part of the game.

If mining is too boring for you to watch the screeen while you're doing it, do something to make ISK that doesn't bore you. I can't fathom the motivation to cling so desperately to an activity you admit to finding so uninteresting.

I mine actively anyway,.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

There are 11-12 other ways to mine safely during HAG than spamming D-Scan. Go do one of those.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

You're suggesting that people who don't like doing something should do that thing that they dislike.

The gankers are suggesting that people who like doing something slightly modify their habits to counteract other players habits while they continue doing that thing they like doing.

Who's being more reasonable?

I think you hit the nail on the head, and the reason of all the haters in this thread. While 5 mil is nearly nothing, I would say that the fact that no one wants to do it, just shows that they are all hypocritical anyways.They shouldn't expect other people to do what they themselves would never do."

Actually, I think the OP is a genius, he/she just proved that your hatred of "semi-afk" miners is ILL-FOUNDED because none of you would bother to be "legitimate" miners yourself.

Your real problem is that you like to make someone the boogey man for all the problems in the game. AFK mining helps this game much more than it could ever hurt it.

How about we all band together and gank the real problem-makers in this game. Goonswarm and their tech monopoly. We should start writing "manifestos" on the Tech bottleneck.

OH WAIT THE GOONS SHOOT BACK!

PS

Everytime I see these afk mining haters I'm going to refer them here so they can proves themselves to the community what good miners they are."

As per the rules my initial post you are to emulate an average joe. That is, it's you and your Mackinaw, no hauler. Game is a sandbox but can't enforce having multiple accounts, expecially on people who will probably not use scouts, cyno alts etc. Almost nobody use jet cans for ice anyway. If anything they fleet up with someone else (ARGH! Hi sec miners playing as a team, OH MY!) with an Orca.

The Mack will be tanked of course, since you guys believe it's so game changing, so it's cargo hold will be minimal. Have fun spending half your fine docking to station.

To fit tank you must also sacrifice mining upgrades in your lows for that DCU and carry ecm drones instead of mining drones. Failure to fit a 30k ehp tank using tech 2 mods and ecm drones (at the expense of mining and cargo output) will either result in a swift death or force you to warp off every time a single dessie shows up, resulting in even less mining output. Fit a tank right and you can easily survive a T3 BC solo attack. Bring an armor tanked Arbitrator with large shield transporters and ecm in the meds and drones you can survive 4 tier 3 Bc's if you wish.

The problem however is that you may as well have a single account going into WH's with a Tengu instead for that much risk and effort.

[quote=Vaerah Vahrokha]
Yeah, I don't see how any of this precludes throwing my ore into a jetcan, filling it up, docking up, grabbing my badger, and making two quick trips to grab everything. I mean, by your own rules, I can't use my alt or have my buddy bring an orca. I don't see why that means I can't grab my own hauler and haul my own ice? But really, that's besides the point. Flying to the station every cycle would actually make me safer - I can't be ganked when warping or docked. After all, I'm not doing this to maximize my isk per hour, apparently, I'm doing this emulate the Average Joe (who has no friends, mines in The Forge, and doesn't know how to jetcan).

Tell you what. Gimme the 20 or so days to train my alt account up so that I can fly a Mack or Hulk and fit it, and I'll drop corp with him and mine in a system of my choice in Caldari space. I'll even mine in The Forge if you have The Mittani hold the purse - if four hours of remote trading is so important, I'm sure you won't mind putting up, right?

I'm suggesting that people dont' be hypocrites. As elegantly phrased:



and

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But that's a whole other topic for a whole other thread. This thread is for making fun of a dumb that posted an even dumber thread.


Actually, I think the OP is a genius, he/she just proved that your hatred of "semi-afk" miners is ILL-FOUNDED because none of you would bother to be "legitimate" miners yourself.

Your real problem is that you like to make someone the boogey man for all the problems in the game. AFK mining helps this game much more than it could ever hurt it.

How about we all band together and gank the real problem-makers in this game. Goonswarm and their tech monopoly. We should start writing "manifestos" on the Tech bottleneck.

OH WAIT THE GOONS SHOOT BACK!

PS

Everytime I see these afk mining haters I'm going to refer them here so they can proves themselves to the community what good miners they are."

I do, however, dislike people who come to the forums and whine that they were ganked in a game that explicitly allows ganking.

Are you seriously suggesting to jetcan mine in a mining barge? You'll be can flipped as soon as you blink your eye with a pirate corp hiding on the other side of the gate waiting for you to either 1) Be dumb and flip the can back or 2) Bring out a combat ship to thwart the can flipper. either way you'll die to the pirate corp that's hiding on the other side of the gate. Obviously you've never worked or mined a day in your life in EvE.

PS

Is Mittani still emo raging over his 30 day ban?

, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor.

If this was about the isk, I'd do the smart thing and mine with my buddies in goonswarm territory. If I was a highsec miner, I'd find some friends in game, set up a triple web with two of them, and have an orca pilot haul for the three of us. If I was so unpleasant I couldn't find any friends, I'd plex up an alt and put 'em in an Iteron V.

But since by your rules preclude all of these smarter, better, easier ways of mining, I guess I'll do it the needlessly risky and dumb way... since that seems to be the point of your challenge? I'm honestly not sure why I'm even bothering, it basically all seems to boil down to "Take the genuinely good advice given by gankers about what would deter them, and take it to it's ridiculous extremes for no real reason."

Then again, I got Arthur's Trucks in Dead Rising, so maybe pointlessly annoying achievements for no reason is just in my blood.

You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners.

Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye.

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners.

Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye.

You can pretend they you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed.

On that grounds I am not responding to you again unless you put up a video.

Now.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

You can pretend they you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed.

Man, you miners must be poor as **** if you think you could even get me to open my client for 5 million isk, let alone do something once it's open.

5m isk = $0.20 and that's crazy money in some commie country

GUESS WHAT

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety.

Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was bored.

FYP

INB4 the brainwashed goonies are told to do a forum log on attack to kill this thread.


Btw, you're all a bunch of hypocrites.

I'm simply trying to diffuse miner hatred

Again, your problem is "emulating the average Joe" when this entire event is a long demonstration about how terrible and stupid the "average Joe's" methods are. If they don't use jetcans or haulers instead of warping back to station every time their hold fills, they're being INCREDIBLY STUPID. If they fly solo in the most expensive barge they can find during Hulkageddon, they're being INCREDIBLY STUPID. Are you starting to get this yet?

Seriously? Mining without a hauler? Are these miners literally ********? Are they that afraid to make a single friend, or are they so greedy they refuse to split their isk with even one other person?

Ever imagined that the people doing are relatively new and fund-less people so they can't afford PLEX?
For you maybe EvE is unplayable without multiple accounts but then it's not an EULA requirement to always have that Falcon alt just incase, that cyno alt, RR alts, off grid booster alt and why not, an hauler alt. For you it's incredibly stupid, for others is a necessity.

Flying in the most expensive barge? A Mack is not. He could opt in for a durable Hulk but that ofc is the expensive option. Plus are you really suggesting that this sandbox of yours is not meant to be played with an Exhumer?

I can hear you: "Yes but certainly not during Hulkageddon!"
And I can reply you: "No problem, let's wait for 2 weeks so Hulkageddon is ove.....". Oh wait YOUR corp made it permanent, which by your reasonment means exhumers are banned forever.

Mining without hauler: besides the above, try to really jet can in an Exhumer with an average of 3-4 can flippers doing their best to catch you. Sooner or later you WILL hear a door bell or will have to toilet 30 seconds and then you are done.

I went to test this in Minmatar space (read: vastly less trafficked) and I had about 3 smart attempts to can flip per day. You'd think "well it's not that many". But that was inside a large grav site, one of the most difficult signatures and still they got there, can flipped and after they realized I would not take the bait they'd warp in catalysts.

Ever imagined that the people doing are relatively new and fund-less people so they can't afford PLEX?
For you maybe EvE is unplayable without multiple accounts but then it's not an EULA requirement to always have that Falcon alt just incase, that cyno alt, RR alts, off grid booster alt and why not, an hauler alt. For you it's incredibly stupid, for others is a necessity.

Flying in the most expensive barge? A Mack is not. He could opt in for a durable Hulk but that ofc is the expensive option. Plus are you really suggesting that this sandbox of yours is not meant to be played with an Exhumer?

I can hear you: "Yes but certainly not during Hulkageddon!"
And I can reply you: "No problem, let's wait for 2 weeks so Hulkageddon is ove.....". Oh wait YOUR corp made it permanent, which by your reasonment means exhumers are banned forever.

Mining without hauler: besides the above, try to really jet can in an Exhumer with an average of 3-4 can flippers doing their best to catch you. Sooner or later you WILL hear a door bell or will have to toilet 30 seconds and then you are done.

I went to test this in Minmatar space (read: vastly less trafficked) and I had about 3 smart attempts to can flip per day. You'd think "well it's not that many". But that was inside a large grav site, one of the most difficult signatures and still they got there, can flipped and after they realized I would not take the bait they'd warp in catalysts.

Tell you what. Gimme the 20 or so days to train my alt account up so that I can fly a Mack or Hulk and fit it, and I'll drop corp with him and mine in a system of my choice in Caldari space. I'll even mine in The Forge if you have The Mittani hold the purse - if four hours of remote trading is so important, I'm sure you won't mind putting up, right?

Edit: Oh, and we drop all your silly unnecessary rules. I get to dscan when I want, have programs open if I want, and jetcan if I want. Sound good?

I dunno why I'm even bothering, it's not like I'll have a four hour block of completely uninterrupted time to film myself mining. I have a very rigorous ************ schedule, you know

In this Massively Multiplayer game, whatever could they do? I suppose they could get a friend to haul for them. Or join a mining corp, or just simply warp back to station 4-5 times per hour

And if they're new and fund-less, how are they flying a Hulk? If they just bought a Hulk with all their ISK, they skipped the tutorial that tells them the first rule of EvE

For Ice, mine in a Tanked Hulk. You probably won't get ganked, and you definitely won't if you pay attention to a 1000km D-Scan. Don't want to D-Scan? Mine it in a Covetor.

Ok, then Grav sites aren't a good plan in that area of space

At no point did I mention alt accounts. Actually, I specifically said "make friends" (in a multiplayer game, no less!). Your mind immediately went to alts. Are you and your ilk really THAT averse to playing with others?

Besides, "relatively new" people aren't flying Hulks, and so far every bleating I QUIT GOONS RUIN STUFF Hulk pilot goes to great lengths to mention just how many accounts they're taking with them. I'll give you a hint, they're all well more than 1.

Banned forever? Nah, they'll still get tons of use in low/null and in high by people who aren't afraid to think a little bit. Dumbos who want to sit still alone in a belt in a multi-million isk hull with empty slots and ship fittings that actually reduce their survivability will struggle though, no doubt.

That said, the only thing continued are the 100mil/10 killing blow payments. That's not really a HUGE incentive for a lot of people to keep going, and certainly not at any kind of pace. Hulkageddon proper is a race, don't forget, with prizes for the most amount of kills. This is just a pretty small amount of supplemental income that will help gankers break even that has no time constraints on it at all. If the pace of ganking continues, it's likely more to do with the gankers having way too much fun making people lose their minds on Eve-O than anything to do with a pretty paltry 100mil isk.

This is an honest question (as you couldn't pay me enough to bother mining Veldspar in highsec), but why not anchor/password a GSC and mine into that?

This game works well without the AFKers.


Better, even.


Nobody needs you, stop kidding yourself.

Because having friends is not an EULA requirement, and when miners commit to some 8h a day schedule lasting months, they won't find someone friend enough to sit there like an idiot forever.

If I see the ganking gets reduced I might contact Helicity to sponsor prices. I want the maximum amount of miners to die too.

I might be wrong but 1 cycle worth of ice (1000m3 per block, minimum you get 2 per laser) does not fit in a GSC.

AFK happens.. if you don't like it leave.

So, Caldari space is way stupid for that, too many people. Minmatar "aren't a good plan". And I'll tell you a little secret of mine: I lost 1 mining ship years ago in a grav site in some totally stupid secluded Amarr space planet. It's always a bad idea to mine in hi sec, this is why I don't do it any more.

In fact, the best suggestion EVER is to not mine in hi sec period. Or not to mine at all.
Now, if people were left to learn about his simple fact by themselves, without a plethora of smatterers harpying and deriding them all day long, then miners would not revolt or consider these suggestions as "killing our sandbox".

If you posted all your suggestions and fittings 3 months ago, you'd be called a miner hero and your guide sticked in some forum.
But now it's seen as just another unasked for intrusion.

I have a counter suggestion:

What about all the self appointed teachers shut up for 2-3 weeks?
Then the whining miners would keep spamming pathetic threads showing only them as their own doom.
Antagonizing them, instead, just raises the hate bar and brings everybody down to the same level.

Flying in the most expensive barge? A Mack is not. He could opt in for a durable Hulk but that ofc is the expensive option. Plus are you really suggesting that this sandbox of yours is not meant to be played with an Exhumer?

I can hear you: "Yes but certainly not during Hulkageddon!"
And I can reply you: "No problem, let's wait for 2 weeks so Hulkageddon is ove.....". Oh wait YOUR corp made it permanent, which by your reasonment means exhumers are banned forever.

If you posted all your suggestions and fittings 3 months ago, you'd be called a miner hero and your guide sticked in some forum.
But now it's seen as just another unasked for intrusion.

2) They are silly? Unnecessary? Those are the rules imposed in every other "miners HTFU, thou shalt playeth like this" as due diligence. Sorry you have to eat the same poop your side imposes on the others.
You can look at all the programs you want, as long as you keep spamming that D-Scan like all the pro guys claim to do.

I hardly know of friends who would expressly play hauler for somebody else for 8 hours a day, sharing the tedium for single digit income per hour. It's as easy to find such people as it's finding your theoretical RR friend.
Mining corps? I always considered hi sec mining corps as worthless in average. They are tastier to wardec than ganking a ship and then they disband to a sneeze. Was it low sec / 0.0 then I know it's how it's done. Some years ago I did mine in low and 0.0 myself.

Fund-less refers to RL fund-less, i.e. not willing / unable to spare money to have multiple accounts.
I remind you that some pretty well established friends of mine who live in Africa, earn $70 a month... Plenty of richer countries but where a sub is still all what they can afford.

Ice mining in a covetor is such a torture that the last time I meet a guy doing that, I gifted him the money to buy a Mackinaw.
I can send you eve-mail with references so you can ask him yourself.

Mining Ice in a Covetor is still mining Ice, and it's AFK

Says who? Last time I participated in an Ice mining operation, which was actually last Wednesday evening, we did it while at our computers. How can I tell we didn't do it AFK? Easy. We used D-Scan and the moment anything not designed for mining showed up, we docked our Exhumers in the Orca and brought out less valuable targets including an ECM-frigate. So you are so wrong in claiming that Ice-Mining is AFK only.

Eve isn't a single-player game. Some activities are not solo-friendly, and given the sandbox nature of the game, circumstances for activities can change at the whims of the playerbase. Of course, nobody's FORCED to get into a corp, make friends, or anything of the sort, but it's highly advisable, wouldn't you think? Especially for an activity like mining, which isn't really solo friendly unless you're a full-on masochist (or have enough alts to simulate having friends).

If I see the ganking gets reduced I might contact Helicity to sponsor prices. I want the maximum amount of miners to die too.

Helicity doesn't really have anything to do with our payments IIRC, it was just an addon to Hulkageddon.

I might be wrong but 1 cycle worth of ice (1000m3 per block, minimum you get 2 per laser) does not fit in a GSC.

You know, I wish that miners would shut the **** up and just play the game.

Is that too much to ask?

So Hulks didn't need a buff 3 months ago, but now, after exactly 0 game mechanical changes, they need one? LOLWUT?

I don't shut up because I think CCP is exactly stupid enough to start listening to the whiners if they're allowed to go unchallenged. CCP doesn't exactly have the most stellar track record at listening to the people who know what they're talking about.
See: Incarna, Akita T's Tech predictions (posted on the forums before the r64 nerfs hit TQ), etc.

Where have I whined once about ganking? I'm simply trying to diffuse miner hatred that is being used as the scapegoat to enrich Goonies.

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times).

See, years ago I have exclusively played in hard core top guilds including a world first kills one. I played and still play in large PvP guilds in WAR and GW2 (where we are pre-arranged - search for "The Unnamed" guild) and I am trying my hand in Entropia as well. I know too well how it works, why it works and also why I loved it. I also joined a very high activity PvP corp in EvE as you can easily check.

Then things of life happened and now all I can do is play 30 minutes a day, like the huge majority of those who are not 20 old any more. Also see the numbers of some MMOs catering for them vs numbers for EvE.

It's not easily feasible to log in and play EvE in this much common situation. Too short time to arrange something, all I could do if I mined would be to train trading on the mining alt that would sit somewhere in The Forge or another market hub and do 2 things. Then do PI while the ship keeps mining.

Is it optimal? NO. Does i suck? Certainly.

Should I quit EvE over this? Maybe, but if all those unable to enjoy EvE at its fullest would do that, then you'd see the numbers decimated. I am indeed slowly moving over to Entropia. Sandbox. (Obligatory) PvP when in space. Full player loot and every item is RL cash paid for (which makes EvE softcore lolgame in comparison). It allows me to log in and do little when I can't play a lot though.
Are you guys really after this? Because you want to kill the bots and CCP Sreegs seems damn good at it. You want to kill the zero fit wankers? Good. But no you want to go beyond that, you have idiots theorizing WW2 manifestos over it FFS.

Yes but

1) I feel Helicity has been abused out of his original idea and I want to keep something unique tied to him
2) I know you are the subsidizers, Helicity did the prizes for objectives though. I HATE subsidizing as a concept, therefore I'll stick with him.

Are you sure you can anchor cans so close each other?
How do GSCs fit with the "mine aligned, morons" advices?

Grats on missing the point, I still hear the woooooosh.

Try enter in the human mentality.
3 months ago if a guy got popped he'd immediately create his sh1tty thread and people would tell him to HTFU.
The kindest could have written a guide instead (like yours) and linked it and some people would have considered you an helper.
If you post it now, in the same thread where others are dissing miners, preaching their rightful Goebel-powered Final Solution, since you also don't show a lot of empathy you WILL be put together the psychos. It's just how things work.

I also did the Tech predictions, you can find my graphs made in those days. I also predicted (and put my own player drop graph in Akita T thread) the drop of players due to crappy expansions and also how harsh it'd have been.

As for CCP listening for a category or the other, well by contributing keeping the tension high for some more weeks, you will push CCP into doing something. If those complaining about having got popped were left to their usual 2-3 snide remarks the waters would return calm, like they have done for years.

Certainly if you help keep these topics continuously bumped to the top, something will be done.

Edit: don't you see my game? I want CCP to change this crappy profession into something that entices players to not want to go AFK. Look at how attention catching is Utopia mining. It CAN be done better.

Both Mittani and me are doing a Decshield-alike operation: by cracking the system till people revolt, it will push CCP to change it.

Welcome to our sandbox.

If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times).

Wait. So the contest is to mine "like an average miner", and that means solo. But so many of the "I'm going to unsub" threats have multiple accounts. The OP has even mentioned pulling the plug on 4 miner accounts.

Also, is 300mil a lot of isk in highsec?

What does AFK cloaking have to do with highsec mining?

Personally, i am not affected by AFK cloakers in any way, so i can't really care less.

I don't make video's for free. GǪ I am unable to play for 2 hours everyday, so I will commit to mining for 4 hours each day I play to compensate.

300M is almost the income per hour you can get in the best hi sec group content (incursions) done in a not super pimp boat.

300M ISK/hr in a non-pimped incursion boat?

Did I miss a [sarcasm] tag or something?

You can mine in a Rokh just fine in 30min. There are, as you found, plenty of things to do with just 30min playtimes.

Has Helicity said that he doesn't like the goonswarm backing? If not, then sounds like he doesn't feel abused.

Warp to station every cycle, morons. That better? I suggest more than one solution to every problem, then you pick one and say you don't like it. That's how this discussion's been going. I invite you to take all 13 suggestions I've made (full list is in the other thread) and explain to me a single situation in which ALL 13 don't work or are legitimately unsatisfactory AT THE SAME TIME.

Makes sense, they come teached by ISDs in rookie chat to become miners (like I did) what ships to get, what skills to train, they get pointed to Halada's miner guide listing the ships. They buy those ships and feel accomplished and then some weeks later (if ever) they read they did all wrong, should have trained a combat ship, should have chosen different stats, prioritized other implants...

At least acknowldege it's a shoddy kick in the balls and counter intuitive to say the least. Game should not require to read GD.
.

I usually posted one or two suggestions like that in gank threads I posted on.

Either Hulks need a buff or they don't. Player actions do not change game mechanics.

The Mittani is organizing this because it makes ISK for the GSF. He's driving the Tech price up to milk it for all its worth before it gets nerfed.

As for whatever Sub Decline projections you've made, that's not something you can make the way Akita's Tech graphs were made. Right now, Subs have been climbing since Incarna's drop, so I don't think GêPHAG is causing a drop in Subs to begin with.

You're aware that advice given by ISDs is not indicative of any direction CCP intends for new players to take, right?

What needs a buff is to remove concord and put players. Even just temporarily and for a requester, like war dec ally mechanic works.

Makes sense, they come teached by ISDs in rookie chat to become miners (like I did) what ships to get, what skills to train, they get pointed to Halada's miner guide listing the ships. They buy those ships and feel accomplished and then some weeks later (if ever) they read they did all wrong, should have trained a combat ship, should have chosen different stats, prioritized other implants...

At least acknowldege it's a shoddy kick in the balls and counter intuitive to say the least. Game should not require to read GD.

I feel he has been abused, it's my sponsor money I do what I want with it.

You can also daily wipe your butt with sandpaper. It works.

While ofc course your ideas work, tbh I'd prefer risking losing a ship than adopting them, because it's a game not a crucifixion. And if losing the ship would be too often I'd switch doing any other easier task including doing anoms in low sec, doing WHs. But never in 0.0, because since they DEMAND people to go 0.0 I will unsub before I obey.

No matter your profession, Eve will kick you in the balls with a steel-toed boot many times over. That's where "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" comes from. Also, if that's not the first lesson being taught to any player, at all, ever, then someone screwed up. Every lesson you can ever learn in Eve comes back to that core idea, that once you hit Undock, all bets are off.

They already have that in-game, it's called lowsec and nullsec. Oh wait, you don't want the downsides that come with that, do you?

Nullsec is worthless for what I care.
Lowsec is actually my favored place, so try this on someone else, mkay?

I'll Recap.

1. Continue Mining like normal and Accept the losses
2. Continue Mining as normal but in a Covetor and Accept the losses
3. Mine in a Rokh, comfortably immune* to Suicide Ganks
4. Tank your Hulk and Accept a lower number of Losses from edge case profit based ganks.
5. Tank your Hulk with RR and be comfortable immune to Suicide Ganks
6. Mine in a Normally Fit Hulk but use a short range D-Scan to escape ganks
7. Set up safespots such that you can maintain a rough orbit in range of a roid by aligning to each BM in turn
8. Set up Hulks to Web each other, mine aligned to 1 SS at 7m/s (warpable speed) (can be done @ max yield)
9. Watch local for known gankers, accept the occasional gank from unknown ganks
10. Mine in Mission pockets.
11. Mine in Grav Sites, occasionally scanning D-Scan
12. Tank your Hulk and have friends in BLAP AC Nados ready to shoot (one should kill a Cat before you die, failing the gank)
13. Tank your Hulk and have friends with ECM
14. Tank your Hulk and run 5x Med ECM drones and accept that you'll die if they fail
15. Mine in Lowsec (can be done solo in a quiet system)
16. Mine in Null (can be done solo in a quiet NPC sov system)
17. Mine in WH space

*all cases of immunity from Suicide Ganks assume profit-based ganks. Non-Profit based ganks are rare and are not something that can be negated by game mechanics changes besides eliminating ganks, thus can be ignored.

Show me a person's situation where ALL of those will not work.

Good for you! Doesn't mean your suggestion to allow the importation of convenient low/null features into highsec temporarily and without the associated downsides isn't mind-numbingly ******** though.

Hulks needing a buff? Lol no. Macks maybe, they suck so royally hard yet they are also meant to be in 0.0.

What needs a buff is to remove concord and put players. Even just temporarily and for a requester, like war dec ally mechanic works.

Wanna bet with me that the next week suicide ganking suddenly halts? Because don't lie to me, the suicide gankers are spineless hi seccers grazing on the short bus citizens, if they EVER found opposition they'd stop and create 100 times as many threads on GD than miners do.

1) I don't like Mittani but I hold him in higher consideration than you do. He's not stupid, he can easily manage a basic multi-layer agenda. Who did a lot for EvE when in the CSM again?

2) Like FET transistors, I play "base" and convey people to do what I desire by using other people's high power infrastructures. Sometimes it works (i.e. nitro isotopes first peak) sometimes it does not but it's worth trying, metagame > all.

3) My predictions made before Incarna regarded Incarna. Did you see predictions or posts of mine about the next playerbase drops, due to hulkageddon? No, eh? Why? Because I am actually helped if people quits over this.

18. Invite concord to your mining party so you don't have to wait 30 seconds for it to arrive.

Why, do you prefer a PLAYER DRIVEN game or NPC WoW crap? I am all for having all player driven everywhere even in high sec.

Some of those don't work (tried the orbit around something still easy to kill), some are impractical, some are excellent, but I chose 18 (don't mine) and am quite happy with it.

Can't comment on the consensus you'll get at people having a Ferrari since years that the best they should do is to put it in garage, downgrade to Honda and similar but that's not something me or you can do anything about.

Makes sense, they come teached by ISDs in rookie chat to become miners (like I did) what ships to get, what skills to train, they get pointed to Halada's miner guide listing the ships. They buy those ships and feel accomplished and then some weeks later (if ever) they read they did all wrong, should have trained a combat ship, should have chosen different stats, prioritized other implants...

Orbiting is not "Press Orbit" it's "Make 4+ Safes around your belt. Align to each one in turn so you are always aligned to something warpable at full speed while staying in range of your roid. If a hostile lands, insta-warp to your safe.

You totally missed that ^. Also, mining in WH space? That's like... pretty dangerous, unless you want to spend half your life probing for and closing WH into your system and even then you won't know for sure if anyone else is in there .

I'd rather watch videos of old women being shoved out of airplanes.

That's the problem. Mining dulls the brain. Your reaction time reduces the longer you mine for. It can take 30 seconds or more to recognise the situation might be problematic and execute the warp!

The point of the OP was that no-one is going to sit staring at the screen for two hours a day just to make 30M ISK.

You walked into that one with your eyes wide open.

You totally missed that ^. Also, mining in WH space? That's like... pretty dangerous, unless you want to spend half your life probing for and closing WH into your system and even then you won't know for sure if anyone else is in there .

4) You must be in Caldari space.

Solution: Amphetamines. Worked for Radar Operators in the '80s.

If the players couldn't shoot until someone goes GCC and couldn't warp to a spot until GCC, sure. I'll bet ganks skyrocket.