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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2012.06.01 23:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Roisin Saoirse wrote:The idea that it's an exploit is nonsense. GǪaside from CCP saying that it's an exploit. Quote:If you just delete the alt and create a new one with a different name there's not a thing CCP can do about it, nor can anyone prove you did it to shed the negative sec. GǪaside from the GMs, which can check the account history and ban you.
and while I hate to agree, they could prob check your IP as well.
Anyway you could just train up a character on any account to the right lvl then just use that character rather than your main as well.
Tal
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Arcticblue2
Nordic Freelancers inc
48
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:01:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Tippia wrote:Roisin Saoirse wrote:The idea that it's an exploit is nonsense. GǪaside from CCP saying that it's an exploit. Quote:If you just delete the alt and create a new one with a different name there's not a thing CCP can do about it, nor can anyone prove you did it to shed the negative sec. GǪaside from the GMs, which can check the account history and ban you. and while I hate to agree, they could prob check your IP as well. Anyway you could just train up a character on any account to the right lvl then just use that character rather than your main as well. Tal
how far can you train a trial acount ? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7619
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:01:00 -
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The thing about the whole GÇ£onoz, alt recyclingGÇ¥ issue is that it's such a complete non-issue.
There is absolutely no need for gankers to recycle their alts GÇö doing so is just a waste of time. By design, those outlaw alts are already allowed to roam highsec pretty freely and can easily be supplied with ships if need be. So if anything, people should kind of be happy if they keep recycling their alts because that means they're wasting money (or PLEX) on game time that they don't get anything for, and they end up with far weaker gank characters than they would otherwise have.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Be a smarter newbie, don't fall into the trap of lvl V skills. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
328
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:02:00 -
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Arcticblue2 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Tippia wrote:Roisin Saoirse wrote:The idea that it's an exploit is nonsense. GǪaside from CCP saying that it's an exploit. Quote:If you just delete the alt and create a new one with a different name there's not a thing CCP can do about it, nor can anyone prove you did it to shed the negative sec. GǪaside from the GMs, which can check the account history and ban you. and while I hate to agree, they could prob check your IP as well. Anyway you could just train up a character on any account to the right lvl then just use that character rather than your main as well. Tal how far can you train a trial acount ?
Not talking a trial account.
Tal
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Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Roisin Saoirse wrote:The idea that it's an exploit is nonsense. GǪaside from CCP saying that it's an exploit. Quote:If you just delete the alt and create a new one with a different name there's not a thing CCP can do about it, nor can anyone prove you did it to shed the negative sec. GǪaside from the GMs, which can check the account history and ban you.
They would only be assuming that was why you'd deleted it, there's no way to prove one way or the other. Heck I've created dozens of characters, changed my mind and deleted them and recreated another and there's no way to determine why I did it.
And let's be honest here, does anyone actually take CCP bans seriously? |
baltec1
1313
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:04:00 -
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Arcticblue2 wrote:
how far can you train a trial acount ?
Enough to kill an untanked barge or hauler. Far easyer to just train up a alt and keep it at -10 though. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
328
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The thing about the whole GÇ£onoz, alt recyclingGÇ¥ issue is that it's such a complete non-issue.
There is absolutely no need for gankers to recycle their alts GÇö doing so is just a waste of time. By design, those outlaw alts are already allowed to roam highsec pretty freely and can easily be supplied with ships if need be. So if anything, people should kind of be happy if they keep recycling their alts because that means they're wasting money (or PLEX) on game time that they don't get anything for, and they end up with far weaker gank characters than they would otherwise have.
Yeah but if they are wasting money or plex, it doesn't really matter to me at all, its their cash at the end of the day, but your right you don't need to recycle anyway,
Forget I mentioned it.
Tal
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7619
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:09:00 -
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Roisin Saoirse wrote:They would only be assuming that was why you'd deleted it, there's no way to prove one way or the other. There's this neat little thing called Gǣpattern recognitionGǥGǪ
Quote:And let's be honest here, does anyone actually take CCP bans seriously? Those who get banned for it generally do.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Be a smarter newbie, don't fall into the trap of lvl V skills. |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:11:00 -
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Holy shite the tears.
You dipshites in empire think that CCP and Concord should save your asses every time a player with a negative security status wants to hunt you down and kill you.
How about this, you fuksticks put away your bots and play the game, pay attention and stop watching Netflix while your mining instead of hiding behind a sense of false security that CCP and Concord dont provide. Until then I endorse Mittens extension of Hulkageddon and hope you lose a shite ton of hulks !
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Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Roisin Saoirse wrote:They would only be assuming that was why you'd deleted it, there's no way to prove one way or the other. There's this neat little thing called Gǣpattern recognitionGǥGǪ Quote:And let's be honest here, does anyone actually take CCP bans seriously? Those who get banned for it generally do.
Pattern recognition is also inherently unreliable except in a few niche cases that have a limited set of variables. If I'd accidentally ended up with a negative sec status (maybe due to a new player not understanding the rules on aggression), then proceeded to delete my character and start a new one, this would likely be identified in the same way as if I'd intentionally gone out and attempted a gank. Of course, it would depend on the variables the system was tracking, but none of them can identify the will behind the action and are therefore guesstimates at best.
I've known a couple of people who have received bans who generally thought it was hilarious, mainly because they knew they'd continue to train and nothing really permanent would happen. Ofc both actively set out to get banned so that might not be the best example.  |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1090
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:37:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Fiddler Hays wrote:In my opinion as someone that has been playing this game for years, the only way to stop all the angst with the industrialist gamer is to truly have CONCORD do its job. If a person has committed enough crimes to have excluded themselves from piloting a ship in hi-sec, they should not be allowed to fly around tanking CONCORD until they strike again. These people have a means of raising their security status. Let them do the time and suffer the consequences of hi-sec crime. Otherwise, the "realism" of criminal status is pointless. They already nerfed suicide ganking by making it more difficult to reclaim security status. So...you're asking for "one more nerf"? 
Why do you need to reclaim sec status? You can kill any number of ships at -10 with no penalty whatsoever beyond reshipping in space.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1090
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
You will get banned for that, report anyone doing it.
Everyone know the chance of getting caught is about 1E-40.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7619
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:43:00 -
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Roisin Saoirse wrote:Pattern recognition is also inherently unreliable As luck would have it, that doesn't particularly matter because the GMs' word is final.
Quote:If I'd accidentally ended up with a negative sec status (maybe due to a new player not understanding the rules on aggression), then proceeded to delete my character and start a new one, this would likely be identified in the same way as if I'd intentionally gone out and attempted a gank. No, it likely would not, because there is no pattern in it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Be a smarter newbie, don't fall into the trap of lvl V skills. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:45:00 -
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So much misinformation in the OP it has to be a clever troll, or a totally invalid opinion due to being based on false information. |
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