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Jensia
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Posted - 2004.10.18 12:45:00 -
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I dont know where to put a stand in this.
I myself am a missile ***** caracal flyer and fire off 4 heavy missiles and defender occasionally from a standard launcher. This all ties in with my lvl 3 agent missions where rewards (+bonus) can be anything from 40k, - 500k, then + whatever other items you may be given. Over the last weekend i made over 25mil, which supprised me, 9mil was from selling 2x perception implants and then another 8 mil was made from selling a load of tech2 chip compoments.
Theres a nice sucsess story for u, however thats me choosing combat as a way of life.
thats 1 argument
The other is my alt, is a lvl 10 miner and lvl 10 refiner with all the donglie bits, with ore efficiency thingie lvl 3 on all but ak, crot, and that newer ore. however i strip mine in an apoc scordie  yes scordie is great, however with about 2-3 hrs of mining i'll only get about 6-7 mil profit, after refining and selling the tril at 2 and pyrite at 6.
So the pros of mining are its safe from pvpers, (in 0.5 and above) however inless ur strip mining its not actually all that profitable compared to agent kill missions.
Pros for Agent missions, more fun, (except your first mordos mission  ) then theres the chance of good bounties / loot (plenty of names stuff), and release from the bordom of mining.
Saying that theres nothing like a good old mining bash when ur in a group, as the numbers seem to make the constant moving the mouse from left to right less irritating.
To end my Waffling, gest bet is to find an area of space u think u'll like to mine, then goto the station and do agent missions for that station, as that will reduce the 5% station fee of refining ore. then then you have made your big isk from killing things etc, you can allways get into a miner (ships mentioned earlier are good miners) and do mining if ou want a slower paced view of eve.
waffle, waffle, waffle
 
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Jensia
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Posted - 2004.10.18 12:45:00 -
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I dont know where to put a stand in this.
I myself am a missile ***** caracal flyer and fire off 4 heavy missiles and defender occasionally from a standard launcher. This all ties in with my lvl 3 agent missions where rewards (+bonus) can be anything from 40k, - 500k, then + whatever other items you may be given. Over the last weekend i made over 25mil, which supprised me, 9mil was from selling 2x perception implants and then another 8 mil was made from selling a load of tech2 chip compoments.
Theres a nice sucsess story for u, however thats me choosing combat as a way of life.
thats 1 argument
The other is my alt, is a lvl 10 miner and lvl 10 refiner with all the donglie bits, with ore efficiency thingie lvl 3 on all but ak, crot, and that newer ore. however i strip mine in an apoc scordie yes scordie is great, however with about 2-3 hrs of mining i'll only get about 6-7 mil profit, after refining and selling the tril at 2 and pyrite at 6.
So the pros of mining are its safe from pvpers, (in 0.5 and above) however inless ur strip mining its not actually all that profitable compared to agent kill missions.
Pros for Agent missions, more fun, (except your first mordos mission ) then theres the chance of good bounties / loot (plenty of names stuff), and release from the bordom of mining.
Saying that theres nothing like a good old mining bash when ur in a group, as the numbers seem to make the constant moving the mouse from left to right less irritating.
To end my Waffling, gest bet is to find an area of space u think u'll like to mine, then goto the station and do agent missions for that station, as that will reduce the 5% station fee of refining ore. then then you have made your big isk from killing things etc, you can allways get into a miner (ships mentioned earlier are good miners) and do mining if ou want a slower paced view of eve.
waffle, waffle, waffle
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2004.10.18 12:56:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: hatchette
Definitely.. missions are more profitable than mining in empire... also safer if you want to mine in 0.1-0.4
I think emperor family does not have lvl4 security agents.. other corps that give out implants other than perception also don't have lvl4 security agents... this will make +4 implants (other than perception) very expensive...
Emperor's Fam has 1 Lvl 4 -8 Qual Internal security agent loacated in Soumi.
Here are some other non-Navy non perc giving compaines and their lvl 4 kill agent locations.
Dulcia Foundry - Security- Qual 18 - Larryn System
Civic Court - Internal Security - 2 agents - Quals - -18 and +4 - Ajna and Salha Systems
Zoar and Sons - Security - 2 Agents - Quals =16 and +12 - Thashkarai and Ashokon Systems
Those are just a couple Amarr examples, I know there's some Caldari ones as well, those are the factions I use.
If anyone needs any assistance or anything with mission info etc, you can always contact myself or another UMW member, missions are what we do, and we're already running and analyzing lvl 4 kill missions on the Shiva test server so we're ready for release. Most of these kill missions will pwn a solo runner, I've already lost a couple bs's... lol.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2004.10.18 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
Definitely.. missions are more profitable than mining in empire... also safer if you want to mine in 0.1-0.4
I think emperor family does not have lvl4 security agents.. other corps that give out implants other than perception also don't have lvl4 security agents... this will make +4 implants (other than perception) very expensive...
Emperor's Fam has 1 Lvl 4 -8 Qual Internal security agent loacated in Soumi.
Here are some other non-Navy non perc giving compaines and their lvl 4 kill agent locations.
Dulcia Foundry - Security- Qual 18 - Larryn System
Civic Court - Internal Security - 2 agents - Quals - -18 and +4 - Ajna and Salha Systems
Zoar and Sons - Security - 2 Agents - Quals =16 and +12 - Thashkarai and Ashokon Systems
Those are just a couple Amarr examples, I know there's some Caldari ones as well, those are the factions I use.
If anyone needs any assistance or anything with mission info etc, you can always contact myself or another UMW member, missions are what we do, and we're already running and analyzing lvl 4 kill missions on the Shiva test server so we're ready for release. Most of these kill missions will pwn a solo runner, I've already lost a couple bs's... lol.
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.10.19 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Adhamhnon
Originally by: hatchette
Definitely.. missions are more profitable than mining in empire... also safer if you want to mine in 0.1-0.4
I think emperor family does not have lvl4 security agents.. other corps that give out implants other than perception also don't have lvl4 security agents... this will make +4 implants (other than perception) very expensive...
Emperor's Fam has 1 Lvl 4 -8 Qual Internal security agent loacated in Soumi.
Here are some other non-Navy non perc giving compaines and their lvl 4 kill agent locations.
Dulcia Foundry - Security- Qual 18 - Larryn System
Civic Court - Internal Security - 2 agents - Quals - -18 and +4 - Ajna and Salha Systems
Zoar and Sons - Security - 2 Agents - Quals =16 and +12 - Thashkarai and Ashokon Systems
Those are just a couple Amarr examples, I know there's some Caldari ones as well, those are the factions I use.
If anyone needs any assistance or anything with mission info etc, you can always contact myself or another UMW member, missions are what we do, and we're already running and analyzing lvl 4 kill missions on the Shiva test server so we're ready for release. Most of these kill missions will pwn a solo runner, I've already lost a couple bs's... lol.
Exactly. you need multipule people to run most of the lvl 4 missions. if you put that same amount of people to work mining something decent (you can find kernite easily in .7 systems) you'll pull in much more isk at a much steadier rate. You can also have a bad day of agenting, no implants crappy loot, bad rewards. while you know what your doing when mining :P. MIssions are just a lot more fun to do, mining gives you the o so great brain numbing
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.10.19 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Adhamhnon
Originally by: hatchette
Definitely.. missions are more profitable than mining in empire... also safer if you want to mine in 0.1-0.4
I think emperor family does not have lvl4 security agents.. other corps that give out implants other than perception also don't have lvl4 security agents... this will make +4 implants (other than perception) very expensive...
Emperor's Fam has 1 Lvl 4 -8 Qual Internal security agent loacated in Soumi.
Here are some other non-Navy non perc giving compaines and their lvl 4 kill agent locations.
Dulcia Foundry - Security- Qual 18 - Larryn System
Civic Court - Internal Security - 2 agents - Quals - -18 and +4 - Ajna and Salha Systems
Zoar and Sons - Security - 2 Agents - Quals =16 and +12 - Thashkarai and Ashokon Systems
Those are just a couple Amarr examples, I know there's some Caldari ones as well, those are the factions I use.
If anyone needs any assistance or anything with mission info etc, you can always contact myself or another UMW member, missions are what we do, and we're already running and analyzing lvl 4 kill missions on the Shiva test server so we're ready for release. Most of these kill missions will pwn a solo runner, I've already lost a couple bs's... lol.
Exactly. you need multipule people to run most of the lvl 4 missions. if you put that same amount of people to work mining something decent (you can find kernite easily in .7 systems) you'll pull in much more isk at a much steadier rate. You can also have a bad day of agenting, no implants crappy loot, bad rewards. while you know what your doing when mining :P. MIssions are just a lot more fun to do, mining gives you the o so great brain numbing
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Kroy
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Posted - 2004.10.20 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kroy on 20/10/2004 14:20:10
"Is mining a good source of money?"
Yes.
;-)
Mining will continually flow Isk, because someone always wants to buy your ore/minerals. Slow, but steady. I made 10 mill in a few hours mining Empire after only a couple of months of playing. My corpmate did missions solidly for weeks and eventually got an implant mission. From a standing start, slow and steady isk flow from mining is more reliable than agent missions imo. In the longer term, I guess the posts above answer that.
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Kroy
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Posted - 2004.10.20 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kroy on 20/10/2004 14:20:10
"Is mining a good source of money?"
Yes.
;-)
Mining will continually flow Isk, because someone always wants to buy your ore/minerals. Slow, but steady. I made 10 mill in a few hours mining Empire after only a couple of months of playing. My corpmate did missions solidly for weeks and eventually got an implant mission. From a standing start, slow and steady isk flow from mining is more reliable than agent missions imo. In the longer term, I guess the posts above answer that.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.10.21 06:55:00 -
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Quote:
I made 10 mill in a few hours mining Empire after only a couple of months of playing
That's really nothing to be proud of...
Rather do lvl3 kill missions.. i would suggest you do them for gallente.. those guardian sentries and troopers are droping named cargo expanders like mad.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.10.21 06:55:00 -
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Quote:
I made 10 mill in a few hours mining Empire after only a couple of months of playing
That's really nothing to be proud of...
Rather do lvl3 kill missions.. i would suggest you do them for gallente.. those guardian sentries and troopers are droping named cargo expanders like mad.
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2004.10.22 23:34:00 -
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only mining zyd /mega / morphite is more profitable, and I use an apoc with level 5 mining skills at level 4 astrology, mining jaspet one of the top end roids in empire space you can make approx 2 mil per hour for lots of work, running level 3 kill your looking at at least 3-4 mil an hour for not even doing much (that includes loot/mission rewards/ the occasional implant/loot you can sell and tech 2 components)
Scordite is the most valuable empire-level ore. If you want to stay in 0.5 and up, mine scordite.
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2004.10.22 23:34:00 -
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Quote:
only mining zyd /mega / morphite is more profitable, and I use an apoc with level 5 mining skills at level 4 astrology, mining jaspet one of the top end roids in empire space you can make approx 2 mil per hour for lots of work, running level 3 kill your looking at at least 3-4 mil an hour for not even doing much (that includes loot/mission rewards/ the occasional implant/loot you can sell and tech 2 components)
Scordite is the most valuable empire-level ore. If you want to stay in 0.5 and up, mine scordite.
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Jensia
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Posted - 2004.10.25 12:37:00 -
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Galleate combat missions. hmm... I suppose i could do them however i think my standings with gal aren't all that good atm. tho if what you say is true i may have to buy that diplomacy skill.
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Jensia
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Posted - 2004.10.25 12:37:00 -
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Galleate combat missions. hmm... I suppose i could do them however i think my standings with gal aren't all that good atm. tho if what you say is true i may have to buy that diplomacy skill.
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Lorandello
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Posted - 2004.10.26 11:56:00 -
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What are the skill requirements for the mining barges?
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Lorandello
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Posted - 2004.10.26 11:56:00 -
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What are the skill requirements for the mining barges?
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Aina Stormborn
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Posted - 2004.10.28 14:02:00 -
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I am in EVE for one week now and I did about 4 mio in cash, I own several ships and have 32 skills with 200000 SP.
Mining fairly did the money, and hell its not boring at all. How could earn money be boring at all?????
Aina
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Aina Stormborn
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Posted - 2004.10.28 14:02:00 -
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I am in EVE for one week now and I did about 4 mio in cash, I own several ships and have 32 skills with 200000 SP.
Mining fairly did the money, and hell its not boring at all. How could earn money be boring at all?????
Aina
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:21:00 -
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Mining how? If it's for a greater good (like a corporation), then yes, most certainly. Even when mining in Empire space, mining is a great source of income for a corporation.
If it's for yourself only (which I do suspect), then it entirely depends on what type of ore you mine (as said earlier in this thread). If you're going for high end ore types, then it can be very profitable, but generally it's less profitable than other sources of income.
When I started, I personally mined until I had about 3 million isk, bought enough skills to learn and a nice ship to do missions in, and invested the 3 mill into trading. It did take a while for my investments to become profitable, but in the end I gained 2 mill by just investing and trading it again. That doesn't include additional income I gained by doing missions et al.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:21:00 -
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Mining how? If it's for a greater good (like a corporation), then yes, most certainly. Even when mining in Empire space, mining is a great source of income for a corporation.
If it's for yourself only (which I do suspect), then it entirely depends on what type of ore you mine (as said earlier in this thread). If you're going for high end ore types, then it can be very profitable, but generally it's less profitable than other sources of income.
When I started, I personally mined until I had about 3 million isk, bought enough skills to learn and a nice ship to do missions in, and invested the 3 mill into trading. It did take a while for my investments to become profitable, but in the end I gained 2 mill by just investing and trading it again. That doesn't include additional income I gained by doing missions et al.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.10.31 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reddak
Hi im wondering is mining a good sourc eof money flow or should i do missions and if mining is the best soruce where shuld i go for god ore and money.
mining is the easiest source of isk.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.10.31 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reddak
Hi im wondering is mining a good sourc eof money flow or should i do missions and if mining is the best soruce where shuld i go for god ore and money.
mining is the easiest source of isk.
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Fatimah Ardishapur
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Posted - 2004.11.01 20:11:00 -
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I believe the original question was is Mining profitable...answer is yes! For the amount of ISK one invests into mining/ risk involded and skills trained....mining is very profitable.
Also, when you join a Corp., mining becomes even more important. Miners bring badly needed minerals which manufacturer's can provide for the "whole" Corp.
Mining can also promote a means to involve other members/ players into socializing, as many Corps do Gang mining. Gaurds, Haulers and Miners usually work together and profits usually shared. It's a good way to make friends.
As for AGENT Mission's, they need to make them more group friendly. Rewards needs to be better fitted for groups rather than individuals, this means increasing rewards but also making missions alot tougher than they are now. Lvl 4 missions are a good direction, but as of now all I see from agent runners are a bunch of soloists talking smack about their exploits. I'd feel a better sense of accomplishment if I was able to form a Full Gang or 2 even and do some real Epic missions.
Too much loner happening's on EVE but thats another Topic itself.
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Fatimah Ardishapur
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Posted - 2004.11.01 20:11:00 -
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I believe the original question was is Mining profitable...answer is yes! For the amount of ISK one invests into mining/ risk involded and skills trained....mining is very profitable.
Also, when you join a Corp., mining becomes even more important. Miners bring badly needed minerals which manufacturer's can provide for the "whole" Corp.
Mining can also promote a means to involve other members/ players into socializing, as many Corps do Gang mining. Gaurds, Haulers and Miners usually work together and profits usually shared. It's a good way to make friends.
As for AGENT Mission's, they need to make them more group friendly. Rewards needs to be better fitted for groups rather than individuals, this means increasing rewards but also making missions alot tougher than they are now. Lvl 4 missions are a good direction, but as of now all I see from agent runners are a bunch of soloists talking smack about their exploits. I'd feel a better sense of accomplishment if I was able to form a Full Gang or 2 even and do some real Epic missions.
Too much loner happening's on EVE but thats another Topic itself.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:38:00 -
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1:Buy minerals from people in your local constellation to collect names.
2:Send all major and serious sellers of minerals an EVEmail discussing your desire for all locals to engage in price-fixing agreements in your high volume area. Agree on a weekly rise in prices. 5 cents a pyerite is a good number as it is dropping lately. Put up small cans on jumpgates advertising the local miners' union prices.
3:Buy out the impatient small timers and those that do not do the same. Be Patient and Profit.
Eventually, you will be THE major buyer and seller of a mineral locally, pushing up both the sell and buy prices and skimming off the top margin daily. Producers only manufacture for themselves and really, they will pay ANYTHING for convenience on the edge of empire space.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:38:00 -
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1:Buy minerals from people in your local constellation to collect names.
2:Send all major and serious sellers of minerals an EVEmail discussing your desire for all locals to engage in price-fixing agreements in your high volume area. Agree on a weekly rise in prices. 5 cents a pyerite is a good number as it is dropping lately. Put up small cans on jumpgates advertising the local miners' union prices.
3:Buy out the impatient small timers and those that do not do the same. Be Patient and Profit.
Eventually, you will be THE major buyer and seller of a mineral locally, pushing up both the sell and buy prices and skimming off the top margin daily. Producers only manufacture for themselves and really, they will pay ANYTHING for convenience on the edge of empire space.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:49:00 -
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Also, if ccp continues to pay agent flunkies more, there will be fewer and fewer miners as the prices they fetch per hour of work fails to keep up with rampant inflation. It's simply not a function of market reaction, rare as that ever is. On the plus side, implants will become "cheaper" even though your savings shrink.
Lvl IV kill agents are the one thing I don't like about exodus. Huge money sinks targetted at agent runners are needed to compensate for the inflation they cause. The word Lustration keeps popping up in my mind every time I read about them..
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:49:00 -
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Also, if ccp continues to pay agent flunkies more, there will be fewer and fewer miners as the prices they fetch per hour of work fails to keep up with rampant inflation. It's simply not a function of market reaction, rare as that ever is. On the plus side, implants will become "cheaper" even though your savings shrink.
Lvl IV kill agents are the one thing I don't like about exodus. Huge money sinks targetted at agent runners are needed to compensate for the inflation they cause. The word Lustration keeps popping up in my mind every time I read about them..
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Yasshiel
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Posted - 2004.11.12 14:38:00 -
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what i like about mining is i can make nearly the same money from an agent runner but doing it semi-afk while working ^_^
kinda like this way.. a friend of mine was a lvl3 agent runner makes about 150mil a week.. i make about roughly the same amount of isk mining scordites on .7+ systems on an apoc while making some real world money working on a job while my friend play on the PC the whole day =D
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Yasshiel
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Posted - 2004.11.12 14:38:00 -
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what i like about mining is i can make nearly the same money from an agent runner but doing it semi-afk while working ^_^
kinda like this way.. a friend of mine was a lvl3 agent runner makes about 150mil a week.. i make about roughly the same amount of isk mining scordites on .7+ systems on an apoc while making some real world money working on a job while my friend play on the PC the whole day =D
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