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Mystical Dawn Minmatar Nomadic Angels	Posted - 2009.08.30 21:19:00 - [1] Seriously, not a single large war going on? Latest sov map...click here. Not even ten sov changes. Napfest killed EVE? GoonSwarm is worse for EVE than BoB ever was? NC? Come on, as 0.0 news, politics, drama fan recent two months has been BORING...
Sabriele Amarr Department of Defence Prismatic Refraction	Posted - 2009.08.30 21:35:00 - [2] I shooted a rat in 0.0 today. It was epic.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.08.30 21:40:00 - [3] There is space outside of high-sec? Why wasn't I told of this?
Seraph Castillon Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.30 21:54:00 - [4] There are threads about this all the time. If you don't like it, get out there and start a fight.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.08.30 22:00:00 - [5] Razor has taken space in the south. About the only interesting thing lately. Just because no sov changes doesnt mean no pvp. Small gang pvp is more fun, and with Dust's changes to sov claiming it looks like people don't want to fight pointless wars for the moment.
Jolla Skyia	Posted - 2009.08.30 22:02:00 - [6] Is this a bad goon alt troll topic? Everyone knows that Goons only want 3 things.. Kill Bob, Ruin Eve and make every topic in COAD somehow about them.
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.08.30 22:03:00 - [7] sov, capital ships, and alliances killed 0.0. To fix it they would need to reverse these three things.
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2009.08.30 22:37:00 - [8] I didnt believe a stable 0.0 was even possible but no large scale means lots more small scale maybe? and thats a good thing ----------------- My EvE Comic
Mystical Dawn Minmatar Nomadic Angels	Posted - 2009.08.30 22:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Saint Lazarus but no large scale means lots more small scale maybe? and thats a good thing Just browse the killboards too...it's too quiet.
Mystical Dawn Minmatar Nomadic Angels	Posted - 2009.08.30 22:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Jolla Skyia Is this a bad goon alt troll topic? No. I have no relations to any 0.0 space holding alliance or corporation or any entity trying to achieve space. Sure I have been there in the past, and retired, but still big fan of what's going on in zero zero.

Seraph Castillon Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.30 23:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Saint Lazarus I didnt believe a stable 0.0 was even possible Why not? Theoretically it's perfectly possible. The only problem is that once it is reached the game stops being fun. The alliances part of the ruling coalition would have no outsiders to fight as they have all been taken care of. And attacking an other coalition member would ensure them destruction at the hands of the remaining alliances. Other outside alliances would not be able to take on this powerbloc as they would simply be outlasted in an endurance war against the rich spaceholding coalition. If/once this state is reached there would be 2 possible outcomes. 1) Part of the game dies pushing EVE into a downward spiral leading to it's slow death. 2) Due to boredom, lack of fights, objectives and fading leadership, the powerbloc starts to collapse and the up till now powerless alliances come running out of empire to feast on the carcass. 0.0 is reborn.
tla s'hpyt	Posted - 2009.08.30 23:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Mystical Dawn GoonSwarm is worse for EVE than BoB ever was? It took you this long to notice? and they say eve players are smart
Berdoff Manard	Posted - 2009.08.31 00:41:00 - [13] Edited by: Berdoff Manard on 31/08/2009 00:46:37 Edited by: Berdoff Manard on 31/08/2009 00:42:48 Anyone who thinks that the lack of sov changes on the map is somehow indicative of less fun happening in 0.0 has clearly never actually spent much time fighting for sov, much less on an alliance/region-wide level. The endless shoot pos/rep pos cycle is everything that is wrong with 0.0. The alliances that are slowly being kicked out of the east/southeast are fun to shoot just because of how terrible they are at this game but at the end of the day everything from querious around the south to the drone regions is awful space that nobody with space elsewhere needs or wants to be bothered with actually taking for themselves. The issue of most 0.0 being godawful worthless space is its own problem which is currently being addressed by the CSM, so look for a resolution sometime in the next decade.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.08.31 00:47:00 - [14] unless you live in 0.0, then you shouldn't worry about the wars out there. and to give you some perspective, theres probably about .. ohh.. 6-8 "wars" going on. People loosing their space, and people gaining space. You just don't know what's going on.
Blastil	Posted - 2009.08.31 01:40:00 - [15] Actually right now PVP in EVE 0.0 is alive and well. What's going on is more an indicator of the scale and cost of war in the last 4 months. In this last war alone, trillions on trillions of ISK were spent, artificially inflating the T2 markets and causing massive price hikes (you can't even buy a lachesis for 50 mil isk anymore, and some of that DOES have to do with the market inflation, though ****ty T2 production nerfs and other problems are effecting it) Most major alliances/corps were absolutely depleted of ISK, and the war machines that were grinding out motherships and titans on a weekly basis are trying to catch up to losses where multiple super caps would be downed in a bad week. We won't even touch the costs of POS warfare. Most major alliances are taking well needed breaks from sov and territory wars, and are using this time to consolidate their new holdings, and figure out how to best manage them. It'll pick up next year.
Xylia Zhorr	Posted - 2009.08.31 01:48:00 - [16] Edited by: Xylia Zhorr on 31/08/2009 01:48:43 Originally by: Khemul Zula There is space outside of high-sec? YES! It is SUPERDUPER-HIGH-SECURITY SPACE, also called 0.0. Thats were all the SUPERDUPER pink fluffy carebears with many many iskies hang around. CCP gives them many a TOY to play with. It is all true,I have seen IT! But FIRST, you will have to go through LOW-SEC. That is very dangerous.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2009.08.31 05:14:00 - [17] If you actually lived in 0.0 then you would realize it isn't stable at all. The nc is simply a force. You forget that they are lazy and for the most part carebears. There will always be fights and eventually some people get bored of ratting and decide to actually shoot someone. Plus who said the north was all of eve? Theres still plenty of pvp for those that want it. Just go to npc space, providence or anywhere and harass them until they get a gang to kill you.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.31 06:55:00 - [18] What's "0.0" ?
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.08.31 06:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer What's "0.0" ? they're like boobs but bigger
Phreeze Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.31 07:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Herty If you actually lived in 0.0 then you would realize it isn't stable at all. The nc is simply a force. You forget that they are lazy and for the most part carebears. There will always be fights and eventually some people get bored of ratting and decide to actually shoot someone. Plus who said the north was all of eve? Theres still plenty of pvp for those that want it. Just go to npc space, providence or anywhere and harass them until they get a gang to kill you. I am policing your regions. Fear me.

Hrodgar Ortal	Posted - 2009.08.31 07:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Berdoff Manard Edited by: Berdoff Manard on 31/08/2009 00:47:47 Anyone who thinks that the lack of sov changes on the map is somehow indicative of less fun happening in 0.0 has clearly never actually spent much time fighting for sov, much less on an alliance/region-wide level. The endless shoot pos/rep pos cycle is everything that is wrong with 0.0. The alliances that are slowly being kicked out of the east/southeast are fun to shoot just because of how terrible they are at this game but at the end of the day nearly everything from querious around the south and up to the drone regions is awful space that nobody with space elsewhere needs or wants to be bothered with actually taking for themselves. The issue of most 0.0 being godawful worthless space is its own problem which is currently being addressed by the CSM, so look for a resolution sometime in the next decade. Doubt the CSM is doing much to "fix" the problems with sov and 0.0 stalemate. Most of them have huge vested interest in the status quo and won't be doing much to try to influence that. The reason why the space is worthless is since the ONLY way to run a sov holding alliance right now is harvesting prom and dysp. Nothing else matters really. The nigh on passive income from these two moon materials make all other efforts pointless. The regions rich with these materials make the alliances holding them impossible to dislodge bar treachery like in the case of BoB. That being said, no one in their right mind would waste huge amount of effort to take space (especially crap space) when there will be a sov overhaul in a few months. What that overhaul will include and if it will actually be adaptable enough to work with the increasing player numbers is a completely different question. So the lowish activity regarding sov in 0.0 will probably remain at least until more is known about the changes being planned.
Phreeze Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.31 07:46:00 - [22] People seem to be missing the fact that RA just reconquered Insomother, Scorched Earth are being wiped of the face of the map, and Atlas is wildly spamming towers because they know they are next. 0.0 is not stagnant, we're all simply getting ready for the next big one.
Thornat	Posted - 2009.08.31 08:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Thornat on 31/08/2009 08:28:47 The problem with 0.0 is that it is 0.0. At least half of the Eve population is made up of carebear industrial players who have no desire at all to PvP. This is not something that can be changed, it is a preference of game style and one people are very accustomed to. If you want WAR in 0.0 you have to start one. The problem is that BOB was the only alliance in Eve with any ambition or balls and while they where hated, they where hated for being good at what they did. I think the most pathetic alliance in the history of Eve are the Goons. They do jack in this game but take up space. They need to take BOB as an example on what to do, grow some balls and get out there and start some wars.
Berdoff Manard	Posted - 2009.08.31 08:37:00 - [24] Edited by: Berdoff Manard on 31/08/2009 08:37:04 Originally by: Hrodgar Ortal The reason why the space is worthless is since the ONLY way to run a sov holding alliance right now is harvesting prom and dysp. Nothing else matters really. This isn't true at all, personal wealth is a factor as well. If you don't live in one of the few 0.0 regions with broken truesec have fun fighting with your entire alliance over the handful of systems in the entire region with both the truesec and the belt count to be worth ratting in... or have fun ratting in 0.0 in a system whose best possible spawn is a pair of 650k battleships and has no chance of ever producing an officer or faction spawn. Either way you're better off running l4s in empire.
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.31 09:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Mystical Dawn Seriously, not a single large war going on? Latest sov map...click here. Not even ten sov changes. Napfest killed EVE? GoonSwarm is worse for EVE than BoB ever was? NC? Come on, as 0.0 news, politics, drama fan recent two months has been BORING... Just cause your not seeing anything on coad doesn't mean nothing is happening. A few weeks ago, we saw thedealiest capital fight ever in eve. The Delve wars where huge and lasted a long time. This is just a calm cycle before the next storm. Quantum Industries is recruiting!
Hrodgar Ortal	Posted - 2009.08.31 10:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Berdoff Manard Edited by: Berdoff Manard on 31/08/2009 08:37:04 Originally by: Hrodgar Ortal The reason why the space is worthless is since the ONLY way to run a sov holding alliance right now is harvesting prom and dysp. Nothing else matters really. This isn't true at all, personal wealth is a factor as well. If you don't live in one of the few 0.0 regions with broken truesec have fun fighting with your entire alliance over the handful of systems in the entire region with both the truesec and the belt count to be worth ratting in... or have fun ratting in 0.0 in a system whose best possible spawn is a pair of 650k battleships and has no chance of ever producing an officer or faction spawn. Either way you're better off running l4s in empire. I'm not so sure about that "true-sec" stuff to be honest. I know the claim is that Delve has "broken true-sec" which makes good spawns come in any rating below 0 when it in "non-broken" the good spawns only come in what -0.5? I've lived the last 6 months or so in fountain and mostly been ratting in a system (z30s-a) with -0.09 which spawned up to triple 1.85m and officers and faction spawns. So either the broken is more common than is lead on, or it doesn't work like that. But sure, personal wealth making matters. But not that much on an alliance level. Alliances need cash to do things, that cash is used to get poses, capitals and ship replacement of various kinds. When an alliance can supply its members with ships the need to rat to make money becomes less important and they can spend their time shooting people instead.
Kernel Decker	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:01:00 - [27] The pirate factions home regions have "Broken True-sec" so thats delve, fountain, venal, curse and stain.
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:24:00 - [28] More carebears might make their way out to 0.0 if it weren't for everyone popping up bubbles and NBSI'ing everything that moves. ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:52:00 - [29] 0.0 could have been a much different place full of economic power as alliances policed trade routs to empire so traders could come and buy things and sell things and the whole game would be smoother and more fluid. That is obviously how CCP planned it to be after a while. The evidence is that after that is NOT how things turned out they included jump bridges and jump freighters to replace the multitudes of player-traders and haulers they envisioned. I blame killboards and alts.
Trebor DeCaldar Caldari Formosa Universal HQ	Posted - 2009.08.31 17:05:00 - [30] Originally by: bff Jill 0.0 could have been a much different place full of economic power as alliances policed trade routs to empire so traders could come and buy things and sell things and the whole game would be smoother and more fluid. That is obviously how CCP planned it to be after a while. The evidence is that after that is NOT how things turned out they included jump bridges and jump freighters to replace the multitudes of player-traders and haulers they envisioned. I blame killboards and alts. This is true... If you ever played FreeLancer with a custom Mod, most of them ended up with certain groups running certain systems... the vast majority didn't blast you out the sky for no reason, they carried more of a NRDS attitude. I agree that ALTs are to blame. You go out into lowsec and get your proud -10 status. Or you get way out in 0.0 land. You really don't have to worry about anything, you just hop on your ALT and bring your supplies from highsec. Get rid of alts, and then what you do with your main actually means something. Originally by: Hoo Is Siigari lost a ship... In other news, water is wet, fire is hot, and bacon is delicious



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