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Konferge Amarr Nos Es Uber Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.08.31 14:53:00 - [1] Edited by: Konferge on 31/08/2009 14:53:36 Mainly because I hit New thread instead of reply to thread, but it's ok If BYRN had stayed blue with TCF and RA, the same result would have happened, it just would have happen much sooner. So while a lot of people bash on Elrac for this, he was just doing what was in the best interest of the alliance. And the reason all those corps left was mainly due to the fact that this is... afterall.. a game. And what the Goons and NC were doing in Wicked Creek was taking the fun out of EVE with afk cloakers. A full scale invasion would have been fun and people would have participated, too bad goons didn't have the guts or ships or whatever to do that. So Kudos on your victory by making everyone bored out of their minds that they leave.
Alekanderu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:06:00 - [2] yet another alliance killed by blackops
Antir Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:07:00 - [3] Just because it's not fun for you doesn't mean it's not fun for us.
Machine Delta Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:08:00 - [4] If AFK cloakers are causing your alliance to fold then you weren't up to 0.0 anyway.
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:09:00 - [5] ask konferge about losing rorquals
Kaatje Thaxathinadin Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:10:00 - [6] Edited by: Kaatje Thaxathinadin on 31/08/2009 15:10:27 I had fun. 2009.08.31 01:17 Victim: MaxxOmega Corp: Rukongai Alliance: Sc0rched Earth Faction: NONE Destroyed: Badger Mark II System: - Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 2474 Involved parties: Name: Kaatje Thaxathinadin (laid the final blow) Security: 3.28 Corp: GoonFleet Alliance: GoonSwarm Faction: NONE Ship: Rapier Weapon: Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Damage Done: 2474 Destroyed items: Improved Cloaking Device II Small Capacitor Booster I Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold I Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 600 (Cargo) Stasis Webifier II (Cargo) ECM - Multispectral Jammer I, Qty: 39 (Cargo) 100MN MicroWarpdrive I, Qty: 16 (Cargo) 1MN MicroWarpdrive I (Cargo) Induced Ion Field ECM I, Qty: 6 (Cargo) Nuclear L, Qty: 300 (Cargo) Warp Scrambler I, Qty: 40 (Cargo) ECM - Spatial Destabilizer I, Qty: 38 (Cargo) Antimatter Charge M, Qty: 10063 (Cargo) ECM Burst I, Qty: 2 (Cargo) ECM - Phase Inverter I, Qty: 44 (Cargo) 10MN Afterburner I, Qty: 18 (Cargo) Phased Plasma S, Qty: 30200 (Cargo) 1MN Afterburner I, Qty: 7 (Cargo) Obliterator F.O.F. Cruise Missile I, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Large Shield Extender II, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Induced Multispectral ECM I (Cargo) Fusion L, Qty: 15000 (Cargo) Stasis Webifier I, Qty: 43 (Cargo) ECM - White Noise Generator I, Qty: 48 (Cargo) 10MN MicroWarpdrive I, Qty: 52 (Cargo) Antimatter Charge L, Qty: 19880 (Cargo) Invulnerability Field II (Cargo) 100MN Afterburner I, Qty: 14 (Cargo) Fusion M, Qty: 15100 (Cargo) Ship Scanner I, Qty: 32 (Cargo) ECM - Ion Field Projector I, Qty: 40 (Cargo) Giant Secure Container, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Ballistic Control System II, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Dropped items: Ship Scanner I Cap Booster 50 Cap Booster 50 Cap Booster 50 Cap Booster 50 Cap Booster 50 Cap Booster 50 Small Shield Extender I Small Shield Extender I Expanded Cargohold II Medium Capacitor Booster II (Cargo) Neural Boost - Standard (Cargo) Signal Suppression (Cargo) Covert Ops, Qty: 2 (Cargo) ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II, Qty: 5 (Cargo) Medium Capacitor Battery II, Qty: 9 (Cargo) Sensor Booster II, Qty: 14 (Cargo) Large Shield Extender II, Qty: 22 (Cargo) Depleted Uranium S, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Depleted Uranium L, Qty: 200 (Cargo) EMP L, Qty: 400 (Cargo) Inferno Torpedo, Qty: 2230 (Cargo) Thorn Rocket, Qty: 8564 (Cargo) Havoc Heavy Missile, Qty: 17035 (Cargo) Amarr Battleship (Cargo) Social Adaptation Chip - Standard (Cargo) Halo Beta (Cargo) ECM - Ion Field Projector II, Qty: 3 (Cargo) Overdrive Injector System I, Qty: 6 (Cargo) Sensor Booster I, Qty: 10 (Cargo) Warp Scrambler II, Qty: 19 (Cargo) Optimal Range, Qty: 30 (Cargo) Titanium Sabot L, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Defender I, Qty: 296 (Cargo) Arch Angel Nuclear L, Qty: 1000 (Cargo) Bloodclaw Light Missile, Qty: 4000 (Cargo) Flameburst Light Missile, Qty: 10000 (Cargo) EMP S, Qty: 40100 (Cargo) Mark I Modified SS Inertial Stabilizers (Cargo) Angel Silver Tag (Cargo) Armor Explosive Hardener II, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Cynosural Field Generator I, Qty: 3 (Cargo) 10MN Afterburner II, Qty: 7 (Cargo) Armor Thermic Hardener II, Qty: 10 (Cargo) 250mm Railgun II, Qty: 20 (Cargo) 150mm Railgun II, Qty: 40 (Cargo) Mjolnir Torpedo, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Widowmaker Heavy Missile, Qty: 325 (Cargo) Bane Torpedo, Qty: 1895 (Cargo) Paradise Fury Cruise Missile, Qty: 5000 (Cargo) Caldari Navy Havoc Heavy Missile, Qty: 10000 (Cargo) Large Projectile Turret (Cargo) Ocular Filter - Standard (Cargo) Turret Destabilization (Cargo) Large Remote Armor Repair System II, Qty: 2 (Cargo) 100MN Afterburner II, Qty: 5 (Cargo) Small Shield Extender II, Qty: 10 (Cargo) Reactor Control Unit II, Qty: 15 (Cargo) Shield Recharger II, Qty: 25 (Cargo) Carbonized Lead M, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Wrath Cruise Missile, Qty: 200 (Cargo) Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile, Qty: 550 (Cargo) Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 2700 (Cargo) Phalanx Rocket, Qty: 8770 (Cargo) Terror Assault Missile, Qty: 18823 (Cargo) Long Range Targeting (Cargo) Advanced Weapon Upgrades (Cargo) Electronic Attack Ships (Cargo) ECM - Multispectral Jammer II, Qty: 3 (Carg
chefron Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:21:00 - [7] i LoL'd on this one. *Any comments made here are of a personel nature unless stated*
OninoTimmo Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:29:00 - [8] Hmm, it indeed is quite a difficult situation that you and your corp were put into. I understand where you are coming from and based on my own previous experiences, I am completely sympathetic to what happened. If you, or other corps in BYRN, are looking to evacuate out of Wicked Creek unhindered and without interference from Goonsies, then I suggest you send an evemail to penifSMASH. He is one of the Directors involved with real estate and space management in the South-East and he can see to it that your corp's assets get out safely. If you are looking to rent space or outright join the alliance, you should speak to him as well. We at GoonSwarm privately thought highly of your corp's PvP prowess. I do not hope to c u on teh battlefield , considering these unfortunate circumstances. Goonspeed and we look forward to hearing back from you soon.
Cors Gallente It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:09:00 - [9] unfortunately(For some) AFK Cloakers are all part of 0.0 life. If you do not have the pvp ships/pilots/ability to take the fight to your opponents, you ARE going to be plagued by these. If your individual members main income is from ratting in 0.0, then you WILL loose morale. These players will be picked off one by one slowly over time, draining morale isk by isk. The goons, and many other entities have learned that this is often a faster way to kill an alliance then an all out invasion. It's sad, and it's not fun(Though the cloakers claim it's fun) even they will after a few months get tired of it. But sadly most alliance's cannot stand up to a few months of AFK cloakers. You have several solutions to AFK Cloakers. 1) Have your individual pilots move their isk making to empire. Alts running lvl 4's wil make ok ISK without the risk. Or mining ops. I know of at least 2 large 0.0 high pvp corps who make their isk from empire mining ops. As a corp, they mine in groups of 50+, stripping whole constellations. They take the isk, and split it amongst those who participate on a daily basis. 2) Get your isk from some other form of income. Market trading, production, moon mining, WH expiditions. Anything to get your isk other then ratting. 3) teach your people how to avoid AFK Cloakers. Get an extensive Jump bridge network going. Make sure you have Safe POS's/Outposts in the systems your people will use. Make sure the damned Jump Bridges are always fueled. Teach them how to move safely in 0.0(Scouts, intel channels, VOICE COMS) and so on. As annoying as AFK Cloakers are they are no REAL danger to your alliance's. They are a danger to your alliance's MORALE. Which is more dangerous. As for Goons not invading, if you want a fight, and they won't bring it, then take the fight to them.
Logan230 Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.08.31 17:13:00 - [10] ^^this
Lasakywa Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.08.31 17:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Konferge So Kudos on your victory by making everyone bored out of their minds that they leave. That's a good way to win, see, this works
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 17:46:00 - [12] As far as I can make out, most of our buddies are doing okay at the moment. I don't know exactly what your relationship was with TCF and RA, but most or all of the people who've been shooting you lately would come help those alliances at a moment's notice. So even if they weren't quite so close to Scorched Earth, you'd have had no shortage of friends if you'd stayed close to RA and TCF. After all, the attacks on you were really attacks on TCF by proxy, I think. In fairness, it can't have looked that way when TCF's friends were pretty much all busy in Delve, or taking a rest after Delve. But stabbing our frFres in the back was a mistake. I'm not really slamming you guys for getting it wrong (although personally I'd rather live in Jita than betray TCF and RA) but the idea that you'd be in the same position whatever you did is just wishful thinking.
Korinn Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.31 17:55:00 - [13] Does this mean I can leave 4-EF yet?
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.31 18:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch But stabbing our frFres in the back was a mistake. I'm not really slamming you guys for getting it wrong (although personally I'd rather live in Jita than betray TCF and RA) but the idea that you'd be in the same position whatever you did is just wishful thinking. to be fair, Scorched Earth imploding is more to do with the fact they're terrible than who they betrayed - its not like much pressure was applied, a few AFK cloakers and they fell apart ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Konferge Amarr Nos Es Uber Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.08.31 18:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch As far as I can make out, most of our buddies are doing okay at the moment. I don't know exactly what your relationship was with TCF and RA, but most or all of the people who've been shooting you lately would come help those alliances at a moment's notice. So even if they weren't quite so close to Scorched Earth, you'd have had no shortage of friends if you'd stayed close to RA and TCF. After all, the attacks on you were really attacks on TCF by proxy, I think. In fairness, it can't have looked that way when TCF's friends were pretty much all busy in Delve, or taking a rest after Delve. But stabbing our frFres in the back was a mistake. I'm not really slamming you guys for getting it wrong (although personally I'd rather live in Jita than betray TCF and RA) but the idea that you'd be in the same position whatever you did is just wishful thinking. So, you're saying that when Aggro and Atlas were knocking on the door to WC, and no one who was blue offered up assistance, we'd have gotten through it just fine? I think not. We've lost our space now, but staying red to Atlas and Aggro would have meant our space would have been gone that much sooner.
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 19:19:00 - [16] I was under the impression you did get help from RA and TCF, but I'm not denying it was bad at the time. Nobody said "just fine":) But you'd be in a better position now, yes. Maybe in the short term you were better off, but in the longer term you're screwed with no friends (unless you think Atlas is your friend). Anyway. .. um . . bye
Vile rat Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 19:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Konferge So, you're saying that when Aggro and Atlas were knocking on the door to WC, and no one who was blue offered up assistance, we'd have gotten through it just fine? I think not. We've lost our space now, but staying red to Atlas and Aggro would have meant our space would have been gone that much sooner. Your space was lost no matter what you did. Had you not betrayed TCF and instead pulled to empire to regroup people would have probably helped you retake the space which won't happen now.
Brusanan Caldari Ixion Defence Systems Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.31 20:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Butter Dog to be fair, Scorched Earth imploding is more to do with the fact they're terrible than who they betrayed - its not like much pressure was applied, a few AFK cloakers and they fell apart The cloakers really had nothing to do with it. Pandemic Legion should get most of the credit for killing BYRN. Sure, Goons and friends would occasionally show up when they had nothing else to do, but it was PL who were constantly putting the pressure on them. The hotdrops and HAC fleets drained their wallets, and killed their morale. ______
Machine Delta Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 20:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Konferge So, you're saying that when Aggro and Atlas were knocking on the door to WC, and no one who was blue offered up assistance, we'd have gotten through it just fine? I think not. We've lost our space now, but staying red to Atlas and Aggro would have meant our space would have been gone that much sooner. RA lost almost all their space while we were tied up elsewhere, we came back to help them and now look at where they are. "When the going gets tough, switch sides" Isn't really a good tactic.
Too Stoned Minmatar Altless Green Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.31 21:31:00 - [20] Sounds like Minor Threat's in for some fun
Shardrael Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 21:35:00 - [21] first you cry in local, now you cry on caod you are my favorite byrn guy Signature locked. Please submit a petition to discuss the matter further. Navigator
Phreeze Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.31 21:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Brusanan Originally by: Butter Dog to be fair, Scorched Earth imploding is more to do with the fact they're terrible than who they betrayed - its not like much pressure was applied, a few AFK cloakers and they fell apart The cloakers really had nothing to do with it. Pandemic Legion should get most of the credit for killing BYRN. Sure, Goons and friends would occasionally show up when they had nothing else to do, but it was PL who were constantly putting the pressure on them. The hotdrops and HAC fleets drained their wallets, and killed their morale. Why did you just say this. Now we will never hear the end of this ** from Viper**zle
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Brusanan Originally by: Butter Dog to be fair, Scorched Earth imploding is more to do with the fact they're terrible than who they betrayed - its not like much pressure was applied, a few AFK cloakers and they fell apart The cloakers really had nothing to do with it. you should read some of the sc0rched forum leaks @ kugu we're a pretty big deal to these guys
Max Wilson Caldari Northern Star Brigade Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:41:00 - [24] I was mabey the cloaker dying most in this war.. I can't sit cloaked when I see a BYRN, no matter what he's in I have to try :p But ty for the gf's. I'll miss all the juicy targets
Korinn Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.31 22:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Brusanan Originally by: Butter Dog to be fair, Scorched Earth imploding is more to do with the fact they're terrible than who they betrayed - its not like much pressure was applied, a few AFK cloakers and they fell apart The cloakers really had nothing to do with it. Pandemic Legion should get most of the credit for killing BYRN. Sure, Goons and friends would occasionally show up when they had nothing else to do, but it was PL who were constantly putting the pressure on them. The hotdrops and HAC fleets drained their wallets, and killed their morale. We bridged BS fleets on top of them what.... 6 times total? In maybe 3-5 days... 1-2 months ago. It might've been one of the factors that helped accelerate the failcascade, but the cloak***gots had just as much of a hand in that as the obvious, repeatable BS rapings they got trying to defend their towers in 3-LJ did. To put it simply BYRN got barely leaned on and collapsed in a shower of flying corps and bleeding heart vaginas.
Aperion Madante Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Korinn To put it simply BYRN got barely leaned on and collapsed in a shower of flying corps and bleeding heart vaginas. You know what, I got nothing to top this mental image, so I'm just gonna emptyquote it.
Trixis Minmatar Nos Es Uber Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:33:00 - [27] Edited by: Trixis on 01/09/2009 01:33:37 You guys take this game way to seriously, whens the last time you left your home or man cave? or boy cave for some of yall
Rand Paul Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Trixis Edited by: Trixis on 01/09/2009 01:33:37 You guys take this game way to seriously, whens the last time you left your home or man cave? or boy cave for some of yall i went and had sex with my kickboxing girlfriend after making konferge cry yesterday :>
Phreeze Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.01 01:45:00 - [29] I leave my manboy cave frequently to feast upon the souls of the living.
Shardrael Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.01 02:50:00 - [30] I live in a grass hut, but I rarely ever leave you're right. Signature locked. Please submit a petition to discuss the matter further. Navigator

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