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Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.10.18 10:53:00 - [31] btw congrats Darth on managing to harden the SA line on neutrals in catch. I'm sure the neutrals who will be blown up as a result of your actions thank you! snicker "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.10.18 10:53:00 - [32] btw congrats Darth on managing to harden the SA line on neutrals in catch. I'm sure the neutrals who will be blown up as a result of your actions thank you! snicker "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
XeQtR	Posted - 2004.10.18 10:59:00 - [33] Edited by: XeQtR on 18/10/2004 11:05:36 Darth you cant take second wave inc ships down they're SA. You're teamed up aren't you? headache getting worse...CFS fighting FA. Celestial Apoc. threatening SA corps...AAARRGGHH!!! EDIT Quote:* About Stain pirating. It is so stupid. We dont pirate we dont kill ppl anywhere or what ever. we kill on warzone. Give it up. CA has been saying the exact same thing for ever. They wont listen. If you want to actually USE all the PvP modules and ships in the game you're evil. period.
XeQtR	Posted - 2004.10.18 10:59:00 - [34] Edited by: XeQtR on 18/10/2004 11:05:36 Darth you cant take second wave inc ships down they're SA. You're teamed up aren't you? headache getting worse...CFS fighting FA. Celestial Apoc. threatening SA corps...AAARRGGHH!!! EDIT Quote:* About Stain pirating. It is so stupid. We dont pirate we dont kill ppl anywhere or what ever. we kill on warzone. Give it up. CA has been saying the exact same thing for ever. They wont listen. If you want to actually USE all the PvP modules and ships in the game you're evil. period.
Vilas	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:03:00 - [35] I fail to see how the destuction of a ship in a warzone constitutes piracy, this word is too often used. Perhaps the following will help those of you who are unsure of its meaning. Dictionary definition of "Piracy". An act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. High seas! Robbery! Plunder!..... I dont see any of that. Originally by: Maya Rkell btw congrats Darth on managing to harden the SA line on neutrals in catch. I'm sure the neutrals who will be blown up as a result of your actions thank you! snicker Catch leads to CA, SA and Xetic space. Where would a neutral be going? I would argue anyone found in Catch is unlikely to be neutral. PS. NO I'm not an alt, this is my main.
Vilas	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:03:00 - [36] I fail to see how the destuction of a ship in a warzone constitutes piracy, this word is too often used. Perhaps the following will help those of you who are unsure of its meaning. Dictionary definition of "Piracy". An act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. High seas! Robbery! Plunder!..... I dont see any of that. Originally by: Maya Rkell btw congrats Darth on managing to harden the SA line on neutrals in catch. I'm sure the neutrals who will be blown up as a result of your actions thank you! snicker Catch leads to CA, SA and Xetic space. Where would a neutral be going? I would argue anyone found in Catch is unlikely to be neutral. PS. NO I'm not an alt, this is my main.
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Drac Dragnog As a member of stain can I ask the forum mods to stickeh this type of announcement for atleast a month? That way the general public has a chance to see it before it gets to page 4? Thanks. Sorry I'm not stickying press releases. Stickies are for useful information for all eve citizens not just those in a certain part of space in certain conflicts. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Drac Dragnog As a member of stain can I ask the forum mods to stickeh this type of announcement for atleast a month? That way the general public has a chance to see it before it gets to page 4? Thanks. Sorry I'm not stickying press releases. Stickies are for useful information for all eve citizens not just those in a certain part of space in certain conflicts. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:18:00 - [39] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 11:22:36 Originally by: Vilas I fail to see how the destuction of a ship in a warzone constitutes piracy, this word is too often used. Perhaps the following will help those of you who are unsure of its meaning. Dictionary definition of "Piracy". An act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. High seas! Robbery! Plunder!..... I dont see any of that. Granted, but you do see "illegal acts of violence.... in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state". This is exactly what SA members have been doing. (The definition says "or", not "and") It makes do difference whatsoever that you call it a "warzone". The correct way of dealing with neutrals in these situations is fÝrst asking them to leave, and if they refuse, you can conclude that they may be enemy spies. Just firing on everything and every one you see, no questions asked, is criminal activity (or "piracy" as we call it in Eve). Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:18:00 - [40] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 11:22:36 Originally by: Vilas I fail to see how the destuction of a ship in a warzone constitutes piracy, this word is too often used. Perhaps the following will help those of you who are unsure of its meaning. Dictionary definition of "Piracy". An act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. High seas! Robbery! Plunder!..... I dont see any of that. Granted, but you do see "illegal acts of violence.... in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state". This is exactly what SA members have been doing. (The definition says "or", not "and") It makes do difference whatsoever that you call it a "warzone". The correct way of dealing with neutrals in these situations is fÝrst asking them to leave, and if they refuse, you can conclude that they may be enemy spies. Just firing on everything and every one you see, no questions asked, is criminal activity (or "piracy" as we call it in Eve). Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Eleese	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:47:00 - [41] Looks like Celestial apoc is at war with every single alliance then because all of em have shot neutrals who fly around there fleet as suspected spies. So since celestial apoc claims alliances are pirates and shoots them when some of the eve world thinks they arnt pirates in their eyes celestial apoc becomes pirates to for shooting inocents? lmfao pirate is shouted out far to often. Stain have made this announcement so that innocents know that catch is warzone and wont get ganked by one of the many fleet in the region. Imo that is the same as warning people to leave or will get shot. but with much more advanced notice. Stain has basically said they will shoot anyone who comes near them whos not a friend why for there militaries safety letting a neutral survive could cause stain to be at big disadvantage in a fleet battle if the enemy knows there numbers, ships, names and by time u say please leave that info known.
Eleese	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:47:00 - [42] Looks like Celestial apoc is at war with every single alliance then because all of em have shot neutrals who fly around there fleet as suspected spies. So since celestial apoc claims alliances are pirates and shoots them when some of the eve world thinks they arnt pirates in their eyes celestial apoc becomes pirates to for shooting inocents? lmfao pirate is shouted out far to often. Stain have made this announcement so that innocents know that catch is warzone and wont get ganked by one of the many fleet in the region. Imo that is the same as warning people to leave or will get shot. but with much more advanced notice. Stain has basically said they will shoot anyone who comes near them whos not a friend why for there militaries safety letting a neutral survive could cause stain to be at big disadvantage in a fleet battle if the enemy knows there numbers, ships, names and by time u say please leave that info known.
Ackath	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:00:00 - [43] Originally by: darth solo comments like that make u look dumb, and are why am gonna enjoy taking ur ships down over the coming months. Darth, you might not remember me, but I used to fly with you when your corp was begining their quest in EVE. The thing that I liked most about you guys in that period of time was the friendship and support you always showed to the ones in need. Going from one end to another of the empire to help a 'do gooder' was just awesome. Now keeping the above in mind, you come here and condemn the SA for doing the exact same thing. SA may have its flaws but one good thing survived over the time and that is that SA (or SA core corps) ALWAYS stick with their friends, even when the reasons sound unresonable from an objective standing point. More so, threatening SA that if they do show support to their friends, in the territory where SA activates, may draw the wrath of your mighty pvp force, its just plain 'terrorism; from my point of view. You want SA to put aside their principles just because its CELES involved. I am sorry but thats impossible. That being said, I would not have a heavy heart attacking you either.
Ackath	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:00:00 - [44] Originally by: darth solo comments like that make u look dumb, and are why am gonna enjoy taking ur ships down over the coming months. Darth, you might not remember me, but I used to fly with you when your corp was begining their quest in EVE. The thing that I liked most about you guys in that period of time was the friendship and support you always showed to the ones in need. Going from one end to another of the empire to help a 'do gooder' was just awesome. Now keeping the above in mind, you come here and condemn the SA for doing the exact same thing. SA may have its flaws but one good thing survived over the time and that is that SA (or SA core corps) ALWAYS stick with their friends, even when the reasons sound unresonable from an objective standing point. More so, threatening SA that if they do show support to their friends, in the territory where SA activates, may draw the wrath of your mighty pvp force, its just plain 'terrorism; from my point of view. You want SA to put aside their principles just because its CELES involved. I am sorry but thats impossible. That being said, I would not have a heavy heart attacking you either.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:09:00 - [45] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 12:12:12 Originally by: Ackath Originally by: darth solo comments like that make u look dumb, and are why am gonna enjoy taking ur ships down over the coming months. Darth, you might not remember me, but I used to fly with you when your corp was begining their quest in EVE. The thing that I liked most about you guys in that period of time was the friendship and support you always showed to the ones in need. Going from one end to another of the empire to help a 'do gooder' was just awesome. Now keeping the above in mind, you come here and condemn the SA for doing the exact same thing. SA may have its flaws but one good thing survived over the time and that is that SA (or SA core corps) ALWAYS stick with their friends, even when the reasons sound unresonable from an objective standing point. Are you referring to Atuk here? Celes and Atuk have been enemies longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. Celes and SA have been friends longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. It seems that SA has chosen to honor their friendship with Atuk instead of their longer-lasting friendship with Celes. So... you always stick with your friends, but you choose which ones based on what? Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:09:00 - [46] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 12:12:12 Originally by: Ackath Originally by: darth solo comments like that make u look dumb, and are why am gonna enjoy taking ur ships down over the coming months. Darth, you might not remember me, but I used to fly with you when your corp was begining their quest in EVE. The thing that I liked most about you guys in that period of time was the friendship and support you always showed to the ones in need. Going from one end to another of the empire to help a 'do gooder' was just awesome. Now keeping the above in mind, you come here and condemn the SA for doing the exact same thing. SA may have its flaws but one good thing survived over the time and that is that SA (or SA core corps) ALWAYS stick with their friends, even when the reasons sound unresonable from an objective standing point. Are you referring to Atuk here? Celes and Atuk have been enemies longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. Celes and SA have been friends longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. It seems that SA has chosen to honor their friendship with Atuk instead of their longer-lasting friendship with Celes. So... you always stick with your friends, but you choose which ones based on what? Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Vilas	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Jazz Bo Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 11:22:36 Originally by: Vilas I fail to see how the destuction of a ship in a warzone constitutes piracy, this word is too often used. Perhaps the following will help those of you who are unsure of its meaning. Dictionary definition of "Piracy". An act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. High seas! Robbery! Plunder!..... I dont see any of that. Granted, but you do see "illegal acts of violence.... in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state". This is exactly what SA members have been doing. (The definition says "or", not "and") It makes do difference whatsoever that you call it a "warzone". The correct way of dealing with neutrals in these situations is fÝrst asking them to leave, and if they refuse, you can conclude that they may be enemy spies. Just firing on everything and every one you see, no questions asked, is criminal activity (or "piracy" as we call it in Eve). 0.0 is "lawless" space (I'm sure thats one point everyone can agree on......probably ) therefore there cannot be any unlawful killing. Exactly who gets to decide the law in Catch?
Vilas	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Jazz Bo Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 11:22:36 Originally by: Vilas I fail to see how the destuction of a ship in a warzone constitutes piracy, this word is too often used. Perhaps the following will help those of you who are unsure of its meaning. Dictionary definition of "Piracy". An act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. High seas! Robbery! Plunder!..... I dont see any of that. Granted, but you do see "illegal acts of violence.... in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state". This is exactly what SA members have been doing. (The definition says "or", not "and") It makes do difference whatsoever that you call it a "warzone". The correct way of dealing with neutrals in these situations is fÝrst asking them to leave, and if they refuse, you can conclude that they may be enemy spies. Just firing on everything and every one you see, no questions asked, is criminal activity (or "piracy" as we call it in Eve). 0.0 is "lawless" space (I'm sure thats one point everyone can agree on......probably ) therefore there cannot be any unlawful killing. Exactly who gets to decide the law in Catch?
Ackath	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Jazz Bo Are you referring to Atuk here? Celes and Atuk have been enemies longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. Celes and SA have been friends longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. It seems that SA has chosen to honor their friendship with Atuk instead of their longer-lasting friendship with Celes. So... you always stick with your friends, but you choose which ones based on what? Based on what you forgot to quote, the part where I said 'the territory where SA activates'. If it were that celes and atuk fought in another part of space I dont think SA would have had anything to object.
Ackath	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Jazz Bo Are you referring to Atuk here? Celes and Atuk have been enemies longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. Celes and SA have been friends longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. It seems that SA has chosen to honor their friendship with Atuk instead of their longer-lasting friendship with Celes. So... you always stick with your friends, but you choose which ones based on what? Based on what you forgot to quote, the part where I said 'the territory where SA activates'. If it were that celes and atuk fought in another part of space I dont think SA would have had anything to object.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Vilas Originally by: Jazz Bo Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 11:22:36 Originally by: Vilas I fail to see how the destuction of a ship in a warzone constitutes piracy, this word is too often used. Perhaps the following will help those of you who are unsure of its meaning. Dictionary definition of "Piracy". An act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. High seas! Robbery! Plunder!..... I dont see any of that. Granted, but you do see "illegal acts of violence.... in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state". This is exactly what SA members have been doing. (The definition says "or", not "and") It makes do difference whatsoever that you call it a "warzone". The correct way of dealing with neutrals in these situations is fÝrst asking them to leave, and if they refuse, you can conclude that they may be enemy spies. Just firing on everything and every one you see, no questions asked, is criminal activity (or "piracy" as we call it in Eve). 0.0 is "lawless" space (I'm sure thats one point everyone can agree on......probably ) therefore there cannot be any unlawful killing. Exactly who gets to decide the law in Catch? You posted that definition, trying to prove a point. I showed that in fact it proves you are wrong. Now you're trying to discredit the definition you posted? Think twice, post once. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Vilas Originally by: Jazz Bo Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 11:22:36 Originally by: Vilas I fail to see how the destuction of a ship in a warzone constitutes piracy, this word is too often used. Perhaps the following will help those of you who are unsure of its meaning. Dictionary definition of "Piracy". An act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. High seas! Robbery! Plunder!..... I dont see any of that. Granted, but you do see "illegal acts of violence.... in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state". This is exactly what SA members have been doing. (The definition says "or", not "and") It makes do difference whatsoever that you call it a "warzone". The correct way of dealing with neutrals in these situations is fÝrst asking them to leave, and if they refuse, you can conclude that they may be enemy spies. Just firing on everything and every one you see, no questions asked, is criminal activity (or "piracy" as we call it in Eve). 0.0 is "lawless" space (I'm sure thats one point everyone can agree on......probably ) therefore there cannot be any unlawful killing. Exactly who gets to decide the law in Catch? You posted that definition, trying to prove a point. I showed that in fact it proves you are wrong. Now you're trying to discredit the definition you posted? Think twice, post once. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:35:00 - [53] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 12:39:13 Originally by: Ackath Originally by: Jazz Bo Are you referring to Atuk here? Celes and Atuk have been enemies longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. Celes and SA have been friends longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. It seems that SA has chosen to honor their friendship with Atuk instead of their longer-lasting friendship with Celes. So... you always stick with your friends, but you choose which ones based on what? Based on what you forgot to quote, the part where I said 'the territory where SA activates'. If it were that celes and atuk fought in another part of space I dont think SA would have had anything to object. Sorry, but I didn't think it was relevant. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:35:00 - [54] Edited by: Jazz Bo on 18/10/2004 12:39:13 Originally by: Ackath Originally by: Jazz Bo Are you referring to Atuk here? Celes and Atuk have been enemies longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. Celes and SA have been friends longer than SA and Atuk have been friends. It seems that SA has chosen to honor their friendship with Atuk instead of their longer-lasting friendship with Celes. So... you always stick with your friends, but you choose which ones based on what? Based on what you forgot to quote, the part where I said 'the territory where SA activates'. If it were that celes and atuk fought in another part of space I dont think SA would have had anything to object. Sorry, but I didn't think it was relevant. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Malken	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:37:00 - [55] then why do SA tell us that this acts of piracy will stop and then we only see a increase of those acts of piracy. ive seen neutral people jumping in from keberz that havent even gotten a chance to say anything in local before they have been attacked. is that not piracy? indescriminate killing of neutrals. that is not defending SA space wich starts some 6 jumps off hed-gp SA repetedly attacked Celest ships. you guys were even set at +10 to us and you apparently used that to backstab us. who lacks honor ? the one who backstabs a allied several times or the one who gets sick with promises that they apparently did not intend to keep. now im not saying all corps in SA have no honor, there are a few corps there that i have the utmost respect for. but SA cant keep turning a blind eye to the pirates they got in their midst and definetly not justify their behaviours. in wich case they will be judged by the same measuring stick. you have been given names of the offending players and corps and chosen not to do anything about it so far. so be it.
Malken	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:37:00 - [56] then why do SA tell us that this acts of piracy will stop and then we only see a increase of those acts of piracy. ive seen neutral people jumping in from keberz that havent even gotten a chance to say anything in local before they have been attacked. is that not piracy? indescriminate killing of neutrals. that is not defending SA space wich starts some 6 jumps off hed-gp SA repetedly attacked Celest ships. you guys were even set at +10 to us and you apparently used that to backstab us. who lacks honor ? the one who backstabs a allied several times or the one who gets sick with promises that they apparently did not intend to keep. now im not saying all corps in SA have no honor, there are a few corps there that i have the utmost respect for. but SA cant keep turning a blind eye to the pirates they got in their midst and definetly not justify their behaviours. in wich case they will be judged by the same measuring stick. you have been given names of the offending players and corps and chosen not to do anything about it so far. so be it.
Vilas	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:43:00 - [57] :) The definition I posted is the dictionary definition of a pirate. This is not a word I used. And not a word I believe fits. Your retort, which seemingly defends its use: Granted, but you do see "illegal acts of violence.... in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state". This is exactly what SA members have been doing. (The definition says "or", not "and") I'm simply pointing out the word pirate still doesnt fit. Due to the lack of law in 0.0. This is not at all contradictory.
Vilas	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:43:00 - [58] :) The definition I posted is the dictionary definition of a pirate. This is not a word I used. And not a word I believe fits. Your retort, which seemingly defends its use: Granted, but you do see "illegal acts of violence.... in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state". This is exactly what SA members have been doing. (The definition says "or", not "and") I'm simply pointing out the word pirate still doesnt fit. Due to the lack of law in 0.0. This is not at all contradictory.
TWD	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:53:00 - [59] Edited by: TWD on 18/10/2004 12:57:10 Celes, please take your pirate/anti-pirate roleplay fg0try to this forum -> Linkage
TWD	Posted - 2004.10.18 12:53:00 - [60] Edited by: TWD on 18/10/2004 12:57:10 Celes, please take your pirate/anti-pirate roleplay fg0try to this forum -> Linkage

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