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Loctar
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:32:00 -
[181]
 Originally by: Maya Rkell
No, I like fast ships, but thanks for asking.
Selectively declaring on one side of a conflict when you "say" BOTH have sinned is a clear declaration of intent as to your true loyalties. Which you did, and you have shown.
Truth bugs ya, dosn't it.
I know I've never gone back on my word in Eve. Shame Celes can't say the same.
what truth? your truth?
your truth is nothing else then that _your_ truth
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Loctar
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:32:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
No, I like fast ships, but thanks for asking.
Selectively declaring on one side of a conflict when you "say" BOTH have sinned is a clear declaration of intent as to your true loyalties. Which you did, and you have shown.
Truth bugs ya, dosn't it.
I know I've never gone back on my word in Eve. Shame Celes can't say the same.
what truth? your truth?
your truth is nothing else then that _your_ truth
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:38:00 -
[183]
So you're saying you didn't declare war on Reikoku?
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:38:00 -
[184]
So you're saying you didn't declare war on Reikoku?
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Loctar
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:42:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
So you're saying you didn't declare war on Reikoku?
i dont even know where u got that i denyed it the first time
There is no such thing as innocence, only various degrees of guilt |
Loctar
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:42:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
So you're saying you didn't declare war on Reikoku?
i dont even know where u got that i denyed it the first time
There is no such thing as innocence, only various degrees of guilt |
Arvalen Eno
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:46:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Casius
Maya what would have happened if we attacked mOo while they were flying with RKK?
would we have been ok to shoot mOo while RKK sat and watched? I dont think so, we had no choice but to set RKK to -10 to avoid what happened to us with the ATUK ship and SA
Wait, wait. So you had common sense before, to do something like that because a friend of your enemy could feel obliged to help your enemy, should you attack them... but now you attacked your enemy in front of their friend and act all surprised at how things developed? 
"Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs." |
Arvalen Eno
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:46:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Casius
Maya what would have happened if we attacked mOo while they were flying with RKK?
would we have been ok to shoot mOo while RKK sat and watched? I dont think so, we had no choice but to set RKK to -10 to avoid what happened to us with the ATUK ship and SA
Wait, wait. So you had common sense before, to do something like that because a friend of your enemy could feel obliged to help your enemy, should you attack them... but now you attacked your enemy in front of their friend and act all surprised at how things developed?
"Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs." |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:55:00 -
[189]
Actually, the RKK policy is NOT to engage in ANY conflict between corps who have us at +10. If such a conflict comes while you're in a gang, leave the gang.
If they actively fire on a RKK member, that changes the rules of course.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.18 21:55:00 -
[190]
Actually, the RKK policy is NOT to engage in ANY conflict between corps who have us at +10. If such a conflict comes while you're in a gang, leave the gang.
If they actively fire on a RKK member, that changes the rules of course.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.10.18 22:10:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
YOU came to our forum and declared war on us. Not the other way arround. YOU. Not us.
Lies now, eh?
You took the PA's side. Period. This is a FACT. You seem to be having a minor problem with the truth of the matter.
We put RKK at -10, so what?
That really doesn't mean were on anyone side.
Just like we're not on, say, The Pirate Syndicate's side just because they are also hostile to RKK.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.10.18 22:10:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
YOU came to our forum and declared war on us. Not the other way arround. YOU. Not us.
Lies now, eh?
You took the PA's side. Period. This is a FACT. You seem to be having a minor problem with the truth of the matter.
We put RKK at -10, so what?
That really doesn't mean were on anyone side.
Just like we're not on, say, The Pirate Syndicate's side just because they are also hostile to RKK.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.10.18 23:43:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Bhal'rog on 19/10/2004 13:05:50
Originally by: Arvalen Eno
Wait, wait. So you had common sense before, to do something like that because a friend of your enemy could feel obliged to help your enemy, should you attack them... but now you attacked your enemy in front of their friend and act all surprised at how things developed?
ATUK pilot was solo when he was attacked. SA came in after he went down.
EDIT: The above is not correct. My apologies, my info was incorrect.
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.10.18 23:43:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Bhal'rog on 19/10/2004 13:05:50
Originally by: Arvalen Eno
Wait, wait. So you had common sense before, to do something like that because a friend of your enemy could feel obliged to help your enemy, should you attack them... but now you attacked your enemy in front of their friend and act all surprised at how things developed?
ATUK pilot was solo when he was attacked. SA came in after he went down.
EDIT: The above is not correct. My apologies, my info was incorrect.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2004.10.19 05:25:00 -
[195]
Thanks for deleting my post mods... maybe you need help? 
/me spanks Bhal... the ATUK guy warped in on us and about the same number of SA. 
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2004.10.19 05:25:00 -
[196]
Thanks for deleting my post mods... maybe you need help?
/me spanks Bhal... the ATUK guy warped in on us and about the same number of SA.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.10.19 05:44:00 -
[197]
test
"We brake for nobody"
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.10.19 05:44:00 -
[198]
test
"We brake for nobody"
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Aeryn Sun
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Posted - 2004.10.19 07:16:00 -
[199]
Edited by: Aeryn Sun on 19/10/2004 07:20:30
Edited by: Aeryn Sun on 19/10/2004 07:19:36
As jonkai stated, that is not accurate Bhal'rog. SA fleet was gathering at gate when the Celestial Apocalypse gang jumped through. Hombrey of ATUK was the last one to warp in.
Once we had asked on local for Celes to stop firing, we opened fire on their members.
Once most celes had been killed, and the few remaining fled, the rest of our gang came into system from u-q.
Get your facts straight.
Oh and another thing, if you fight us for a week, will you claim that the operation was a "total success"
Aeryn Sun
SA Fleet Admiral
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Aeryn Sun
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Posted - 2004.10.19 07:16:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Aeryn Sun on 19/10/2004 07:20:30
Edited by: Aeryn Sun on 19/10/2004 07:19:36
As jonkai stated, that is not accurate Bhal'rog. SA fleet was gathering at gate when the Celestial Apocalypse gang jumped through. Hombrey of ATUK was the last one to warp in.
Once we had asked on local for Celes to stop firing, we opened fire on their members.
Once most celes had been killed, and the few remaining fled, the rest of our gang came into system from u-q.
Get your facts straight.
Oh and another thing, if you fight us for a week, will you claim that the operation was a "total success"
Aeryn Sun
SA Fleet Admiral
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.10.19 07:27:00 -
[201]
Ya know, I think the reason Celes are so unpopular on the forums is simply that they are really really bad forum posters.
I reccommend you guys simply stop posting on the forums :p
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.10.19 07:27:00 -
[202]
Ya know, I think the reason Celes are so unpopular on the forums is simply that they are really really bad forum posters.
I reccommend you guys simply stop posting on the forums :p
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.10.19 07:59:00 -
[203]
I haven't read everything in this post. I can provide some input, I think, considering I was involved in some of the early incidents leading up to this.
1) Your very leaders - one of the 4 High Council of Stain Alliance, no less, indicated Catch was NOT a warzone and neutrals would NOT be engaged. This post controverts your top leadership.
2) After several stain pilots killed off a few of our assault frigs (Cowboy and I) in an incident we determined was friendly fire (HED-GP) Stain pilots indicated they didn't know we were "friendly." Killing neutrals (not just n00b corp spies or known enemies) is piracy in it's most common form.
3) Celestial Apocalypse and Stain had been friends for ages until several incidents of _stain_ firing on Celestial Apocalypse, not vice versa. Most suprising considering Stain has been helping Celestial Apocalypse with low-cost ships for months.
4) Even after things had descalated a bit, some junior Stain members have continued belligerent, sophomoric smack-talk which only exacerbates the issues.
5) Stain leadership indicates the issues in "The Corridor" were regrettable and due to miscommunication - they even compensated me @ 30M for the loss of my assault frig. Mea culpa controverted here once more.
6) "The Corridor" is not just a means of getting from empire to Stain space or CA space. There are plenty of relatively new folks that are looking npc hunt (500-1M ISK bloods in A2, T8H, HED-GP etc) or mine (crokite etc - stuff that can't be mined in empire) or just explore (there are plenty of points of interest in the corridor.) Slaughtering people in "The Corridor" is an act of piracy.
Draw your own conclusions. Until our leadership says "stop" we'll continue to engage our new foes, to the benefit and glee of our true mutual enemies.
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Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.10.19 07:59:00 -
[204]
I haven't read everything in this post. I can provide some input, I think, considering I was involved in some of the early incidents leading up to this.
1) Your very leaders - one of the 4 High Council of Stain Alliance, no less, indicated Catch was NOT a warzone and neutrals would NOT be engaged. This post controverts your top leadership.
2) After several stain pilots killed off a few of our assault frigs (Cowboy and I) in an incident we determined was friendly fire (HED-GP) Stain pilots indicated they didn't know we were "friendly." Killing neutrals (not just n00b corp spies or known enemies) is piracy in it's most common form.
3) Celestial Apocalypse and Stain had been friends for ages until several incidents of _stain_ firing on Celestial Apocalypse, not vice versa. Most suprising considering Stain has been helping Celestial Apocalypse with low-cost ships for months.
4) Even after things had descalated a bit, some junior Stain members have continued belligerent, sophomoric smack-talk which only exacerbates the issues.
5) Stain leadership indicates the issues in "The Corridor" were regrettable and due to miscommunication - they even compensated me @ 30M for the loss of my assault frig. Mea culpa controverted here once more.
6) "The Corridor" is not just a means of getting from empire to Stain space or CA space. There are plenty of relatively new folks that are looking npc hunt (500-1M ISK bloods in A2, T8H, HED-GP etc) or mine (crokite etc - stuff that can't be mined in empire) or just explore (there are plenty of points of interest in the corridor.) Slaughtering people in "The Corridor" is an act of piracy.
Draw your own conclusions. Until our leadership says "stop" we'll continue to engage our new foes, to the benefit and glee of our true mutual enemies.
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Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.10.19 08:04:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ya know, I think the reason Celes are so unpopular on the forums is simply that they are really really bad forum posters.
I reccommend you guys simply stop posting on the forums :p
OMG
Arachv0id 4 Win!
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.10.19 08:04:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Ya know, I think the reason Celes are so unpopular on the forums is simply that they are really really bad forum posters.
I reccommend you guys simply stop posting on the forums :p
OMG
Arachv0id 4 Win!
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.10.19 08:05:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Eleese
Looks like Celestial apoc is at war with every single alliance then because all of em have shot neutrals who fly around there fleet as suspected spies.
So since celestial apoc claims alliances are pirates and shoots them when some of the eve world thinks they arnt pirates in their eyes celestial apoc becomes pirates to for shooting inocents? lmfao pirate is shouted out far to often. Stain have made this announcement so that innocents know that catch is warzone and wont get ganked by one of the many fleet in the region. Imo that is the same as warning people to leave or will get shot. but with much more advanced notice. Stain has basically said they will shoot anyone who comes near them whos not a friend why for there militaries safety letting a neutral survive could cause stain to be at big disadvantage in a fleet battle if the enemy knows there numbers, ships, names and by time u say please leave that info known.
I myself have shot down suspicious ships. The difference between piracy and true fleet defense is WARNING. If I or our fleet captains suspect someone is a spy - jumping in and not moving on, n00b corp pilot in a n00b ship with 0 standing to anyone, remaining near our fleet or within scan distance of our fleet - we WARN them to move on. Only if they ignore our warnings do we shoot down these types of pilots - they are obviously spies. That separates us from the rats.
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Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.10.19 08:05:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Eleese
Looks like Celestial apoc is at war with every single alliance then because all of em have shot neutrals who fly around there fleet as suspected spies.
So since celestial apoc claims alliances are pirates and shoots them when some of the eve world thinks they arnt pirates in their eyes celestial apoc becomes pirates to for shooting inocents? lmfao pirate is shouted out far to often. Stain have made this announcement so that innocents know that catch is warzone and wont get ganked by one of the many fleet in the region. Imo that is the same as warning people to leave or will get shot. but with much more advanced notice. Stain has basically said they will shoot anyone who comes near them whos not a friend why for there militaries safety letting a neutral survive could cause stain to be at big disadvantage in a fleet battle if the enemy knows there numbers, ships, names and by time u say please leave that info known.
I myself have shot down suspicious ships. The difference between piracy and true fleet defense is WARNING. If I or our fleet captains suspect someone is a spy - jumping in and not moving on, n00b corp pilot in a n00b ship with 0 standing to anyone, remaining near our fleet or within scan distance of our fleet - we WARN them to move on. Only if they ignore our warnings do we shoot down these types of pilots - they are obviously spies. That separates us from the rats.
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Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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EinaruS
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Posted - 2004.10.19 08:54:00 -
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PLUS.. of every ATUK they killed Hombrey. Not so good idea
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EinaruS
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Posted - 2004.10.19 08:54:00 -
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PLUS.. of every ATUK they killed Hombrey. Not so good idea
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