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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.01 16:05:00 -
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This is an idea to create TII battleships using the tier 3 hulls (hyperion, abaddon ,rokh and maelstrom).
These new TII battleships -siege battleships- would have the ability to fit a single extra large (dreadnaught) weapon. This is their main feature. They would require carefull balancing for not to be overpowered (maybe a -50% RoF). Also they wouldn't have 8 high slots but maybe 3 or 4 (that could fit some medium sized weapons?).They would move around like normal battleships (no jumping and allowed in high-sec)
And so here is a few ideas for looks and names:
Amarr TII siege Battleship: Coronation
Hull: Abaddon
Gallente TII siege Battleship: Endymion
Hull: Hyperion
Caldari TII siege Battleship: Simurgh
Hull: Rokh
Minmatar TII siege Battleship: Storm
Hull: Maelstrom
I hope the picture links work as it is the first time i post something here.
Images were made by me from modified eve online screenshots.
Thank you for your time .
-Bentakhar
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.01 16:30:00 -
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Hmm yes i have no real idea for stats ... basically i would want these ships to deal halfway between a battleships and a carrier (on large targets: battleships, capitals and stations)
I just had this general idea with how they would look. 
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.11 13:10:00 -
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Thank you for all your support and ideas.
For those who asked: the pictures where created with photoshop using screenshots from eve.
Someone pointed out that "we dont need any bigger stealth bomber" well this isnt at all what i had in mind ... as those new TII BS would surely be able to tank (like a TI Bs but not much more to not overpower them). However what we can use from the SB is a very high volley dmg but a reasonnable DPS. Also they would be slower than regular bs. So really not much to do with Stealth bombers.
Im also working on 3D models of a new class of ships: Escort carriers. Same idea (Bs hulled ships with cap size weapons) this time they would carry a few (maybe 5) fighter drones. but they would be TI and with bran new hulls. But they could also be BC hulled as there are very few BC hulls.
Maybe these two ideas could be mixed altho im not sure how. Maybe a new class of ships , some featuring a single XL weapon and the gallente one featuring fighter drones? Im not sure if that would work ...plus it would be a shame not to fit an XL ion blaster on a green hyperion!!! :P
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.11 16:24:00 -
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Well i ve been rethinking the idea recently and maybe siege modules could be fitted. Making the ship unable to move when it fires and have very low dps and tank when it moves. It could help balancing them out too. I cant imagine an Xl pulse laser moving 900m/s and dealing full dps and tank.
The siege module would make it that these BS have a normal number of HP when deployed (similar to that of their TI variants or just slightly better) but would be very vulnerable before they get in position. DPS should be around 1500-1600 at maxed out skills
They would however be able to rely on a few medium/ large guns not to be as vulnerable against small targets as Stealth Bombers are. Also i wouldnt want these BS to cost about a billion isk like Marauders do. Something more affordable around 300m?
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.11 19:23:00 -
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AS i have said i Dont know about the stats as i dont pretend to be an expert at balancing ships. And i dont know the real effects of siege modules and all. This is AN IDEA for new TII BS. If you read carefully i have written many times that those BS would be half way (once deployed) between the dps of a BS and the dps of a carrier (around 1500 dps maybe)
So please lets stop saying "this is stupid look at the stats blabla" and look at THE IDEA and maybe make a proposition for stats.
Jeez people need to relax on this forum!!!
To sum up what i know:
>Its a TII BS
>Tier 3 hulls
>About 300m
>Uses an XL weapon + siege module doing about 1500dps
>Can fly like a normal BS (highsec and all)
>Is vulnerable until deployed
>Is awesome like the terran siege tank in strcraft
>Is imune to all kinds of forum skepticism
Now if someone can help me being a little more precise and looking at stats it would be very helpful.
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.11 20:39:00 -
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Yes Atheist i have NEVER FLOWN A CARRIER! so what? And im wrong about the dps for a carrier. I apologize! now does it matter?. And btw a tanathos with 14 drones (4 drone control units and a triage module in high slots) deals 1750dps according to EFT. Now im probably wrong again for some reason that you wont hesitate sharing with us.
I repeat this is just an ideafor a TII bs with a new role: helping fleets taking down capital targets and shooting hi sec POS or defending hisec POS, dealing roughly (when deployed) 1500dps so basically more than a BS and almost as much as a carrier. happy?
And i welcome you to come up with stats that work or modifications to the bonuses and all, it would be a little more constructive than the kind of criticism ur dealing. But if you do not like the idea, we get it, just stop posting. 
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.12 10:32:00 -
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Ahhh thank you 5ilent and Wrangler AI...
feels good to hear some people playing this game for fun and for the very badass sci-fi-ness of it!! for 2 years i ve been flying the ships i found were most efficient ... now i only fly the pretty ones
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.15 09:54:00 -
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Yes i understand that dreads exist already. only those are exclusively for low sec pilots. And also there isnt much to fill the gap between the dps done by a BS (around 1000dps) and a dread (about 6000dps) and this would be a ship class to fill that gap that isnt a carrier...nor a capital. As for the price IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE as expensive as existing TII BS HULLS! so quit arguing about stats that dont exist yet!
But i doubt this could be done any time soon with all the new TI faction BS, and the faction ships rebalance.
Ps: thx to all that support the idea 
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Resender
There's already ships out there for sieges
There called dreadnoughts, although I wouldn't mind seeing a T2 version of the tier3 hulls
ZOMFG! i didnt knew dreadnots exusted ...
READ THE PREVIOUS POSTS BEFORE SHARING YOUR OPINION.
I swear i've never seen a forum with such short-sighted *$%ñ/ers.
Dreads are ships for LOWSEC Sieges. Siege BS are ships for HISEC SIEGES.
this is the features and ideas discussion forum: discuss the idea.
spare us your criticism if its not constructive at all.
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Bentakhar
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Posted - 2009.09.18 13:01:00 -
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Empire siege ship is indeed the idea Tbear ;)
I insist on it having an XL weapon instead of regular BS weapons + siege module. it would reduce the siege module to an overgrown damage module. Its actually more than that.
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