Okay this i just can't stop being pissed over, I've been playing eve for 4 years now, I trained for 4 years to be perfected in mission running but 2 years ago i decided to train to become a mission salvager so i can start running missions to reprocess the items to build battleships to sell on the markets, but ever since the Inferno CCP has put the screws to the whole point of training for 2 whole years to be a salvager, now they got it where mission wrecks that has loot is rare, and then the wrecks that actual has loot is useless loot like Drone AI or 1 piece of **** scrap metal, before i could run a Drone mission then reprocess 233 unit of zydrine 98 megacyte now i get 0 that

The changes are to benefit miners. Not too long ago you could mine more ore in a Raven doing level 4 missions than in a mining barge. Anyone would agree that isn't a good thing.

Also 2 years training for a salvager? What skills for salvaging took 2 years?

The changes are to benefit miners. Not too long ago you could mine more ore in a Raven doing level 4 missions than in a mining barge. Anyone would agree that isn't a good thing.

Also 2 years training for a salvager? What skills for salvaging took 2 years?

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The changes are to benefit miners.

What does perfect battleship/drones/offensive/defensive training have to do with salvaging

You trained those skills to be better at running missions hence increasing you isk/h ratio. Salvage was/is/will be only an addition to this isk printer. You can still get salvage for rig production.
Gun mining is one of those silly things that are possible in this game. Good that CCP is finally fixing that.
You want to be an industrial - then be one. Get your materials through mining/market like it should be done.
Missions already provide you good isk. Use that isk and become true industrial if you are really interested in that.

Okay this i just can't stop being pissed over, I've been playing eve for 4 years now, I trained for 4 years to be perfected in mission running but 2 years ago i decided to train to become a mission salvager so i can start running missions to reprocess the items to build battleships to sell on the markets, but ever since the Inferno CCP has put the screws to the whole point of training for 2 whole years to be a salvager, now they got it where mission wrecks that has loot is rare, and then the wrecks that actual has loot is useless loot like Drone AI or 1 piece of **** scrap metal, before i could run a Drone mission then reprocess 233 unit of zydrine 98 megacyte now i get 0 that

Your first mistake is working for Lockheed Martin. You are already screwed. So it is entirely understandable that you feel that way in game as well. So sorry...

Salvaging before was a break line occupation for someone who makes real money running missions. Now they are below what I would do to run a Noctis. I really don't understand CCP creating the noctis then in return breaking the reason it was made to start with. Makes one think they smoke too much weed or something.

...(cough)WH Space(cough)

the noctis makes it about 5 times as fast to salvage a c3 full of sites

Which was a good reason to **** over hi-sec people. Does making missions useless to run for salvage help you in any way? I tried W-Space bunch of paranoid people stealing your **** when you turn your back. Good stuff Bro.

but that's why they call us salvagers, salvaging missions are a way of life just like mining is a way of life, we salvage because we don't like having to mine in low saec to build ships, it was equal to that of mining as a salvager for those who chooses the life of combat, this is why it's an outrage, they have ruined a major aspect of the game, how mad would you be if they reduced the mining belts to a small belt with small yields?

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Exactly, it was the equal to mining. That was a problem.

Just from bounties, mission rewards, and LP, you were making more isk/hour than a miner could ever hope to make. With drone alloys as well, not only were you making even more money, you were also making another profession obsolete. Thanks to those alloys, you were able to get a wider range of minerals in far less time and and with less risk than an actual miner.

This nerf didn't ruin your mission profits, which are still awesome thanks to LP. It just made mining less obsolete.

And before you pull that "NPC Corp" bull, look up the Ad Hominem. Whether someone is posting from an alt in a NPC corp or not has no bearing on the validity of their arguments. To say that it does is being qutie dishonest.

Dear Johnny i love you man using actual logic and backing it up with a definition... seriously you are awesome

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Exactly, it was the equal to mining. That was a problem.

Just from bounties, mission rewards, and LP, you were making more isk/hour than a miner could ever hope to make. With drone alloys as well, not only were you making even more money, you were also making another profession obsolete. Thanks to those alloys, you were able to get a wider range of minerals in far less time and and with less risk than an actual miner.

This nerf didn't ruin your mission profits, which are still awesome thanks to LP. It just made mining less obsolete.

And before you pull that "NPC Corp" bull, look up the Ad Hominem. Whether someone is posting from an alt in a NPC corp or not has no bearing on the validity of their arguments. To say that it does is being qutie dishonest.

Okay this i just can't stop being pissed over, I've been playing eve for 4 years now, I trained for 4 years to be perfected in mission running but 2 years ago i decided to train to become a mission salvager so i can start running missions to reprocess the items to build battleships to sell on the markets, but ever since the Inferno CCP has put the screws to the whole point of training for 2 whole years to be a salvager, now they got it where mission wrecks that has loot is rare, and then the wrecks that actual has loot is useless loot like Drone AI or 1 piece of **** scrap metal, before i could run a Drone mission then reprocess 233 unit of zydrine 98 megacyte now i get 0 that

Stop running drone missions. I regularly ninja salvage Level 4 Guristas and pull 10+M ISK in modules alone, not to mention salvage components for rigs.

CCP saw fit to rebalance the dynamic that mission runners were able to do a better, more efficient job of acquiring minerals than miners. Until rocks start giving bounties, I don't think you really have much to complain about.

Mission LP = Awesome. Wrong
Mission runners = made already obsolete miners obsolete. Wrong

Drone alloy I can almost agree with but the main buyer of such alloy was industrialist builders so you turned off another personGÇÖs way of playing the game by removing their supply. Do you see the problem when you break something over here, you break something else over there. It is the old drop the rock in the pond reaction. How about leave the stuff alone and play. Mining sucked from the start and always has. Nerfing the hell out of all the other players is why CCP has hemorrhaged its player base in the last couple of months.

I don't think anyone ever looks beyond their nose when developing this game. The Devs are just shortsighted and very very bad at planning and understanding the ramifications of their endless nerfing and buffing of special interest groups. One of the coolest games ever made and they **** it up every time they patch and NERF THE HELL OUT OF THEIR customers.

Your summary is wrong from the first word. "Equal" no such thing the rest of your post is just a continuation of your flawed understanding.

CCP asskissing 0.0 space made mining obsolete a long long time ago. Not mission runners but CCP and their nerfs to miniing anywhere but as a slave to tard epeens in 0.0. Good job

Why? Because you say so? A lot of mission runners don't even bother to loot and salvage after their missions, because they find that when they just go to their next one, they are making more isk/hour just with the bounties and LP.

"Mission runners = made already obsolete miners obsolete. Wrong"

Oh, and I argued that the drone alloys especially made miners more obsolete. Now they're just less obsolete.

"Drone alloy I can almost agree with but the main buyer of such alloy was industrialist builders so you turned off another personGÇÖs way of playing the game by removing their supply. Do you see the problem when you break something over here, you break something else over there. It is the old drop the rock in the pond reaction. How about leave the stuff alone and play. Mining sucked from the start and always has. Nerfing the hell out of all the other players is why CCP has hemorrhaged its player base in the last couple of months. "

You don't really know that much about industry or economics, do you?

The manufacturing players don't really care that much about mineral prices, since they're not the ones eating that cost. The end buyer is. When the mineral prices rise, the end product prices rise. The manufacturers are still making the same profit margin.

"I don't think anyone ever looks beyond their nose when developing this game. The Devs are just shortsighted and very very bad at planning and understanding the ramifications of their endless nerfing and buffing of special interest groups. One of the coolest games ever made and they **** it up every time they patch and NERF THE HELL OUT OF THEIR customers."

This paragraph I just find really hilarious. It fits just as well coming from a miner complaining about gun mining!

"Your summary is wrong from the first word. "Equal" no such thing the rest of your post is just a continuation of your flawed understanding."

Yeah.... My flawed understanding....

"CCP asskissing 0.0 space made mining obsolete a long long time ago. Not mission runners but CCP and their nerfs to miniing anywhere but as a slave to tard epeens in 0.0. Good job"

I would be really interested on hearing your reasoning here.

I used to turn ore from reprocessed loot into ships to sell. Then the change happened ...

A perfect noctis pilot takes two months, three if you count the support skills a mission pilot should already have. It takes another 70 days to train to PERFECT reprocessing. Grand total for training a mission pilot to salvage and reprocess with max skills: 130 days. Slightly more than 4 months.

edit: and 23 days worth of the industrial training also applies to ore refining, which means the character is cross-trained.

why would anyone want a perfect noctis pilot? you need like 15 days to get 90% of the efficiency and after that just train combat like any sane person....

you morons must be tripping if you all think when i said 2 years of training to be salvager means training my noctis and processing skills, i was referring to skills in combat, defensive, processing, salvaging, battleship skills, and drone skills, so you guys that are being idiots you can stop now