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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2012.06.04 16:32:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Eve is as boring as the rest if you play it long enough and you're not a bully or a thug.
Being a thug, pirate, murderer or a thief in Eve is the most exciting part of the game. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
18
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Posted - 2012.06.05 08:10:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:Eve is as boring as the rest if you play it long enough and you're not a bully or a thug. Being a thug, pirate, murderer or a thief in Eve is the most exciting part of the game.
and being hated by everyone is half the fun
sure |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
Alliance 99000802
635
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Posted - 2012.06.05 08:39:00 -
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Wait a few years and it too will become boring. In reality if you are more or less a casual/semi-solo player in Eve it will become boring quick.
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
18
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Posted - 2012.06.05 08:40:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Wait a few years and it too will become boring. In reality if you are more or less a casual/semi-solo player in Eve it will become boring quick.
good thing I also try to play with friends |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
Federal Consensus Outreach
1014
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Posted - 2012.06.05 09:07:00 -
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EVE isn't actually a very good video game. In fact, as video games go, it's pretty damn terrible.
However, it's far and away the best MMO that's ever been produced. No other MMO can touch it - heck, no other MMO can even come within light years of it.
Mane 614
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
75
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Posted - 2012.06.05 09:35:00 -
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EVE sucks in many ways but it when it sucks, it does so while trying to do something genuinely ambitious and awesome rather than hiding under the rock of Everquest Clone #2083
And when EVE is good it's better than anything. Anyone who's tried PvP will know what i mean by "the shakes". Just first fight, that first jump out of hi-sec with intent, going into W-space for the first time... no game has ever, ever given me that intensity of emotional reaction.
I genuinely and honestly pity those who see that intensity as something to be hated and avoided.
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
75
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Posted - 2012.06.05 09:36:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:EVE isn't actually a very good video game. In fact, as video games go, it's pretty damn terrible.
However, it's far and away the best MMO that's ever been produced. No other MMO can touch it - heck, no other MMO can even come within light years of it.
Most other "MMOs" aren't really "MMO"s. They're just lobby portals. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
974
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Posted - 2012.06.05 09:58:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:
For the moment it will also never be an RTS such as end of nations even though in my opinion it
has some rts characteristics.
While it'll probably never be a "true" RTS (starcraft, etc), one could make the argument that being a corp/alliance CEO(executor)/Director turns the game into a RTS ... in that you're always planning your next three moves, and working to get the resources, etc... |
Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
133
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Posted - 2012.06.05 12:10:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Eve is as boring as the rest if you play it long enough and you're not a bully or a thug.
Honestly, I don't think how it's played is based upon the original premise for the game.
I think its initial design was to encourage more "tribal warfare" and "empire building" style operations, with people running all over, doing massive amounts of different things in all portions of the game. Building, earning, fighting... All of it in all portions with both benefits and penalties that all sides felt. That is long dead and gone.
Talking to an "old timer" on some of this... Even he stopped and tried to recall when things changed from a "wild frontier" feel, where folks both fought *AND* stopped to help each other out, over to what we have today. (look at that "butterfly effect" video... *THAT* style of play is what was described back then - but any "real player" here will tell you "bunk" on it happening these days.)
Xenophobic and bully mindsets are the majority in this game. It's the more socially conscious types that are the minority here. The current implementation is to not just tolerate but encourage abuse of anything even remotely resembling "ethics" or "morality" or even just "different" from that mode of operation.
No I don't think this was the initial intent nor how most who started early on came into this game.
Now it's down to a large number "stuck" in one chunk of space and anyone that leaves there is supposed to only be out to kill others. The cooperative side has gone to xenophobia and destroying anything and anyone that you can.
The original "clans" and "empire building", coupling cooperation with competition... It's very thin these days. It is distilling down to bigots & bullies looking for victims more so than some "wild west" with the huge mix of activities that should be going on around the game world.
As such, there is a little of that old EVE left. It has thinned out a lot and seems to be thinning more as times advance. As you say, the longer you stick around, the fewer your options are unless you can assimilate the current abusive mindset.
I sometimes wonder if it hasn't become a social experiment: How low will they go if their inner bigots are allowed to run free?
It's just a game after all, so why have any type of ethical constraints on yourself? My answer to that: Don't judge people by what they have to do for a living. Judge them by what they choose to do for fun. THAT is what is at their core and EVE brings that core to the surface very clearly.
No, this isn't a condemnation - just recognition of changing times and ideologies. The player base makes or breaks this game - it tends to attract those with "like mindsets" and tries to force out any that don't follow the majorities credo.
What I've heard EVE was in the early days seems quite different than what it is now - with respect to more than just the technology and "pixelized" toys in it. Multiple accounts being the norm, gankers and camps all over, lopsided penalties due to bloated banks... Static empires that won't ever be challenged from without - just rot from within to fold... Yeah a lot has changed from a "vast, wild universe".
Such is life.  |
RomeStar
Astra Research
16
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Posted - 2012.06.05 13:58:00 -
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I recieved a beta key for the wow mists of pandora or something like that and I just deleted it as wow sucks compared to eve. If I wanted to play with a bunch of 10yr olds I would take my daughters to chuckie cheese atleast they have better games than wow there. |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:02:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:I recieved a beta key for the wow mists of pandora or something like that and I just deleted it as wow sucks compared to eve. If I wanted to play with a bunch of 10yr olds I would take my daughters to chuckie cheese atleast they have better games than wow there.
Played wow for over 6 years since closed beta to lvl 80 and I have to say there are far more bullies/grieffers in such samll game like eve then I've ever seen in over 6 years playing wow either pve or pvp servers.
I guess it's a matter of point of view but I'm seeing far more bullies in between 20 and 35 than 10 Yo kids in this game, witch pretty sad.
brb |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:05:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:RomeStar wrote:I recieved a beta key for the wow mists of pandora or something like that and I just deleted it as wow sucks compared to eve. If I wanted to play with a bunch of 10yr olds I would take my daughters to chuckie cheese atleast they have better games than wow there. Played wow for over 6 years since closed beta to lvl 80 and I have to say there are far more bullies/grieffers in such samll game like eve then I've ever seen in over 6 years playing wow either pve or pvp servers. I guess it's a matter of point of view but I'm seeing far more bullies in between 20 and 35 than 10 Yo kids in this game, witch pretty sad.
true, but rather than using the world
"bullies"
I would want to use the word , entrepreneurs
They enterprise off other's stupidity and lack of preparation in the less secured region
They form cartels in the market to gain a HUGE market share and drive the smaller companies out of business.
Capitalism at its very best , and its very worst |
Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:09:00 -
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There are OTHER MMO's? Really? |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
37
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:13:00 -
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anyone else lose the game?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1384
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:14:00 -
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El Geo wrote:anyone else lose the game?
Well I did now  |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
79
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:28:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:RomeStar wrote:I recieved a beta key for the wow mists of pandora or something like that and I just deleted it as wow sucks compared to eve. If I wanted to play with a bunch of 10yr olds I would take my daughters to chuckie cheese atleast they have better games than wow there. Played wow for over 6 years since closed beta to lvl 80 and I have to say there are far more bullies/grieffers in such samll game like eve then I've ever seen in over 6 years playing wow either pve or pvp servers. I guess it's a matter of point of view but I'm seeing far more bullies in between 20 and 35 than 10 Yo kids in this game, witch pretty sad.
A rabbit calls foxes "bullies". |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:57:00 -
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Quote:It is actually easy to play EVE casually, moreso than most other MMOs, thanks to the skill queue system.
This is not usually fully appreciated. EvE can certainly be played very hardcore, yet, at least once you know how the game works, its much more possible to play casually than really any other mmo.
Quote:Static empires that won't ever be challenged from without - just rot from within to fold... Yeah a lot has changed from a "vast, wild universe".
As a general rule, this has always been true in both Eve and in real life. That's not to say that external forces have no part to play however. I was briefly in IT alliance for the last couple months of their existence, which was a pretty interesting experience. What struck me about the whole thing is that as an alliance IT really didn't like each other very much. SRS isn't very big, but we have about as much regular presence on coms as IT did back then (excluding ops of course). Once the Fountain campaign failed, and Initiative could no longer be defended in Catch, it became clear we would be fighting in Querious and Delve. It may have been possible to defend that space, but the member corps really just didn't like each other, and there was apparently a great deal of strife between the leadership. As a result there was no fighting in Delve, IT just called it quits and split up.
That same general story has played out in the vast majority of other alliance collapses. External pressure bringing internal weaknesses to a head. |
BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2012.06.05 16:12:00 -
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Covert Kitty wrote:Quote:It is actually easy to play EVE casually, moreso than most other MMOs, thanks to the skill queue system. This is not usually fully appreciated. EvE can certainly be played very hardcore, yet, at least once you know how the game works, its much more possible to play casually than really any other mmo. Quote:Static empires that won't ever be challenged from without - just rot from within to fold... Yeah a lot has changed from a "vast, wild universe". As a general rule, this has always been true in both Eve and in real life. That's not to say that external forces have no part to play however. I was briefly in IT alliance for the last couple months of their existence, which was a pretty interesting experience. What struck me about the whole thing is that as an alliance IT really didn't like each other very much. SRS isn't very big, but we have about as much regular presence on coms as IT did back then (excluding ops of course). Once the Fountain campaign failed, and Initiative could no longer be defended in Catch, it became clear we would be fighting in Querious and Delve. It may have been possible to defend that space, but the member corps really just didn't like each other, and there was apparently a great deal of strife between the leadership. As a result there was no fighting in Delve, IT just called it quits and split up. That same general story has played out in the vast majority of other alliance collapses. External pressure bringing internal weaknesses to a head.
It was all epeens and egos. Little or no respect for the member corps leaders and definitely none for the rank and file from the alliance so-called leadership.
Pilots were just so many meatshields for the machinery.
After a while it simply gets old.
It's one thing to throw your all into a campaign you can believe in and be shown some small modicum of appreciation. 2am CTAs, entire personal hangars worth of ships thrown against every battle, mandatory hotline monitoring via IRC and a half-dozen other technologies; every bit worthwhile and readily given when the cause is just and the leadership upright.
It's an entirely different matter when all one receives is a never ending curse ridden diatribe of vitriol and thankless expectations coupled with threats for non-performance.
A simple "thanks" or "good job" goes miles. Sadly, all that was heard was derision and insult. No effort was ever "good enough" regardless of the outcome of the battle. It was as if we were being incessantly harangued by Gordon Ramsay's evil twin.
The point is reached when one realizes that this is a game, not a second job one pays to perform, and it is clear and obvious that joy and a sense of accomplishment simply cannot be found a midst the rubble and detritus of demanding oppression.
There is a saying; "Lincoln freed the slaves and the Supreme Court abolished indentured servitude".
Some alliance heads get it. Some do not. One, in particular, did not and likely still doesn't.
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
1401
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Posted - 2012.06.05 23:03:00 -
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Moved from EVE General Discussion.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Mina Hiragi
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.06 00:19:00 -
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EVE's the only MMO I regularly return to. Brief vacations in other games are sometimes nice, but these days, there's not even anything out there worth vacationing to.
I suspect I'll be ignoring ESO entirely; I'm still cringing in terror from the official announcement. I simply don't think the team behind it has the skills to make an MMO worthy of the Elder Scrolls, especially with Matt Firor running the show. (Yes, I'm still bitterbutthurt about his Executive Production of Dark Age of Trials of Everquest Lite.)
Still waiting for a 40K MMO, but that seems to be a mythical creature that will never be seen in our lifetimes.
Am excited for MWO, simply because freebirth scum need to die. 
Everything else, unless Fallout 4 or The Elder Scrolls VI: Elsweyr comes out, meh. (Or TES VI: Summerset Isle. I'm pretty sure I'm never going to get tired of decapitating Thalmor.) |
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Edward Khurelem
NIGHTMARE FACTORY INDUSTRIES
ROL.Citizens
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:24:00 -
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I found that when I stopped playing EVE for about 2 months, I went back to WoW for various reasons but I quickly bored of the shallow, structured game play and I just remember wanting to play Eve again because of just how varied it actually is.
I have a feeling that I will be playing this game for a long time at least til guild wars 2 comes out and probably once I bore of that it will be back to eve <3
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Nachteule Kohen
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:42:00 -
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lack of interest in gaming also has to do with age... as you grow older you start to care a lot less about mostly everything.
i played video games since age 4 and now i'm 28... the only game i care about is starcraft 2 (for casual) and eve.
i used to buy a new computer every year... now i'm on a computer that's 4 years old.
i tried to play diablo 3... which was fun until i finished it and went to "nightmare", i had to play the exact same game on a higher difficulty... for what purpose?
eve will last 10-30 years if it can... that's why we're all here. this game just doesn't die. |
Domer Pyle
Northwest Industries International
Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
3
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Posted - 2012.06.06 05:21:00 -
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PlanetSide 2. can't wait, even though some of the stuff that i liked from the original isn't gonna be there :(
i'm not a big MMO guy, though, so Bioshock: Infinite looks pretty cool, too. also the new Skyrim DLC.
but other than that, yeah. since gaming has become more mainstream, the games have followed suit. that's capitalism for you, i guess. |
Rara Yariza
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.06 07:17:00 -
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Another vote for arma II dayz mod. The guy who developed said it was more art than just a computer game, which despite that thought i'd give it a try anyway.
After playing it for a couple weeks i can see where he's coming from. It gets the adrenalin pumping, like EvE, but more than that there are times when it feels like, 'yeah, this is what it would be like if the zombie apocalypse happened' When you're crouch running through the fields, scanning the surroundings for zombies, prone walking so you aren't noticed and if you are do you want to risk firing the shot that could alert the horde? All the time in the back of your mind thinking 'does another player have me in his sights' You are vulnerable and aware of it every time you make a move. When you die you lose everything you have. |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
Against ALL Authorities
315
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Posted - 2012.06.06 08:33:00 -
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No other MMO has ever interested me simply because there is no real danger or consequences. Long live the sandbox ! 
Well, WoT was fun but it's not a real MMO but a shooter. Looking forward to mechwarrior online. Always return to Battlefield series like an old friend.
There are still excellent in depth games if you look hard enough, like Crusader Kings II, but the focus on console market and games for the idiotic masses has ruined gaming quality.
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES !
Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |
Alain Kinsella
120
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:11:00 -
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:The point is reached when one realizes that this is a game, not a second job one pays to perform, and it is clear and obvious that joy and a sense of accomplishment simply cannot be found a midst the rubble and detritus of demanding oppression.
Some alliance heads get it. Some do not. One, in particular, did not and likely still doesn't.
This is the reason I have not been involved in Null (other than the occasional Agony fleet) for some time. Not that I don't want to, but because of the culture which still predominates there. I come here to relax from work, not be involved in another job (I'll drop all online gaming first, and re-focus my efforts back to FOSS projects - which, ironically, I had started thanks to SL). I love challenges, and PvP (to me) is not challenging as part of a cog in a group; Even PvE is not interesting or a challenge. Industry *is* a challenge to me, at any level or scale (because of its complexity and logistical scope), and has never lost my attention.
Regarding different types of online game, its why I had so much hope for Myst Online / Uru. An MMO which focused purely on RPG elements, no combat at all, and story would be driven by interaction between the players and the Cyan-driven actors. Unfortunately it all broke down under some of the same infighting seen here; Possibly for the worse, because some (like myself) presented their RL selves to the community, and as I liked to say "when your only weapon is words..." *sigh* We lost a lot of good people that way - some dropped from the Internet entirely.
Also, for 'ultimate metagame' Travian still wins. Moreso that they went P2W (the Gold system).
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Xenuria
Center Haus
Apocalypse Now.
523
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:02:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:I hear Elder Scrolls Online is coming out at some point.
Still not internet spaceships though...
Bethesda really **** the bed with that. It looks terrible and is going to crash and burn, costing them loads of cash that they could/should have used to re-make morrowind.
The Future of GoonSwarm |
Cadhla Ovsanna
Macabre Votum
Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.06.11 06:27:00 -
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<----- plays tanks :) |
Sarulin Farii
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 01:17:00 -
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I don't play other MMO's anymore, ive tried swtor/tera etc thro others. Only word i can think of is "Meh". I play dota2 (for the variation). Il prob be trying out planetside 2 aswell, just because of playing the first one.. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
28
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Posted - 2012.06.12 13:38:00 -
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Cadhla Ovsanna wrote:<----- plays tanks :)
snooki? |
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