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Ivy Romanova All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts 13	Posted - 2012.06.04 06:27:00 - [1] - Quote Summer the season of brilliant new titles and gaming innovations If I were the person I was half a year ago , I would sell my car to get to E3 to have my taste of the future But now .... I'm not sure if its just me , or are other video games getting increasingly dull after I've started playing EVE Online Max Payne ? meh , seen it , done that Ghost Recon? nothing new... Bioshock Infinite? what? other video game titles just doesn't excite me anymore , compared with EVE online , they are just...... lack luster and repeatitive , the instant gratification just doesn't give me an adrenaline rush anymore whats the value of accomplishment when you didn't even have to work for it?? now , I don't know if thats a good thing or not , but I'm just putting it out there , wondering if anyone feels the same way as I do.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 290	Posted - 2012.06.04 06:41:00 - [2] - Quote Really hard to play another MMO after EVE. I do play other games but if it is a time intensive game I can't even bother, EVE is time intensive enough.
Ivy Romanova All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts 14	Posted - 2012.06.04 06:54:00 - [3] - Quote Vaal Erit wrote: Really hard to play another MMO after EVE. I do play other games but if it is a time intensive game I can't even bother, EVE is time intensive enough. I see I am not alone
Solhild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 711	Posted - 2012.06.04 06:57:00 - [4] - Quote Only MMO I've played for the last four years Continuous development of FIS, WIS, PVP, PVE, new star bases, core technology and UI improvements will keep me here indefinitely.
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 291	Posted - 2012.06.04 06:58:00 - [5] - Quote I hear Elder Scrolls Online is coming out at some point. Still not internet spaceships though...
Tallian Saotome Fractured Core Fatal Ascension 772	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:01:00 - [6] - Quote World of Warplanes.... That is all. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Lexmana Imperial Stout 510	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:01:00 - [7] - Quote When I get tired of EVE I play The Impossible Game on my phone/pad. I might need help.
Fairhand Aliastra Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:02:00 - [8] - Quote You could try Arma 2 with the DayZ zombie mod. It is a FPS with PvP. I know the mod is still in development but it has the tension, it is hard and you don't know if the zombies or the other players are the worse threat.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 177	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:08:00 - [9] - Quote It is actually easy to play EVE casually, moreso than most other MMOs, thanks to the skill queue system. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Sri Nova Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:09:00 - [10] - Quote Gaming has taken a huge step backwards it has been occurring for quite awhile. i was going to place a number on the years but the more i thought about it the more i realized just how much we have lost . R.I.P Star Wars Galaxies R.I.P. Allegiance (not really dead but only a shadow) R.I.P. Earth and Beyond At some point the industry shifted and stopped offering in depth game experiences . games became more streamlined and less about exploring the mechanics and or the environment . More and more games placed the player in a limited environment that controlled their exposure to the game world. Forcefully directed their progress through the game and reduced the challenge to accomplish in game goals. Choice and variety has been removed from alot a games you will find that in many games, player tools are reduced to 3 or 4 types and balanced poorly. When i say poorly i mean that the developer has subscribed to the theory that every tool should be within line with the other. Making all the tools pretty much the same as the other albeit with just a different skin and effect. These changes maybe an effect , that gaming has become a much more demanding process on developers. Art assets are a true problem these days as they are freaking expensive in both time and money . Game engines requiring more elaborate methods to interact in the environments and probably require special talents from a talent pool that is already limited. These factors take time and money from building an epic game. Yet there is still light at the end of this tunnel the recent successful kick starters have shown that their is a demand for better and more creative titles. With the highly successful indie market proving that their is good ideas and talent still out there, hopefully with these two combining we will see a third renaissance in gaming .

Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 519	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:09:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah, hehe, I recently ran through a few Classic FPS games. Though fun (Bioshock 1+2, Quake 4, DX:HR, Prey, Doom 3 etc.) there was something severely lacking. Risk. If I die all my stuff is still there, maybe my health is a bit lower then before but no problem, candy bars all around. Worst that can happen is I die just before a checkpoint and I have to go through the level again. And I know these are not MMO's but what I've gathered from other MMO's is that the same thing applies to them as FPS's, no risk at all. So I'm stuck with EVE forever it seems since no-one else dares to take the glove up agains CCP's game philosophy. Who needs television when you have EVE? EVE drama, best drama.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club 100	Posted - 2012.06.04 07:09:00 - [12] - Quote Well, maybe it's not that other games are really dull, maybe it's because Eve gives all we really want from a game. You have MMO without skills grind, pvp is everywhere either direct (shooting ppl) or indirect (market competition), economy is not created by elves, almost no boundaries in what you can do, you have drama, you have politics, you have trolls, you have shakes after a fight, you have quite heavy industrial side, you have missions, "uncharted" places in form of wormholes, constant progress in graphics, scheduled expansions adding more of everything mentioned above (especially drama)... It's hard to go and kill gnomes when you just blown somebody's spacepixels into oblivion and killmail shows it was worth 40 real live euro/dollars and you know somewhere somebody is raging right now :) I admit, this weekend I played Max Payne 3 a lot but it's because I like this series. And it has a nice story, Max is great character to play, Sao Paulo is nice location to "visit" with a gun in your hand and the way they show us Max's reality full of booze and painkillers with shattering vision and stuff is great but... I know I will return to Eve in no time. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Espen Egak Bootleg Vitamin Something Posing As Meat 61	Posted - 2012.06.04 08:17:00 - [13] - Quote Fairhand wrote: You could try Arma 2 with the DayZ zombie mod. It is a FPS with PvP. I know the mod is still in development but it has the tension, it is hard and you don't know if the zombies or the other players are the worse threat. I this mod aswell it's the most awesome and entertaining shooter ever made :) i hope it'll get better server response though.
Nariya Kentaya Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking 203	Posted - 2012.06.04 08:21:00 - [14] - Quote Bernie Nator wrote: I hear Elder Scrolls Online is coming out at some point. Still not internet spaceships though... i saw that, it's gameplay design isn't even worthy of being considered an Elder Scrolls game, i mean, class-based combat with catoony/stylized graphics? they are just reskinning WoW and calling it Tamriel.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1241	Posted - 2012.06.04 08:21:00 - [15] - Quote I only started playing a year ago. Eve is awesome.
Makkal Hanaya Drakenburg 11	Posted - 2012.06.04 08:30:00 - [16] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: If I were the person I was half a year ago , I would sell my car to get to E3 to have my taste of the future The person you were half a year ago was an idiot. Be glad you're not her. Ivy Romanova wrote: I LOVE EVE !!! its perhaps one of the BEST games I've EVER played Love the enthusiasm. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
Kopfy 20	Posted - 2012.06.04 08:36:00 - [17] - Quote EVE is the game you play while playing other games, in the sense that you'll always come back to EVE other games not so much. I play Dark Souls, Demons Souls and Skyrim when i don't feel like playing EVE for a while. But i always come back to EVE. EVE infinity because if you get hooked you'll never really leave.
Cloned S0ul Blood Fanatics 110	Posted - 2012.06.04 08:45:00 - [18] - Quote I wait for Outerra Anteworld, potenial good game where people may sink into it like to minecraft but still in alpha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA7s6oyl3vo
Jandice Ymladris Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction 40	Posted - 2012.06.04 08:47:00 - [19] - Quote Have to agree there, Eve offers a depth & impact almost no other game can offer these days. The player driven market, the single sharded universe (one server where everone plays) and the fact you're nowhere truly safe adds to the game. You know you make an impact, however small it is on the game.
Ivy Romanova All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts 14	Posted - 2012.06.04 09:54:00 - [20] - Quote Kopfy wrote: EVE is the game you play while playing other games, in the sense that you'll always come back to EVE other games not so much. I play Dark Souls, Demons Souls and Skyrim when i don't feel like playing EVE for a while. But i always come back to EVE. EVE infinity because if you get hooked you'll never really leave. afk miners can suck it

Korsiri Mousetrap Building Inc. 39	Posted - 2012.06.04 11:33:00 - [21] - Quote when you've been playing for a while, meaning a few years, you've pretty much seen it all. They can get better eye candy, maybe a new subsystem, some supposedly revolutionary gameplay but still be fairly predictable. I see this as a two fold problem: people are people, they just can't think that far outside the box, always, at least in a timely manner, so that a new game would be something waaaay different and done soon enough that people could actually play it (or maybe that's just effort versus reward). The other reason is accounting - why make something truly innovative, when the old model works and makes money? This is not just for MMOs but all games. I've been a gamer a long time. There just aren't that many unique games out there. It's hard to be excited by new games when they're just more of the same old same old. Maybe a little prettier, but to this jaundiced eye, it's more about the gameplay. That's exactly why I like Eve. You can make it prettier if you want, and I do enjoy what's been done so far, but it's more about how we play, and what we're allowed to do, that makes it the best game out there imo. Plus there really isn't another sandbox, except in RPGs like the Elder Scrolls series. I dunno why they all went to cookie cutter where you can't even interact with the environment, fully. Anyway, tl;dr: games come and go in cycles, only sandboxes can continue being innovative as an entire game instead of a single, simple system
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 102	Posted - 2012.06.04 11:41:00 - [22] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: Summer the season of brilliant new titles and gaming innovations If I were the person I was half a year ago , I would sell my car to get to E3 to have my taste of the future But now .... I'm not sure if its just me , or are other video games getting increasingly dull after I've started playing EVE Online Max Payne ? meh , seen it , done that Ghost Recon? nothing new... Bioshock Infinite? what? other video game titles just doesn't excite me anymore , compared with EVE online , they are just...... lack luster and repeatitive , the instant gratification just doesn't give me an adrenaline rush anymore whats the value of accomplishment when you didn't even have to work for it?? I LOVE EVE !!! its perhaps one of the BEST games I've EVER played its like French gourmet , but sometimes , you'll just ,miss the old old burger ,sadly , you can't enough put it in your mouth without pulling faces now , I don't know if thats a good thing or not , but I'm just putting it out there , wondering if anyone feels the same way as I do. If this is a letter of love to CCP Soundwave you have to ask Goonswarm agreement first. (bzzzz bees are coming) Also: bring a couple bottles of Jack single barrel, then we can discuss.
Miang Hawwa Amphysvena 2	Posted - 2012.06.04 11:45:00 - [23] - Quote Guild Wars 2 - Interesting Final Fantaxy XIV Re-launch - We'll see Diablo 3 - Disappointed Crysis 3 - Looks good Warface - I'll have to try Max Payne 3 - I like it TES Online - Maybe I'll give it a chance... maybe not SWtOR - Fail Black Ops 2 - Let's see... Dark Souls Prepare To Die Edition (PC) - I'll buy it The Secret World - Fail Rift - Fail Mechwarrior Online - I like it. I'll give it a try Hawken - Nice graphics. Let's see the gameplay
Kopfy 20	Posted - 2012.06.04 12:22:00 - [24] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: Kopfy wrote: EVE is the game you play while playing other games, in the sense that you'll always come back to EVE other games not so much. I play Dark Souls, Demons Souls and Skyrim when i don't feel like playing EVE for a while. But i always come back to EVE. EVE infinity because if you get hooked you'll never really leave. afk miners can suck it I think you misunderstood me. What i meant with "EVE is the game you play while playing other games" was that whatever game you try or buy you always log in to EVE in the evening. Not that you play an other game at the same time as EVE, and as you answered afk mine, but in between you EVE sessions. Maybe not the best phrasing but this is the way i read it in a thread similar to this one. In my opinion to AFK mine isn't really to play the game. But that's just me.
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 291	Posted - 2012.06.04 15:51:00 - [25] - Quote Nariya Kentaya wrote: Bernie Nator wrote: I hear Elder Scrolls Online is coming out at some point. Still not internet spaceships though... i saw that, it's gameplay design isn't even worthy of being considered an Elder Scrolls game, i mean, class-based combat with catoony/stylized graphics? they are just reskinning WoW and calling it Tamriel. That's actually really disappointing. Here I was hoping for something innovative and then have to go and do that? Well, maybe the alchemy system will be broken, so you can make oodles of gold before getting high level.
Yatama Kautsuo State War Academy Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.06.04 15:55:00 - [26] - Quote it's the exact same feeling i have after i played 2.5 years of darkfall online... every other game got destroyed with this experience i had... sadly it pretty much died, that's why i don't play it anymore... i tried eve afterwards and it's the only thing which is interesting for more than one year so far and i have so much more to discover... speaks for eve i guess :) still, i miss darkfall so much
Echo Vector Odyssey SEC Phoenix Virtue 0	Posted - 2012.06.04 16:03:00 - [27] - Quote Frankly, the damned game has ruined me for life. I've been playing "games" since Hunt the Wumpus on mainframes back before a lot of you were born. This thing, however, has taken the cake. And the icing. And a damned large chunk of my time, money, soul........etc. The really sad part? I wouldn't trade one second of it from then til now for anything. And that is after freely admitting that I sucked huge cheesy balls at this game when I first started playing and all these years later I STILL suck huge cheesy balls.......I amaze myself at the never-ending ways that I find to fail most epicly. That I continue to log on and subject myself to the torture ( and my opponents to the lulz ) is testimony to the allure the game holds over me. Or to my stupidity and insanity......... Take your pick.
Ban Bindy Bindy Brothers Pottery Association 251	Posted - 2012.06.04 16:05:00 - [28] - Quote Eve is as boring as the rest if you play it long enough and you're not a bully or a thug.
Price Check Aisle3 53	Posted - 2012.06.04 16:07:00 - [29] - Quote I just started playing Ultima 7 for the second time.
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit 27	Posted - 2012.06.04 16:18:00 - [30] - Quote Now EvE Online does a lot of things well and is generally the best MMO game that I have played. However it can only do certain things, so for example it will never be a close combat, fantasy, skyrim like FPS on one server. It will never be a MMO set in modern times or for example world war 2 as an FPS like Arma 2 [I want that]. Nor a civilization style MMO [at least not yet]. For the moment it will also never be an RTS such as end of nations even though in my opinion it has some rts characteristics. It will also never be a casual pick up and play fps on multiple servers like planetside 2 [dust 514 doesn't count because its connected to tranquility]. Neither will it be something like Mechwarrior Online. It also has a few things missing for me such as being able to make your own currency, multiple pilots/controller to a ship, direct piloting of a ship and such-forth [such as Infinity: Quest For Earth, whenever that comes out]. Eve Online doesn't have everything. For me however a true in-depth MMO that I will play all the time has to have one server, one universe from now on. Basically it would have to share the characteristics of eve. However I could also make do with a casual MMO like Planetside 2, to play alongside my main MMO [someone make a tribes MMO please!].

Alexandra Delarge The Korova 67	Posted - 2012.06.04 16:32:00 - [31] - Quote Ban Bindy wrote: Eve is as boring as the rest if you play it long enough and you're not a bully or a thug. Being a thug, pirate, murderer or a thief in Eve is the most exciting part of the game.
Ivy Romanova All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts 18	Posted - 2012.06.05 08:10:00 - [32] - Quote Alexandra Delarge wrote: Ban Bindy wrote: Eve is as boring as the rest if you play it long enough and you're not a bully or a thug. Being a thug, pirate, murderer or a thief in Eve is the most exciting part of the game. and being hated by everyone is half the fun sure
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802 635	Posted - 2012.06.05 08:39:00 - [33] - Quote Wait a few years and it too will become boring. In reality if you are more or less a casual/semi-solo player in Eve it will become boring quick.
Ivy Romanova All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts 18	Posted - 2012.06.05 08:40:00 - [34] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: Wait a few years and it too will become boring. In reality if you are more or less a casual/semi-solo player in Eve it will become boring quick. good thing I also try to play with friends
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach 1014	Posted - 2012.06.05 09:07:00 - [35] - Quote EVE isn't actually a very good video game. In fact, as video games go, it's pretty damn terrible. However, it's far and away the best MMO that's ever been produced. No other MMO can touch it - heck, no other MMO can even come within light years of it. Mane 614
Pheusia Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 75	Posted - 2012.06.05 09:35:00 - [36] - Quote EVE sucks in many ways but it when it sucks, it does so while trying to do something genuinely ambitious and awesome rather than hiding under the rock of Everquest Clone #2083 And when EVE is good it's better than anything. Anyone who's tried PvP will know what i mean by "the shakes". Just first fight, that first jump out of hi-sec with intent, going into W-space for the first time... no game has ever, ever given me that intensity of emotional reaction. I genuinely and honestly pity those who see that intensity as something to be hated and avoided.
Pheusia Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 75	Posted - 2012.06.05 09:36:00 - [37] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: EVE isn't actually a very good video game. In fact, as video games go, it's pretty damn terrible. However, it's far and away the best MMO that's ever been produced. No other MMO can touch it - heck, no other MMO can even come within light years of it. Most other "MMOs" aren't really "MMO"s. They're just lobby portals.
Velicitia Open Designs 974	Posted - 2012.06.05 09:58:00 - [38] - Quote Terranid Meester wrote: For the moment it will also never be an RTS such as end of nations even though in my opinion it has some rts characteristics. While it'll probably never be a "true" RTS (starcraft, etc), one could make the argument that being a corp/alliance CEO(executor)/Director turns the game into a RTS ... in that you're always planning your next three moves, and working to get the resources, etc...
Mocam EVE University Ivy League 133	Posted - 2012.06.05 12:10:00 - [39] - Quote Ban Bindy wrote: Eve is as boring as the rest if you play it long enough and you're not a bully or a thug. Honestly, I don't think how it's played is based upon the original premise for the game. I think its initial design was to encourage more "tribal warfare" and "empire building" style operations, with people running all over, doing massive amounts of different things in all portions of the game. Building, earning, fighting... All of it in all portions with both benefits and penalties that all sides felt. That is long dead and gone. Talking to an "old timer" on some of this... Even he stopped and tried to recall when things changed from a "wild frontier" feel, where folks both fought AND stopped to help each other out, over to what we have today. (look at that "butterfly effect" video... THAT style of play is what was described back then - but any "real player" here will tell you "bunk" on it happening these days.) Xenophobic and bully mindsets are the majority in this game. It's the more socially conscious types that are the minority here. The current implementation is to not just tolerate but encourage abuse of anything even remotely resembling "ethics" or "morality" or even just "different" from that mode of operation. No I don't think this was the initial intent nor how most who started early on came into this game. Now it's down to a large number "stuck" in one chunk of space and anyone that leaves there is supposed to only be out to kill others. The cooperative side has gone to xenophobia and destroying anything and anyone that you can. The original "clans" and "empire building", coupling cooperation with competition... It's very thin these days. It is distilling down to bigots & bullies looking for victims more so than some "wild west" with the huge mix of activities that should be going on around the game world. As such, there is a little of that old EVE left. It has thinned out a lot and seems to be thinning more as times advance. As you say, the longer you stick around, the fewer your options are unless you can assimilate the current abusive mindset. I sometimes wonder if it hasn't become a social experiment: How low will they go if their inner bigots are allowed to run free? It's just a game after all, so why have any type of ethical constraints on yourself? My answer to that: Don't judge people by what they have to do for a living. Judge them by what they choose to do for fun. THAT is what is at their core and EVE brings that core to the surface very clearly. No, this isn't a condemnation - just recognition of changing times and ideologies. The player base makes or breaks this game - it tends to attract those with "like mindsets" and tries to force out any that don't follow the majorities credo. What I've heard EVE was in the early days seems quite different than what it is now - with respect to more than just the technology and "pixelized" toys in it. Multiple accounts being the norm, gankers and camps all over, lopsided penalties due to bloated banks... Static empires that won't ever be challenged from without - just rot from within to fold... Yeah a lot has changed from a "vast, wild universe". Such is life.
RomeStar Astra Research 16	Posted - 2012.06.05 13:58:00 - [40] - Quote I recieved a beta key for the wow mists of pandora or something like that and I just deleted it as wow sucks compared to eve. If I wanted to play with a bunch of 10yr olds I would take my daughters to chuckie cheese atleast they have better games than wow there.

Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 105	Posted - 2012.06.05 14:02:00 - [41] - Quote RomeStar wrote: I recieved a beta key for the wow mists of pandora or something like that and I just deleted it as wow sucks compared to eve. If I wanted to play with a bunch of 10yr olds I would take my daughters to chuckie cheese atleast they have better games than wow there. Played wow for over 6 years since closed beta to lvl 80 and I have to say there are far more bullies/grieffers in such samll game like eve then I've ever seen in over 6 years playing wow either pve or pvp servers. I guess it's a matter of point of view but I'm seeing far more bullies in between 20 and 35 than 10 Yo kids in this game, witch pretty sad. brb
Ivy Romanova All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts 22	Posted - 2012.06.05 14:05:00 - [42] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: RomeStar wrote: I recieved a beta key for the wow mists of pandora or something like that and I just deleted it as wow sucks compared to eve. If I wanted to play with a bunch of 10yr olds I would take my daughters to chuckie cheese atleast they have better games than wow there. Played wow for over 6 years since closed beta to lvl 80 and I have to say there are far more bullies/grieffers in such samll game like eve then I've ever seen in over 6 years playing wow either pve or pvp servers. I guess it's a matter of point of view but I'm seeing far more bullies in between 20 and 35 than 10 Yo kids in this game, witch pretty sad. true, but rather than using the world "bullies" I would want to use the word , entrepreneurs They enterprise off other's stupidity and lack of preparation in the less secured region They form cartels in the market to gain a HUGE market share and drive the smaller companies out of business. Capitalism at its very best , and its very worst
Reverend Cletis Synister Mynisters 13	Posted - 2012.06.05 14:09:00 - [43] - Quote There are OTHER MMO's? Really?
El Geo Pathfinders. 37	Posted - 2012.06.05 14:13:00 - [44] - Quote anyone else lose the game?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1384	Posted - 2012.06.05 14:14:00 - [45] - Quote El Geo wrote: anyone else lose the game? Well I did now
Pheusia Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 79	Posted - 2012.06.05 14:28:00 - [46] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: RomeStar wrote: I recieved a beta key for the wow mists of pandora or something like that and I just deleted it as wow sucks compared to eve. If I wanted to play with a bunch of 10yr olds I would take my daughters to chuckie cheese atleast they have better games than wow there. Played wow for over 6 years since closed beta to lvl 80 and I have to say there are far more bullies/grieffers in such samll game like eve then I've ever seen in over 6 years playing wow either pve or pvp servers. I guess it's a matter of point of view but I'm seeing far more bullies in between 20 and 35 than 10 Yo kids in this game, witch pretty sad. A rabbit calls foxes "bullies".
Covert Kitty SRS Industries SRS. 197	Posted - 2012.06.05 14:57:00 - [47] - Quote Quote: It is actually easy to play EVE casually, moreso than most other MMOs, thanks to the skill queue system. This is not usually fully appreciated. EvE can certainly be played very hardcore, yet, at least once you know how the game works, its much more possible to play casually than really any other mmo. Quote: Static empires that won't ever be challenged from without - just rot from within to fold... Yeah a lot has changed from a "vast, wild universe". As a general rule, this has always been true in both Eve and in real life. That's not to say that external forces have no part to play however. I was briefly in IT alliance for the last couple months of their existence, which was a pretty interesting experience. What struck me about the whole thing is that as an alliance IT really didn't like each other very much. SRS isn't very big, but we have about as much regular presence on coms as IT did back then (excluding ops of course). Once the Fountain campaign failed, and Initiative could no longer be defended in Catch, it became clear we would be fighting in Querious and Delve. It may have been possible to defend that space, but the member corps really just didn't like each other, and there was apparently a great deal of strife between the leadership. As a result there was no fighting in Delve, IT just called it quits and split up. That same general story has played out in the vast majority of other alliance collapses. External pressure bringing internal weaknesses to a head.
BellaDonna Nyghtshade Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2012.06.05 16:12:00 - [48] - Quote Covert Kitty wrote: Quote: It is actually easy to play EVE casually, moreso than most other MMOs, thanks to the skill queue system. This is not usually fully appreciated. EvE can certainly be played very hardcore, yet, at least once you know how the game works, its much more possible to play casually than really any other mmo. Quote: Static empires that won't ever be challenged from without - just rot from within to fold... Yeah a lot has changed from a "vast, wild universe". As a general rule, this has always been true in both Eve and in real life. That's not to say that external forces have no part to play however. I was briefly in IT alliance for the last couple months of their existence, which was a pretty interesting experience. What struck me about the whole thing is that as an alliance IT really didn't like each other very much. SRS isn't very big, but we have about as much regular presence on coms as IT did back then (excluding ops of course). Once the Fountain campaign failed, and Initiative could no longer be defended in Catch, it became clear we would be fighting in Querious and Delve. It may have been possible to defend that space, but the member corps really just didn't like each other, and there was apparently a great deal of strife between the leadership. As a result there was no fighting in Delve, IT just called it quits and split up. That same general story has played out in the vast majority of other alliance collapses. External pressure bringing internal weaknesses to a head. It was all epeens and egos. Little or no respect for the member corps leaders and definitely none for the rank and file from the alliance so-called leadership. Pilots were just so many meatshields for the machinery. After a while it simply gets old. It's one thing to throw your all into a campaign you can believe in and be shown some small modicum of appreciation. 2am CTAs, entire personal hangars worth of ships thrown against every battle, mandatory hotline monitoring via IRC and a half-dozen other technologies; every bit worthwhile and readily given when the cause is just and the leadership upright. It's an entirely different matter when all one receives is a never ending curse ridden diatribe of vitriol and thankless expectations coupled with threats for non-performance. A simple "thanks" or "good job" goes miles. Sadly, all that was heard was derision and insult. No effort was ever "good enough" regardless of the outcome of the battle. It was as if we were being incessantly harangued by Gordon Ramsay's evil twin. The point is reached when one realizes that this is a game, not a second job one pays to perform, and it is clear and obvious that joy and a sense of accomplishment simply cannot be found a midst the rubble and detritus of demanding oppression. There is a saying; "Lincoln freed the slaves and the Supreme Court abolished indentured servitude". Some alliance heads get it. Some do not. One, in particular, did not and likely still doesn't.

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 1401	Posted - 2012.06.05 23:03:00 - [49] - Quote Moved from EVE General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator

Mina Hiragi Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 62	Posted - 2012.06.06 00:19:00 - [50] - Quote EVE's the only MMO I regularly return to. Brief vacations in other games are sometimes nice, but these days, there's not even anything out there worth vacationing to. I suspect I'll be ignoring ESO entirely; I'm still cringing in terror from the official announcement. I simply don't think the team behind it has the skills to make an MMO worthy of the Elder Scrolls, especially with Matt Firor running the show. (Yes, I'm still bitterbutthurt about his Executive Production of Dark Age of Trials of Everquest Lite.) Still waiting for a 40K MMO, but that seems to be a mythical creature that will never be seen in our lifetimes. Am excited for MWO, simply because freebirth scum need to die. Everything else, unless Fallout 4 or The Elder Scrolls VI: Elsweyr comes out, meh. (Or TES VI: Summerset Isle. I'm pretty sure I'm never going to get tired of decapitating Thalmor.)

Edward Khurelem NIGHTMARE FACTORY INDUSTRIES ROL.Citizens 5	Posted - 2012.06.06 01:24:00 - [51] - Quote I found that when I stopped playing EVE for about 2 months, I went back to WoW for various reasons but I quickly bored of the shallow, structured game play and I just remember wanting to play Eve again because of just how varied it actually is. I have a feeling that I will be playing this game for a long time at least til guild wars 2 comes out and probably once I bore of that it will be back to eve <3
Nachteule Kohen 5	Posted - 2012.06.06 03:42:00 - [52] - Quote lack of interest in gaming also has to do with age... as you grow older you start to care a lot less about mostly everything. i played video games since age 4 and now i'm 28... the only game i care about is starcraft 2 (for casual) and eve. i used to buy a new computer every year... now i'm on a computer that's 4 years old. i tried to play diablo 3... which was fun until i finished it and went to "nightmare", i had to play the exact same game on a higher difficulty... for what purpose? eve will last 10-30 years if it can... that's why we're all here. this game just doesn't die.
Domer Pyle Northwest Industries International Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera 3	Posted - 2012.06.06 05:21:00 - [53] - Quote PlanetSide 2. can't wait, even though some of the stuff that i liked from the original isn't gonna be there :( i'm not a big MMO guy, though, so Bioshock: Infinite looks pretty cool, too. also the new Skyrim DLC. but other than that, yeah. since gaming has become more mainstream, the games have followed suit. that's capitalism for you, i guess.
Rara Yariza Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2012.06.06 07:17:00 - [54] - Quote Another vote for arma II dayz mod. The guy who developed said it was more art than just a computer game, which despite that thought i'd give it a try anyway. After playing it for a couple weeks i can see where he's coming from. It gets the adrenalin pumping, like EvE, but more than that there are times when it feels like, 'yeah, this is what it would be like if the zombie apocalypse happened' When you're crouch running through the fields, scanning the surroundings for zombies, prone walking so you aren't noticed and if you are do you want to risk firing the shot that could alert the horde? All the time in the back of your mind thinking 'does another player have me in his sights' You are vulnerable and aware of it every time you make a move. When you die you lose everything you have.
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 315	Posted - 2012.06.06 08:33:00 - [55] - Quote No other MMO has ever interested me simply because there is no real danger or consequences. Long live the sandbox ! Well, WoT was fun but it's not a real MMO but a shooter. Looking forward to mechwarrior online. Always return to Battlefield series like an old friend. There are still excellent in depth games if you look hard enough, like Crusader Kings II, but the focus on console market and games for the idiotic masses has ruined gaming quality. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1
Alain Kinsella 120	Posted - 2012.06.06 17:11:00 - [56] - Quote BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote: The point is reached when one realizes that this is a game, not a second job one pays to perform, and it is clear and obvious that joy and a sense of accomplishment simply cannot be found a midst the rubble and detritus of demanding oppression. Some alliance heads get it. Some do not. One, in particular, did not and likely still doesn't. This is the reason I have not been involved in Null (other than the occasional Agony fleet) for some time. Not that I don't want to, but because of the culture which still predominates there. I come here to relax from work, not be involved in another job (I'll drop all online gaming first, and re-focus my efforts back to FOSS projects - which, ironically, I had started thanks to SL). I love challenges, and PvP (to me) is not challenging as part of a cog in a group; Even PvE is not interesting or a challenge. Industry is a challenge to me, at any level or scale (because of its complexity and logistical scope), and has never lost my attention. Regarding different types of online game, its why I had so much hope for Myst Online / Uru. An MMO which focused purely on RPG elements, no combat at all, and story would be driven by interaction between the players and the Cyan-driven actors. Unfortunately it all broke down under some of the same infighting seen here; Possibly for the worse, because some (like myself) presented their RL selves to the community, and as I liked to say "when your only weapon is words..." sigh We lost a lot of good people that way - some dropped from the Internet entirely. Also, for 'ultimate metagame' Travian still wins. Moreso that they went P2W (the Gold system). I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player. Just more subtle.
Xenuria Center Haus Apocalypse Now. 523	Posted - 2012.06.07 17:02:00 - [57] - Quote Bernie Nator wrote: I hear Elder Scrolls Online is coming out at some point. Still not internet spaceships though... Bethesda really **** the bed with that. It looks terrible and is going to crash and burn, costing them loads of cash that they could/should have used to re-make morrowind. The Future of GoonSwarm
Cadhla Ovsanna Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities 0	Posted - 2012.06.11 06:27:00 - [58] - Quote <----- plays tanks :)
Sarulin Farii University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.06.12 01:17:00 - [59] - Quote I don't play other MMO's anymore, ive tried swtor/tera etc thro others. Only word i can think of is "Meh". I play dota2 (for the variation). Il prob be trying out planetside 2 aswell, just because of playing the first one..
Ivy Romanova All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts 28	Posted - 2012.06.12 13:38:00 - [60] - Quote Cadhla Ovsanna wrote: <----- plays tanks :) snooki?

Sidus Isaacs Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2012.06.12 18:02:00 - [61] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: Summer the season of brilliant new titles and gaming innovations If I were the person I was half a year ago , I would sell my car to get to E3 to have my taste of the future But now .... I'm not sure if its just me , or are other video games getting increasingly dull after I've started playing EVE Online Max Payne ? meh , seen it , done that Ghost Recon? nothing new... Bioshock Infinite? what? other video game titles just doesn't excite me anymore , compared with EVE online , they are just...... lack luster and repeatitive , the instant gratification just doesn't give me an adrenaline rush anymore whats the value of accomplishment when you didn't even have to work for it?? I LOVE EVE !!! its perhaps one of the BEST games I've EVER played its like French gourmet , but sometimes , you'll just ,miss the old old burger ,sadly , you can't enough put it in your mouth without pulling faces now , I don't know if thats a good thing or not , but I'm just putting it out there , wondering if anyone feels the same way as I do. Actually, there are good new games out there, just not made by any big publisher with a large marketing department. The real trick is to stay away from any established series, since they only give you the same **** all over. Try something new.


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