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rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:26:00 - [1] apparently one of the state ravens that was orginally stolen by SFS from molle here was then auctioned off to f900. for 183 billion SFS then gave the state issue raven to f900 with the promise of the payment, for whatever stupid reason probably based on the fact that f900 runs a 3rd party service based on trust f900 then restole the raven and returned it to molle here is this the end of f900s 3rd party service? or was it the right thing to do? discuss Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:27:00 - [2] how was it stolen in the first place? Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEP09
Intense Thinker Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:43:00 - [3] Originally by: Nova Fox how was it stolen in the first place? Molle left it parked on the street in South Central LA with the keys in it And did you know that this is in fact Surfin's Plunderbunny's forum alt? It's official!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:32:00 - [4] Hmm. F90O really did that? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:38:00 - [5] Originally by: rubico1337 apparently one of the state ravens that was orginally stolen by SFS from molle here was then auctioned off to f900. for 183 billion SFS then gave the state issue raven to f900 with the promise of the payment, for whatever stupid reason probably based on the fact that f900 runs a 3rd party service based on trust f900 then restole the raven and returned it to molle here is this the end of f900s 3rd party service? or was it the right thing to do? discuss WTF? Are these idiots above using contracts? ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:40:00 - [6] Total Loss Of Credentials. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: rubico1337 apparently one of the state ravens that was orginally stolen by SFS from molle here was then auctioned off to f900. for 183 billion SFS then gave the state issue raven to f900 with the promise of the payment, for whatever stupid reason probably based on the fact that f900 runs a 3rd party service based on trust f900 then restole the raven and returned it to molle here is this the end of f900s 3rd party service? or was it the right thing to do? discuss WTF? Are these idiots above using contracts? I'd wager a guess that F90 was to move it from its current location to its requested location for both parties. Since there's a pretty high chance that it would be a royal *** for the buyer move to a "Safe" location. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by:** CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: rubico1337 apparently one of the state ravens that was orginally stolen by SFS from molle here was then auctioned off to f900. for 183 billion SFS then gave the state issue raven to f900 with the promise of the payment, for whatever stupid reason probably based on the fact that f900 runs a 3rd party service based on trust f900 then restole the raven and returned it to molle here is this the end of f900s 3rd party service? or was it the right thing to do? discuss WTF? Are these idiots above using contracts? I'd wager a guess that F90 was to move it from its current location to its requested location for both parties. Since there's a pretty high chance that it would be a royal ***** for the buyer move to a "Safe" location. Even then, it would be easier to have some anonymous courier pilot move it. You could hide it by assigning a contract to your alt, then have your alt assign that contract to the public to move the crate. When a contract crate is re-contracted, you cant open the crate. That is, you can but all you will see is another crate which CANT be opened. All could have been done quietly. Man what dummies. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Fad3dlight	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Zeba Total Loss Of Credentials. qft
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:06:00 - [10] I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. If this was a normal trade I would agree but he runs a business built on being a neutral party. He is no longer neutral anymore. Simple as that. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. He is indeed a fine and upstanding person for doing this, but he stopped being a trusted neutral party and I would never trust him with anything after this.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. He is indeed a fine and upstanding person for doing this, but he stopped being a trusted neutral party and I would never trust him with anything after this. That's pretty much it really Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Lorieen AQ Militis Seprentia	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:47:00 - [14] I'm confused why a 3rd party would be needed for a ship that can dock up anyway... titan or mothership maybe but what is wrong with a contract. Done right those won't give away your goods without payment. I think its the sellers prob for being stupid... you sell whatever and its the buyers problem to get it from wherever its at. Even if a rare ship like that was in Jovian space I'm still sure someone would have bought it and figured out later how to get it out. I think trusting a 3rd party is not a smart idea and if I had no choice but to use a 3rd party it would only be Chribba.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:49:00 - [15] I suspect it's about the buyer not wanting the seller to know where it was after purchase... otherwise wouldn't have been surprised to have SFS camp outside the station in his Tribal Tempest until the State Raven undocked for a 200b isk duel Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.07 08:52:00 - [16] Edited by: Marko Riva on 07/09/2009 08:56:19 Originally by: Lorieen I'm confused why a 3rd party would be needed for a ship that can dock up anyway... titan or mothership maybe but what is wrong with a contract. Done right those won't give away your goods without payment. I think its the sellers prob for being stupid... you sell whatever and its the buyers problem to get it from wherever its at. Even if a rare ship like that was in Jovian space I'm still sure someone would have bought it and figured out later how to get it out. I think trusting a 3rd party is not a smart idea and if I had no choice but to use a 3rd party it would only be Chribba. Very much, there was no need to use a 3rd party in the first place for a ship like that. On that 3rd party; everyone has his price, even chribba, but with F90OEX... I'm going to assume that he's an alt and spy of the people that ship will be handed to. Afterall, being a 3rd party is a great way to spy on other people figuring out who buys titans and moms etc. With the upcoming changes to titans, and them becoming more common anyway, the usefulness of Titan info isn't that important anymore, might as well throw away the position/income/intel and grab the ship your friends/mains lost. If all of a sudden the ship ends up in GHSC hands it would make a lot of sense.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. He has lost all crebability, if he can make one exception, then he can make more. Simple as that. As for why he stole it and gave it away one can only wonder. I for one would ahve kept it, and PVPd in it :D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Nekmet Awai	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:08:00 - [18] he did the right thing :)
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:11:00 - [19] It only brings him character. i would have done the same. tbh. I hate thieves.. www.garia.net
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Garia666 It only brings him character. i would have done the same. tbh. I hate thieves.. But doing that makes you a thief yourself. Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:35:00 - [21] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Garia666 It only brings him character. i would have done the same. tbh. I hate thieves.. But doing that makes you a thief yourself. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. Ultimately this. While what he did might have been the "Just" thing to do, it wasn't the "right" thing to do. Idiot should have kept the raven Ah well. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Aem Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:46:00 - [22] Still at F9's side, would still trust him :)
gfldex	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Blane Xero Hmm. F90O really did that? It's all cloaks and daggers. :)
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:16:00 - [24] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 10:17:38 In my opinion giving stolen goods to the original owner is not stealing, because, tbh, the thief was never a legal owner of the stuff, the stuff cant be "stolen" from him therefore. The *ag was just too stupid to make it public and then give it away to someone.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 10:17:29 Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 10:17:11 In my opinion giving stolen goods to the original owner is not stealing, because, tbh, the thief was never a legal owner of the stuff, the stuff cant be "stolen" from him therefore. The ag was just too stupid to make it public and then give it away to someone. The problem is, Being Neutral means ignoring past discretions and being equal to both sides of the transaction. While he did not steal the isk from the intended future owner of the Raven, he did not remain neutral to SFS, and thus, has forfeited any future in the Neutrality business. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by:* CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:23:00 - [26] As long as the buyer was not harmed in this deal in any way, I think it's great to hear that f900 returned stolen contraband to its rightful owner. I'd definately trust f900 now, a businessman with ethics is a rare sight in the world of EVE. ---
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:25:00 - [27] Possession is 10/10ths of the law in eve, regardless of how SFS came about having it, it was his, Molle had no furhter claim on it. SFS then used a 3rd party service to transfer it to another pilot, and that 3rd party service stole the State Raven. Regardless of his morals, principles or any other guff, this 3rd party broke the rules. KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:29:00 - [28] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 10:29:16 well he may have lost his neutrality for a some degree, now its up to the customers whether to trust or not, for me he did the right thing because I hate thiefes as scammers and I think the major part of the eve playerbase thinks the same way (i hope so).
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As long as the buyer was not harmed in this deal in any way, I think it's great to hear that f900 returned stolen contraband to its rightful owner. I'd definately trust f900 now, a businessman with ethics is a rare sight in the world of EVE. Me too. There are no law who in EVE states that a 3rd party MUST be neutral when using him as a trade, but being neutral is an attractive feature if you want to want the required trust of the other parties in the deal. Though, there are other ways of earning trust of potential clients and what F90O did here is certainly a good way of earning mine. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
MarketAlt 134534	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:51:00 - [30] Could somone confirm if the Raven was this one auctioned here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1163744? If it was, why are some people talking about F9 doing something bad as a third party? He was the customer and therefore there was no third party?

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