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rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:26:00 - [1] apparently one of the state ravens that was orginally stolen by SFS from molle here was then auctioned off to f900. for 183 billion SFS then gave the state issue raven to f900 with the promise of the payment, for whatever stupid reason probably based on the fact that f900 runs a 3rd party service based on trust f900 then restole the raven and returned it to molle here is this the end of f900s 3rd party service? or was it the right thing to do? discuss Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:27:00 - [2] how was it stolen in the first place? Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEP09
Intense Thinker Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:43:00 - [3] Originally by: Nova Fox how was it stolen in the first place? Molle left it parked on the street in South Central LA with the keys in it And did you know that this is in fact Surfin's Plunderbunny's forum alt? It's official!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:32:00 - [4] Hmm. F90O really did that? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:38:00 - [5] Originally by: rubico1337 apparently one of the state ravens that was orginally stolen by SFS from molle here was then auctioned off to f900. for 183 billion SFS then gave the state issue raven to f900 with the promise of the payment, for whatever stupid reason probably based on the fact that f900 runs a 3rd party service based on trust f900 then restole the raven and returned it to molle here is this the end of f900s 3rd party service? or was it the right thing to do? discuss WTF? Are these idiots above using contracts? ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:40:00 - [6] Total Loss Of Credentials. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: rubico1337 apparently one of the state ravens that was orginally stolen by SFS from molle here was then auctioned off to f900. for 183 billion SFS then gave the state issue raven to f900 with the promise of the payment, for whatever stupid reason probably based on the fact that f900 runs a 3rd party service based on trust f900 then restole the raven and returned it to molle here is this the end of f900s 3rd party service? or was it the right thing to do? discuss WTF? Are these idiots above using contracts? I'd wager a guess that F90 was to move it from its current location to its requested location for both parties. Since there's a pretty high chance that it would be a royal *** for the buyer move to a "Safe" location. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by:** CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.07 06:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Originally by: rubico1337 apparently one of the state ravens that was orginally stolen by SFS from molle here was then auctioned off to f900. for 183 billion SFS then gave the state issue raven to f900 with the promise of the payment, for whatever stupid reason probably based on the fact that f900 runs a 3rd party service based on trust f900 then restole the raven and returned it to molle here is this the end of f900s 3rd party service? or was it the right thing to do? discuss WTF? Are these idiots above using contracts? I'd wager a guess that F90 was to move it from its current location to its requested location for both parties. Since there's a pretty high chance that it would be a royal ***** for the buyer move to a "Safe" location. Even then, it would be easier to have some anonymous courier pilot move it. You could hide it by assigning a contract to your alt, then have your alt assign that contract to the public to move the crate. When a contract crate is re-contracted, you cant open the crate. That is, you can but all you will see is another crate which CANT be opened. All could have been done quietly. Man what dummies. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Fad3dlight	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Zeba Total Loss Of Credentials. qft
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:06:00 - [10] I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. If this was a normal trade I would agree but he runs a business built on being a neutral party. He is no longer neutral anymore. Simple as that. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. He is indeed a fine and upstanding person for doing this, but he stopped being a trusted neutral party and I would never trust him with anything after this.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. He is indeed a fine and upstanding person for doing this, but he stopped being a trusted neutral party and I would never trust him with anything after this. That's pretty much it really Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Lorieen AQ Militis Seprentia	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:47:00 - [14] I'm confused why a 3rd party would be needed for a ship that can dock up anyway... titan or mothership maybe but what is wrong with a contract. Done right those won't give away your goods without payment. I think its the sellers prob for being stupid... you sell whatever and its the buyers problem to get it from wherever its at. Even if a rare ship like that was in Jovian space I'm still sure someone would have bought it and figured out later how to get it out. I think trusting a 3rd party is not a smart idea and if I had no choice but to use a 3rd party it would only be Chribba.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.09.07 07:49:00 - [15] I suspect it's about the buyer not wanting the seller to know where it was after purchase... otherwise wouldn't have been surprised to have SFS camp outside the station in his Tribal Tempest until the State Raven undocked for a 200b isk duel Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.07 08:52:00 - [16] Edited by: Marko Riva on 07/09/2009 08:56:19 Originally by: Lorieen I'm confused why a 3rd party would be needed for a ship that can dock up anyway... titan or mothership maybe but what is wrong with a contract. Done right those won't give away your goods without payment. I think its the sellers prob for being stupid... you sell whatever and its the buyers problem to get it from wherever its at. Even if a rare ship like that was in Jovian space I'm still sure someone would have bought it and figured out later how to get it out. I think trusting a 3rd party is not a smart idea and if I had no choice but to use a 3rd party it would only be Chribba. Very much, there was no need to use a 3rd party in the first place for a ship like that. On that 3rd party; everyone has his price, even chribba, but with F90OEX... I'm going to assume that he's an alt and spy of the people that ship will be handed to. Afterall, being a 3rd party is a great way to spy on other people figuring out who buys titans and moms etc. With the upcoming changes to titans, and them becoming more common anyway, the usefulness of Titan info isn't that important anymore, might as well throw away the position/income/intel and grab the ship your friends/mains lost. If all of a sudden the ship ends up in GHSC hands it would make a lot of sense.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I stand by F90O on this one. This type of action is one of a very limited number of means by which the community can punish thieves & scammers. He has lost all crebability, if he can make one exception, then he can make more. Simple as that. As for why he stole it and gave it away one can only wonder. I for one would ahve kept it, and PVPd in it :D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Nekmet Awai	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:08:00 - [18] he did the right thing :)
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:11:00 - [19] It only brings him character. i would have done the same. tbh. I hate thieves.. www.garia.net
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Garia666 It only brings him character. i would have done the same. tbh. I hate thieves.. But doing that makes you a thief yourself. Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:35:00 - [21] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Garia666 It only brings him character. i would have done the same. tbh. I hate thieves.. But doing that makes you a thief yourself. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. Ultimately this. While what he did might have been the "Just" thing to do, it wasn't the "right" thing to do. Idiot should have kept the raven Ah well. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Aem Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:46:00 - [22] Still at F9's side, would still trust him :)
gfldex	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Blane Xero Hmm. F90O really did that? It's all cloaks and daggers. :)
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:16:00 - [24] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 10:17:38 In my opinion giving stolen goods to the original owner is not stealing, because, tbh, the thief was never a legal owner of the stuff, the stuff cant be "stolen" from him therefore. The *ag was just too stupid to make it public and then give it away to someone.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 10:17:29 Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 10:17:11 In my opinion giving stolen goods to the original owner is not stealing, because, tbh, the thief was never a legal owner of the stuff, the stuff cant be "stolen" from him therefore. The ag was just too stupid to make it public and then give it away to someone. The problem is, Being Neutral means ignoring past discretions and being equal to both sides of the transaction. While he did not steal the isk from the intended future owner of the Raven, he did not remain neutral to SFS, and thus, has forfeited any future in the Neutrality business. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by:* CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:23:00 - [26] As long as the buyer was not harmed in this deal in any way, I think it's great to hear that f900 returned stolen contraband to its rightful owner. I'd definately trust f900 now, a businessman with ethics is a rare sight in the world of EVE. ---
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:25:00 - [27] Possession is 10/10ths of the law in eve, regardless of how SFS came about having it, it was his, Molle had no furhter claim on it. SFS then used a 3rd party service to transfer it to another pilot, and that 3rd party service stole the State Raven. Regardless of his morals, principles or any other guff, this 3rd party broke the rules. KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:29:00 - [28] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 10:29:16 well he may have lost his neutrality for a some degree, now its up to the customers whether to trust or not, for me he did the right thing because I hate thiefes as scammers and I think the major part of the eve playerbase thinks the same way (i hope so).
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As long as the buyer was not harmed in this deal in any way, I think it's great to hear that f900 returned stolen contraband to its rightful owner. I'd definately trust f900 now, a businessman with ethics is a rare sight in the world of EVE. Me too. There are no law who in EVE states that a 3rd party MUST be neutral when using him as a trade, but being neutral is an attractive feature if you want to want the required trust of the other parties in the deal. Though, there are other ways of earning trust of potential clients and what F90O did here is certainly a good way of earning mine. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
MarketAlt 134534	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:51:00 - [30] Could somone confirm if the Raven was this one auctioned here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1163744? If it was, why are some people talking about F9 doing something bad as a third party? He was the customer and therefore there was no third party?
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:52:00 - [31] What's the point of using a middle man to factor out trust and scamming issues, if that middle man can't be trusted?
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.09.07 10:56:00 - [32] Edited by: rubico1337 on 07/09/2009 10:56:11 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As long as the buyer was not harmed in this deal in any way, I think it's great to hear that f900 returned stolen contraband to its rightful owner. I'd definately trust f900 now, a businessman with ethics is a rare sight in the world of EVE. thats all good and well if say... f900 PAID for it then gave it back. but he took it and refused payment and violated trust. theres no love for sfs here either. he was a complete dumbass for giving it without reciveing payment at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite here. f900's entire service is based off of trust and impariality. once you start taking sides and betraying that trust people start gong elsewhere for fear of it happening to them Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Marko Riva What's the point of using a middle man to factor out trust and scamming issues, if that middle man can't be trusted? It seems like the kind of people who take up serious 3rd party businesses in EVE are people with a minimal level of moral and righteousness. Not possessing these would make your middle man run off with the money as soon as there were a couple of billions involved. Maybe it just isn't a good idea to sell ill-gotten gains through middle men? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:09:00 - [34] Originally by: rubico1337 at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite here. f900's entire service is based off of trust and impariality. once you start taking sides and betraying that trust people start gong elsewhere for fear of it happening to them You are completely right that I would not want to try to sell stolen goods using f900. On the other hand, I do not plan to steal goods in the first place. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:13:00 - [35] Originally by: MarketAlt 134534 Could somone confirm if the Raven was this one auctioned here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1163744? If it was, why are some people talking about F9 doing something bad as a third party? He was the customer and therefore there was no third party? If this is the case then F9's neutrality remains. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.07 11:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: MarketAlt 134534 Could somone confirm if the Raven was this one auctioned here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1163744? If it was, why are some people talking about F9 doing something bad as a third party? He was the customer and therefore there was no third party? If this is the case then F9's neutrality remains. That trust is based on the fact he honors all contracts he makes. That evaluation is based on all the deals he makes. When he starts creating excuses and reasons why he can break some deals he makes, he stops being trustworthy or neutral. I'm sure he will continue being used as a trusted third party by some, but to me he is just a scammer with principles.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.07 12:04:00 - [37] a middle man is brought in to oversee a deal to ensure that both parties are not screwed over, not to be the one doing the screwing, f9 has blighted his own reputation. Which is a shame on him, because he was just getting the big deals, and has proven he can't be trusted with them. A third party is there to do a job, not judge.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.09.07 13:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Xtreem a middle man is brought in to oversee a deal to ensure that both parties are not screwed over, not to be the one doing the screwing, f9 has blighted his own reputation. Which is a shame on him, because he was just getting the big deals, and has proven he can't be trusted with them. A third party is there to do a job, not judge. Right on. If the story is true, f9 broke the agreement he made. Not to judge and take actions explicitly specified
Saurish	Posted - 2009.09.07 13:31:00 - [39] f900 done it in correct way. I dont see any problem.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.07 13:54:00 - [40] If however, this F900 intefered with a contract between 2 parties (being buyer and seller) after agreeing to be a trusted 3rd party, then he is as ppl say a glorified scammer, maybe he scammed a thief, but he still scammed. As I said before theft is a legitimate thing in this game, being a 3rd party provider in the pocket of Sir Molle is no more credible as beign a merc in the pocket of Sir Molle. Where do you draw the line...if this 3rd party was haunted by his morals and principles, he should have refused to handle the transaction. Dont care how many Molle fanbois give this guy big ups for his actions, he is a scammer. KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.07 14:04:00 - [41] Would still trust him. He did the right thing.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.09.07 14:05:00 - [42] Heh, stolen and re-stolen. That's pretty cool.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.09.07 14:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Necronomicon Possession is [...] the law in eve Originally by: Necronomicon Regardless of his morals, principles or any other guff, this 3rd party broke the rules. Not easy to completely contradict yourself within two sentences. Grats to F90 for this absolutely amazing stunt, it will be long remembered.
VonKaplanek III Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.09.07 14:20:00 - [44] What does this have to do with his third party service. He was the buyer and the scammer. He has not proven himself untrustworthy when it comes to anyone elses stuff.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 14:35:00 - [45] Originally by: VonKaplanek III He was the buyer and the scammer. He has not proven himself untrustworthy when it comes to anyone elses stuff. Uhh... Thats quite the contradiction you have there. Wow that hurt my head. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
VonKaplanek III Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.09.07 14:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: VonKaplanek III He was the buyer and the scammer. He has not proven himself untrustworthy when it comes to anyone elses stuff. Uhh... Thats quite the contradiction you have there. Wow that hurt my head. I am betting that you have many simple cancepts hurting your head.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.07 14:55:00 - [47] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: VonKaplanek III He was the buyer and the scammer. He has not proven himself untrustworthy when it comes to anyone elses stuff. Uhh... Thats quite the contradiction you have there. Wow that hurt my head. I am betting that you have many simple cancepts hurting your head. The raven was previously not his Stuff, yet he stole it. That, by definition, is "Someone elses stuff". it wasnt going to be his till the money crossed hands, instead he didn't pay (From what i gather from the threads) because SFS handed it over directly. This by definition reduces his trustworthyness when handling stuff not of his own. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.09.07 15:05:00 - [48] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: VonKaplanek III He was the buyer and the scammer. He has not proven himself untrustworthy when it comes to anyone elses stuff. Uhh... Thats quite the contradiction you have there. Wow that hurt my head. I am betting that you have many simple cancepts hurting your head. I'd imagine cancepts would hurt the head. Atleast if a cancept is anything like a rock flying through the air at a good rate of speed. But anyways, your statement was quite rediculous. Trust is trust. Whether it is someone else's deal or their own. The whole point of trust in a third-party is that the person isn't going to screw you over when his interests serve it. It doesn't really make a difference if he did it as a third-party or as himself. Afterall, the only difference between stealing when he is personally part of the deal or as a third-party is that one less person is involved. What is to stop him from stealing in a third-party deal and simply claim the items were already stolen?
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.09.07 15:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Heh, stolen and re-stolen. That's pretty cool. Honestly, when I saw you bidding, I was holding out for something along those lines, bit disappointed you couldn't handle your vodka to see it through.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.09.07 15:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Heh, stolen and re-stolen. That's pretty cool. More like handed over (by Molle), then handed over again (by sfs) There is no morale, integrity or e-honour in this story, only stupidity (or some hidden cloak and dagger stuff, cause seriously; how is it possible to be this stupid?) And the only 3rd party I would ever trust fully is Chribba.
Taedrin Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass	Posted - 2009.09.07 15:47:00 - [51] And apparently he's selling another one, here. Just how many of these things does he have?
Jamyl TashMurkon Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.07 16:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Taedrin And apparently he's selling another one, here. Just how many of these things does he have? 2 state ravens, 1 tribal pest. also lolkia is lol also F90 just did what had to be done.
VonKaplanek III Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.09.07 16:07:00 - [53] Edited by: VonKaplanek III on 07/09/2009 16:15:47 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: VonKaplanek III He was the buyer and the scammer. He has not proven himself untrustworthy when it comes to anyone elses stuff. Uhh... Thats quite the contradiction you have there. Wow that hurt my head. I am betting that you have many simple cancepts hurting your head. I'd imagine cancepts would hurt the head. Atleast if a cancept is anything like a rock flying through the air at a good rate of speed. But anyways, your statement was quite rediculous. Trust is trust. Whether it is someone else's deal or their own. The whole point of trust in a third-party is that the person isn't going to screw you over when his interests serve it. It doesn't really make a difference if he did it as a third-party or as himself. Afterall, the only difference between stealing when he is personally part of the deal or as a third-party is that one less person is involved. What is to stop him from stealing in a third-party deal and simply claim the items were already stolen?[/quote You think a cancept is rediculous, Would you then agree that a concept is ridiculous? Sucks when your as retarted as you think the person is that your making fun of. Silly Goon.
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2009.09.07 16:13:00 - [54] Originally by: LaVista Vista Two wrongs doesn't make a right. No they don't, but taking something from a thief and returning that property to the rightful owner is not wrong.
Grath Telkin Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.07 16:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Mire Stoude Originally by: LaVista Vista Two wrongs doesn't make a right. No they don't, but taking something from a thief and returning that property to the rightful owner is not wrong. Still makes him a liar and a thief. What happens when YOUR deal he's handling doesn't "Feel" right to him. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Shaemell Buttleson Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.09.07 16:53:00 - [56] Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 07/09/2009 16:53:42 f900's service is now flawed. When you offer a 3rd party service you are not there to make judgment calls and should remain unbiased! That's the crux of the matter.
Apoctasy The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.09.07 16:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Necronomicon Possession is 10/10ths of the law in eve, regardless of how SFS came about having it, it was his, Molle had no furhter claim on it. SFS then used a 3rd party service to transfer it to another pilot, and that 3rd party service stole the State Raven. Regardless of his morals, principles or any other guff, this 3rd party broke the rules. Hence why his reputation is now ruined.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.09.07 16:58:00 - [58] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 07/09/2009 16:58:16 "thievery" requires the stuff belonging to the victim, thats not the case, the stuff was stolen. So anything ok there...
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:01:00 - [59] Originally by: Apoctasy Originally by: Necronomicon Possession is 10/10ths of the law in eve, regardless of how SFS came about having it, it was his, Molle had no furhter claim on it. SFS then used a 3rd party service to transfer it to another pilot, and that 3rd party service stole the State Raven. Regardless of his morals, principles or any other guff, this 3rd party broke the rules. Hence why his reputation is now ruined. I saw some lottery that said secured by F900EX but would never have played it because I had never heard of him before that. So what's the story here? How did he ever become trustworthy before all of this?
Lord Windu Amarr Twilight Federation	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:29:00 - [60] Main issue is the fact he has proven he is not neutral, so there is no neutral third party service from him. Also people saying that he did the right thing doing what he did cos thieves are bad blah blah, fine but what about if you are using his service and he disagrees with the fact you are a pirate, scammer, smack-talker, red to his alliance or his friends alliance or if he just dislikes you because you are Minmatar and he has just taken up role-playing? He has done it once and no doubt he will do it again, thus Chribba is the only person I would do business with and even then I don't completely trust him but I trust him a lot more than any other 3rd party service provider.
JACKIE M00N	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:34:00 - [61] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Apoctasy Originally by: Necronomicon Possession is 10/10ths of the law in eve, regardless of how SFS came about having it, it was his, Molle had no furhter claim on it. SFS then used a 3rd party service to transfer it to another pilot, and that 3rd party service stole the State Raven. Regardless of his morals, principles or any other guff, this 3rd party broke the rules. Hence why his reputation is now ruined. I saw some lottery that said secured by F900EX but would never have played it because I had never heard of him before that. So what's the story here? How did he ever become trustworthy before all of this? He was and still is the largest Raven navy issue seller in eve, own's lots of T2 BPOs, helps people out but what stands out the most is how much Isk he has got, it's probably a few trillion liquid Isk.
nina tosspig	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:49:00 - [62] Welcome to Eve
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:53:00 - [63] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 07/09/2009 17:53:56 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Sucks when your as retarted as you think the person is that your making fun of. Silly Goon. Seriously. You need to stop posting. Now are you going to actually try to argue a point or just continue to troll?
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2009.09.07 17:59:00 - [64] Edited by: Soulita on 07/09/2009 18:00:29 Originally by: JACKIE M00N Originally by: Soulita I saw some lottery that said secured by F900EX but would never have played it because I had never heard of him before that. So what's the story here? How did he ever become trustworthy before all of this? He was and still is the largest Raven navy issue seller in eve, own's lots of T2 BPOs, helps people out but what stands out the most is how much Isk he has got, it's probably a few trillion liquid Isk. So he is supposed to be trustworthy because he has lots of iskies? Istvaan has loads of iskies as well, still he may not be a prime choice for a third party trust based service - Though I am sure Istvaan would love to run such a service
W3370Pi4	Posted - 2009.09.07 18:02:00 - [65] [ 2009.09.07 17:48:49 ] F90OEX > guys .. listen I was never netural, I pvp with this char, been in NC does not make me netural to alot of people. [ 2009.09.07 17:50:41 ] F90OEX > nope, since other people who are red to me have used me. but the point been I have NEVER said or stated I was netural [ 2009.09.07 17:51:42 ] F90OEX > Does it affect my 3rd party service it might .... but POINT is and amber can tell u this, I hardly charged anything is was never able making isk from been 3rd party. [ 2009.09.07 17:51:49 ] F90OEX > I did it to help people ... .and nothing more [ 2009.09.07 17:52:22 ] F90OEX > And if it is .. so be it, but its not going to effect me in anyway shape or form [ 2009.09.07 17:52:55 ] F90OEX > My business is selling CNRs [ 2009.09.07 17:53:28 ] F90OEX > 3rd party service is to help people make some isk since chrriba cannot do it all .. [ 2009.09.07 17:54:13 ] F90OEX > I had 400bil + yesterday .. 183bil isk went back to the buyer + 40-50bil in loot [ 2009.09.07 17:54:33 ] F90OEX > State Raven will be sold and isk will be given to the ppl who won it ... [ 2009.09.07 17:55:24 ] F90OEX > I don't need isk nor do I need the ship......I have enough as it is think thats about it _______ Join the "Legit Trading"Channel Scam Free Trading Channel
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.09.07 18:47:00 - [66] I see the e-honor patrol is out to support f900 for doing the "right thing" and returning stolen goods. However, this pays no heed to how Molle got it in the first place. I seem to recall that Band of Brothers under his leadership did their best to collude with developers and have ISK, BPOs, and likely ships spawned for them. So who is more guilty? The agent of divine retribution who lifted one of the last tokens of Molle's ill-gotten position, or the crooked auctioneer who defaulted to his "good old boy" roots and returned it to his cheating accomplice? This is why neutrality is important, you can never know the whole story so you either can take an ignorant interventionist approach where you constantly go off half-****ed. Or you can take the neutral approach where you acknowledge that more factors are in play than you could likely discern and so it is best to simply live up to YOUR word and trust that in the end everyone will get their just desserts.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.09.07 19:36:00 - [67] Originally by: W3370Pi4 [ 2009.09.07 17:55:24 ] F90OEX > I don't need isk nor do I need the ship......I have enough as it is F90OEX is EVEs official looser.
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2009.09.08 00:15:00 - [68] Chribba 4 lyfe.
Craeder	Posted - 2009.09.08 01:03:00 - [69] This is EVE, where you can't trust anyone. Someone offers third party service, expect to be screwed over as a low possiblity. Even Chribba could one day turn to the dark side if he gets tired of offering his business with out reimbursemening back to customers. He could buy out Delve space, have the jump gates locked, and retire to mine asteroids like old geezers that like to fish.

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