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Kalli Brixzat
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:58:00 -
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Archdaimon wrote:I think it depends on where you live. A lot of wh alliances have the loki as their bread and butter.
Dunno if it works outside WH.
The Loki is an EXCELLENT fleet ship. Both PvP and high end PvE. The DPS lacks IMHO, but the ability to fit either a shield or armor tank is the kind of versatility that people love.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: The Loki's tackling ability makes it lethal. Dual or even triple-Web Loki's can quicksand 1 or more ships, making them easy pickings for your heavy hitters. |
Myrkala
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
8
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:03:00 -
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I remember a fleet where we had mostly armor Lokis with 720s and webs, and we pretty much wrecked a similar sized AB Tengu fleet.
"SHAC" Loki is also boss, though not as relevant anymore since we got Tier 3s with more range and dps, but lacking in everything else... |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:24:00 -
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Myrkala wrote:I remember a fleet where we had mostly armor Lokis with 720s and webs, and we pretty much wrecked a similar sized AB Tengu fleet.
"SHAC" Loki is also boss, though not as relevant anymore since we got Tier 3s with more range and dps, but lacking in everything else...
Double faction web armor Lokis <3 forever and so sexeh
brb |
kyrv
hirr
Against ALL Authorities
9
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Posted - 2012.06.07 08:41:00 -
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-The Major shortfall is the Augmented capacitor subsystem and immobility drivers need to add more CPU.. so that you fit larger weapons and at least have a GYRO or ballistic in the low and use armour Tank.
-The slot layout come to one fault being if you want to shield Tank & Immobility drivers, you have a very low shield HP buffer.
So Armour or Shield your Loki will not perform very well at all..
But I know as does a Tengu pilot that you do not have the special abilities on your T3 without some give however if you design a mid slot intensive damage setup it just looks plain ugly. |
Arnst Atram
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:19:00 -
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Rather than the Loki being unimpressive, the way i see it is the Loki is the one CCP got right. T3's were meant to be Generalists that weren't really the best at anything, the Loki is, generally speaking, just that. It's considered the most generalist of the T3's by most people.
On the other hand, the Legion is too weak, and the Tengu is just too good at some things. I can't speak for the Proteus, i've never flown one, but i hear good things.
In other words, the Loki is fine, the other T3's are the problem. |
Maeltstome
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:23:00 -
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Arnst Atram wrote:Rather than the Loki being unimpressive, the way i see it is the Loki is the one CCP got right. T3's were meant to be Generalists that weren't really the best at anything, the Loki is, generally speaking, just that. It's considered the most generalist of the T3's by most people.
On the other hand, the Legion is too weak, and the Tengu is just too good at some things. I can't speak for the Proteus, i've never flown one, but i hear good things.
In other words, the Loki is fine, the other T3's are the problem.
If thats the case then it's a mostly pointless ship class.
You can't hot-swap modules or subsystems, so basically once your out in the deep black, your out. I'd rather buy a specialised ship for much less.
The only thing the loki does *best* is maintain good EHP while fitting a full rack of 720's. But thats still only 320 dps :/ |
Arnst Atram
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:32:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:
If thats the case then it's a mostly pointless ship class.
You can't hot-swap modules or subsystems, so basically once your out in the deep black, your out. I'd rather buy a specialised ship for much less.
The only thing the loki does *best* is maintain good EHP while fitting a full rack of 720's. But thats still only 320 dps :/
The Tengu is far quicker to get into and fly effectively than a Raven, as it shares most of its fitting skills the Drake and the majority of the Skill requirements are Core fitting skills and such that should be trained anyway. I'm pretty sure CCP intended for T3's to fill the role of a waypoint for newer players as they move towards more specialized ships. Rather than introducing something better, and relegating older ships to the trash heap, something that people get before they can effectively use those older ships, which they transition too later. |
Hal Safon
Morior Invictus.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:37:00 -
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Loki is fine, most people just fail at fitting it.
Amazing instalocker, amazing t3 booster/scout, great heavy tackle.
In my opinion, for combat roles the ship lends itself better to armor tanking, taking full advantage of its small sig and opening up mid slots for it web bonus.
I have had good success with my 100mn armor fit as well. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
383
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:07:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote: random faff which is entirely based on zero experience
I think I should have realised you had no idea what you were talking about when I saw which corporation you were in, but you have now certainly exposed yourself for a troll.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Headerman1
The New Era
C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:36:00 -
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I think when it comes to the Loki, it's not about the DPS, and it's not about the tank. It's about everything else. |
David Clausewitz
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
21
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:53:00 -
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Be grateful that you're better off than the Legion at least... |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.06.10 00:18:00 -
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Confirming it's an amazing insta-locker, I just lost an Ishtar to a Loki, on coming out of a low-sec gate. My own stupid fault for getting complacent in EVE, but I was completely gobsmacked at how fast it locked, it must have been only just above a second or so after I came out of cloak. I was already webbed and being pounded into space-dust before I could even fumble to get my bloody drones out  |
Maeltstome
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.06.11 08:24:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Maeltstome wrote: random faff which is entirely based on zero experience I think I should have realised you had no idea what you were talking about when I saw which corporation you were in, but you have now certainly exposed yourself for a troll.
Corp history speaks volumes, eh? |
Nakkano
Internet Space Pimps
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:21:00 -
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What a lame ass thread
EFT metrics are not real pvp. pvp is all situational and pretty much everyone who has actually used the loki in fleets knows they are awesome, it's only fail eft trolls who want to compare numbers on paper and point out discrepencies.
webbing from 37.5K means the rest of the stats dont really matter when you have that range control superiority. the buffer is a non issue, still has plenty buffer to be repped by logi. use it for what it's designed for
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2012.06.11 11:35:00 -
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Headerman1 wrote:I think when it comes to the Loki, it's not about the DPS, and it's not about the tank. It's about everything else.
Edit: actually it does suck cause the PG and CPU are too small. For a very expensive ship that is suppose to do a lot, you'd expect it to have more PG and CPU
Even thou I think this ship is really awesome as it stands having some more cap/cpu wouldn't hurt or make it overpowered, but would slightly improve fittings, also a tiny little bit of dps wouldn't hurt 
brb |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
495
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:39:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Mfume Apocal wrote:
The play style the loki is aimed at is dead - Webs are trash and both Minnie recons have fallen over because of this.
Hi I'm a Huginn and I'm a staple of every major shield doctrine and in the top 20 ships on EVE Kill. Hi I'm a Rapier, I'm a staple of a lot of armour fleets including the famous Hellcat doctrine, I am also one of the most effective blops ships available. Hi I'm a bonused web Loki, since the proliferation of T3s I am a staple of AHAC and general armour fleets. Your post is bad (and wrong) and you should feel bad.
That's not my post. |
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