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Yaay Game-Over	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Yaay on 09/09/2009 06:05:53 I will not go into complete detail on the mechanic of this exploit, but after talking to several sources and testing, we have conclude yet another instance of POS Bowling exploiting. Similar to one that occurred about 6 months ago, after the ban hammer threat was tossed out, It is now time for CCP to take legit and harsh action against this. I want to be the first to say, I fully endorse meta gaming, and the actions that result from it. What I do not support is exploiting the game mechanics beyond fair rules. POS bowling is one of the lamest tactics ever invented, and sadly I have a history with the founders of it. Yet up until it was deemed bannable, I accepted it's use. What irks me greatly is that an outcry from a large portion of the game and a resulting stiff warning from the devs has not resulted in any real action since, even with multiple cases petitioned and confirmed. Under the most recent incident, It was used in a manner to prevent the pilot from having a chance to log off or recover from the action and warp or move to a safe spot in the shields in time. Had bowling not been used, I'd consider the kill fully legit. Screenshots, petitions, and convos have been recorded confirming the foul play which will be dealt with through proper resources, But action needs to be taken swiftly and harshly to make the statement to players that this will not be tolerated. Idle threats towards my past alliances should not be discriminated only against the BoB Ilk, it's time to call an exploit an exploit and not discriminate simply because we didn't like one alliance for doing it. DD changes Docking PVP games
Yaay Game-Over	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:08:00 - [2] supported DD changes Docking PVP games
mazzilliu	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:09:00 - [3] tell us something juicy like how to do it MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:09:00 - [4] Some of us are not so called self proclaimed egotistical experts on matters you outline. And until you get into details... don't expect any support. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Yaay Game-Over	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Drake Draconis Some of us are not so called self proclaimed egotistical experts on matters you outline. And until you get into details... don't expect any support. No POS pw change occurred. It involves direct warp into the tower and instant bounce out of the shields. Capital ships were used, but not required for the effect. Beyond that, to go into the exact POS exploit mechanic is I believe against EULA and to talk directly about a petition content is the same. I do not care about the loss of the ship, the guy who lost it had it coming. I only care about the exploit itself. DD changes Docking PVP games
itsan egro Goony Hand Social Club GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:20:00 - [6] My heart bleeds over this, really, it does.
karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:22:00 - [7] You've just discovered this now? This thread is bleeds of Irony.
Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:24:00 - [8] ummmm
Agmar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:47:00 - [9] Edited by: Agmar on 09/09/2009 06:48:04 Mazz isn't really a girl, and got on CSM for that reason only.... I'm petitioning that EDIT- GAME-OVER RESPECKT SUPPORTS _____________________ Threat Level Midnight
Ziro Game-Over	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Ziro on 09/09/2009 06:52:56 Ooo, my own assembly hall thread. Originally by: mazzilliu tell us something juicy like how to do it Pretty simple, Mazz. It's a far cry more simple than your exploiting of the training multiple chars several months ago while it existed. (PS - Tell us how you're not an ugly girl so I can link to contradictory proof)
Tiger's Spirit	Posted - 2009.09.09 07:30:00 - [11] Originally by: mazzilliu tell us something juicy like how to do it Be smart. Perhaps you need a button on POS, "anchoring my ship here" and that's make it immobile like the Dread in siege. Need anchoring IV and 1 minutes.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.09 08:23:00 - [12] There are a lot more than three ways to pos bowl illegally under current game mechanics, most if not all of them have been bugreported for over six months now.
Yaay Game-Over	Posted - 2009.09.09 08:33:00 - [13] What's most frustrating is that with petitions in, they get closed with the response that an investigation is underway. This should be a public knowledge issue. There is so much gray area in rules because GM's and Devs do not open up the issues to the public. With a close petition, how can I keep an open flow of information to see if action was taken, or if the incident was passed on. How do I get the option of escalating what I think is a perma bannable offense if a regular GM does not handle the issue adequately. The reason Threadnaughts happen is because the GM policies are total garbage for things like this. I can assure you if this is not handled properly, I will take every opportunity to repeat the incident until we have another goonesq response to the outrageousness of this bull****. At the very least, information on par with the POS indy exploit needs to be handed out. Types and numbers of bans need to be listed for exactly what the offense was on issues such as this so that players can reference them in the future, and a database needs to be compiled on previous history of bans for said actions. DD changes Docking PVP games
Sacul tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.09.09 10:23:00 - [14] Irony overload! This incident wasnt bowling and the Nyx owner died of his own mistakes. That being said CCP did not fix the bowling concept i agree and it should be looked into. You should probably have posted this with a alt as people will accuse you of hypocrisy and just because of that many will not suport this idea.
Super Twinkey69 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.09.09 10:45:00 - [15] Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 09/09/2009 10:47:15 i support this,pos bowling is pr0 g*y-good thing we didnt do that
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.09.09 10:54:00 - [16] So... what your saying is we killed your Nyx alt? POS Bowling... suuuuuuuuure. Please take those tears to Jita 4-4, Snot Shot needs more water to wash windows.
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.09.09 13:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Sacul Irony overload! This incident wasnt bowling and the Nyx owner died of his own mistakes. That being said CCP did not fix the bowling concept i agree and it should be looked into. You should probably have posted this with a alt as people will accuse you of hypocrisy and just because of that many will not suport this idea. Yaay? A hypocrite? Say it isn't so! POS bowling should be fixed though, but as far as I can tell the MS kill in question was nothing of the sort. _________________________ HELLO! I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
Phreeze Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.09 13:31:00 - [18] Not supported because Yaay dying is hilarious.
Bumkin Game-Over	Posted - 2009.09.09 13:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Phreeze Not supported because Yaay dying is hilarious. since yaay is not the pilot of the nyx that died. that whole comment kinda makes you look a little stupid. But again i dont know the story of how he died, the way he flew it was bound to happen eventually. But i am supporting it as the issue at hand does need to be looked into
Agmar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.09 13:49:00 - [20] Phreeze, I love a good Yaay loss as much as the next, so much so that I think we need to post our favorite Yaay losses. However, this wasn't Yaay. Yaay can't afford motherships. _____________________ Threat Level Midnight
Bumkin Game-Over	Posted - 2009.09.09 13:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Agmar Phreeze, I love a good Yaay loss as much as the next, so much so that I think we need to post our favorite Yaay losses. However, this wasn't Yaay. Yaay can't afford motherships. i personally love that one where yaay is in the covops...
SlaveTransport Kiriin	Posted - 2009.09.09 13:58:00 - [22] I have fraps of ze mothership kill in question, you can have it for 20 biLlionZ isk!
Earrl Grey	Posted - 2009.09.09 14:11:00 - [23] Originally by: SlaveTransport Kiriin I have fraps of ze mothership kill in question, you can have it for 20 biLlionZ isk! I am interested in seeing this for posterity, and posterity alone; therefore all I can offer is this smiley face and knowledge to help better inform the public and the CSM
arbiter reformed Minmatar Annihilate. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.09.09 14:32:00 - [24] i vote to reinstate it as a proper mechanic, i mean its good sport Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.09 14:47:00 - [25] No. And FYI those speeds ARE still attainable in game through conventional means. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Yaay Game-Over	Posted - 2009.09.09 16:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Super Twinkey69 Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 09/09/2009 10:47:15 i support this,pos bowling is pr0 g*y-good thing we didnt do that I hear the recording of you emo raging that you missed the kill is almost as funny as the build-up to what happen next. If you listen closely, you can almost hear the pitter patter of your mom's steps coming down to the basement to assist you in a southparkesq manner. I'll leave it to the GM's to decide that isolated matter, but for the game mechanic as a whole, I'd like for clarity and consistency of rule. DD changes Docking PVP games
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.09 18:34:00 - [27] We have a screenie of the GM telling a POSbowl exploiting Tri Nyx pilot to quit it and leave system a couple of months ago. KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
davefromdevelopment Origin.	Posted - 2009.09.09 18:59:00 - [28] Edited by: davefromdevelopment on 09/09/2009 18:58:59 You mean when you engage warp to tower with correct pos pw in then change while in warp ?
Sacul tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.09.09 20:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Necronomicon We have a screenie of the GM telling a POSbowl exploiting Tri Nyx pilot to quit it and leave system a couple of months ago. So? Do you mean to suggest that that means this was a bowl incident aswell? If one person did it then the whole alliance must do it? By that logic all of Kia are made up of scammers since Eddz scammed evebank.
PrimaryIsYou BACKUPLEGION	Posted - 2009.09.09 23:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Yaay southparkesq It's -esque, you twit.

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