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Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.10.20 18:51:00 - [31] Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 20/10/2004 18:55:43 You could do instancing. They can make a button that says "make dungeon" and then you can pharm isk until your cat's litter box smells up the whole house. By then you will be able to get access to the "win teh gaem" button. Which leads to respect in real life. --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.10.20 18:51:00 - [32] Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 20/10/2004 18:55:43 You could do instancing. They can make a button that says "make dungeon" and then you can pharm isk until your cat's litter box smells up the whole house. By then you will be able to get access to the "win teh gaem" button. Which leads to respect in real life. --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.10.20 18:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Well, instanced complexes would remove the risk of camping yes. CCP just does not want to remove this threat. NPC spawns are a resouce to be competed for just like all other resources in Eve. However, I wouldn't think you need fear continued camping of complexes. Firstly, there should be very many, secondly they feature a no-warp area. Places someone cant run from are generally not oftenly camped since the camp would turn into a trap once a bgger force moves in. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- My guess is the REALLY good complexes will be distributed the same way as the REALLY good spawns - the lower the security rating, the better/more formidable the spawns. 0.0 complexes are likely to be so deep into alliance territory that they're pretty safe for that alliances members. The biggest gripes will come from carebears in 0.1-0.4 systems. However, the smart pirate will camp the route out of a complex to avoid the no-warp-away feature and then have a good chance of ganking the pilot as he carries his spoils to the nearest main system. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.10.20 18:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Well, instanced complexes would remove the risk of camping yes. CCP just does not want to remove this threat. NPC spawns are a resouce to be competed for just like all other resources in Eve. However, I wouldn't think you need fear continued camping of complexes. Firstly, there should be very many, secondly they feature a no-warp area. Places someone cant run from are generally not oftenly camped since the camp would turn into a trap once a bgger force moves in. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- My guess is the REALLY good complexes will be distributed the same way as the REALLY good spawns - the lower the security rating, the better/more formidable the spawns. 0.0 complexes are likely to be so deep into alliance territory that they're pretty safe for that alliances members. The biggest gripes will come from carebears in 0.1-0.4 systems. However, the smart pirate will camp the route out of a complex to avoid the no-warp-away feature and then have a good chance of ganking the pilot as he carries his spoils to the nearest main system. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.10.20 20:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Kel Shek in EVE... how would that work? theres no session changes like entering a crypt or cave or whatnot, to insert an instance-ing point at. stargates
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.10.20 20:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Kel Shek in EVE... how would that work? theres no session changes like entering a crypt or cave or whatnot, to insert an instance-ing point at. stargates
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.10.20 20:35:00 - [37] but a whole system being instanced? that wouldn't really work.... not to mention it wouldn't be worth the hassle and server load. having kill missions or whatever be located at relatively random middle of nowhere type spots, even if they are repeatable, in that spot, is close enough, IMO. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.10.20 20:35:00 - [38] but a whole system being instanced? that wouldn't really work.... not to mention it wouldn't be worth the hassle and server load. having kill missions or whatever be located at relatively random middle of nowhere type spots, even if they are repeatable, in that spot, is close enough, IMO. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Turyleon Caddarn	Posted - 2004.10.20 20:35:00 - [39] Originally by: Kitten Hearder Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 20/10/2004 18:23:49 Originally by: Turyleon Caddarn umm.. did i miss soemthing? wtf is instancing? Think Diablo and Diablo 2. Where you create your own game and you let who you want in. Thank you! "I know this game, it's called Cat and Mouse. There's only one way to win......... Don't be the mouse."
Turyleon Caddarn	Posted - 2004.10.20 20:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Kitten Hearder Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 20/10/2004 18:23:49 Originally by: Turyleon Caddarn umm.. did i miss soemthing? wtf is instancing? Think Diablo and Diablo 2. Where you create your own game and you let who you want in. Thank you! "I know this game, it's called Cat and Mouse. There's only one way to win......... Don't be the mouse."

Dirtball	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:19:00 - [41] Edited by: Dirtball on 20/10/2004 21:22:20 Originally by: Kitten Hearder Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 20/10/2004 18:55:43 You could do instancing. They can make a button that says "make dungeon" and then you can pharm isk until your cat's litter box smells up the whole house. By then you will be able to get access to the "win teh gaem" button. Which leads to respect in real life. Best post ever the lame thing about games where you level is people think you should respect them when they are a higher level than you. it's nice that eve has none of these things. I mean sure my corpmates and I spam the corp chat with our skill point counts from time to time, but I don't respect anyone more or less as a result, although I do admit I like having more skill points than the majority of people in my corp, but that's lame of me and it's nice that game mechanics keep me humble. Edit: note to self, check cat's litter box tonight.
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:19:00 - [42] Edited by: Dirtball on 20/10/2004 21:22:20 Originally by: Kitten Hearder Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 20/10/2004 18:55:43 You could do instancing. They can make a button that says "make dungeon" and then you can pharm isk until your cat's litter box smells up the whole house. By then you will be able to get access to the "win teh gaem" button. Which leads to respect in real life. Best post ever the lame thing about games where you level is people think you should respect them when they are a higher level than you. it's nice that eve has none of these things. I mean sure my corpmates and I spam the corp chat with our skill point counts from time to time, but I don't respect anyone more or less as a result, although I do admit I like having more skill points than the majority of people in my corp, but that's lame of me and it's nice that game mechanics keep me humble. Edit: note to self, check cat's litter box tonight.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.10.20 22:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Well, instanced complexes would remove the risk of camping yes. CCP just does not want to remove this threat. NPC spawns are a resouce to be competed for just like all other resources in Eve. However, I wouldn't think you need fear continued camping of complexes. Firstly, there should be very many, secondly they feature a no-warp area. Places someone cant run from are generally not oftenly camped since the camp would turn into a trap once a bgger force moves in. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- My guess is the REALLY good complexes will be distributed the same way as the REALLY good spawns - the lower the security rating, the better/more formidable the spawns. 0.0 complexes are likely to be so deep into alliance territory that they're pretty safe for that alliances members. The biggest gripes will come from carebears in 0.1-0.4 systems. However, the smart pirate will camp the route out of a complex to avoid the no-warp-away feature and then have a good chance of ganking the pilot as he carries his spoils to the nearest main system. With the new lvl 4 agent missions empire space carebears will have nothing to whine about for a while. After all, once shiva hits these missions will be better then hunting NPC's in 0.0 space. Complexes will not be in the nov 3 release anyway. I could see whining happening is complexes in 0.0 get to have l33t loot the lvl 4 agents dont get to dish out. But then we'll just whack em over the head with the risk v reward thing again. That is, IF i'm still around nov 3rd.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.10.20 22:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Well, instanced complexes would remove the risk of camping yes. CCP just does not want to remove this threat. NPC spawns are a resouce to be competed for just like all other resources in Eve. However, I wouldn't think you need fear continued camping of complexes. Firstly, there should be very many, secondly they feature a no-warp area. Places someone cant run from are generally not oftenly camped since the camp would turn into a trap once a bgger force moves in. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- My guess is the REALLY good complexes will be distributed the same way as the REALLY good spawns - the lower the security rating, the better/more formidable the spawns. 0.0 complexes are likely to be so deep into alliance territory that they're pretty safe for that alliances members. The biggest gripes will come from carebears in 0.1-0.4 systems. However, the smart pirate will camp the route out of a complex to avoid the no-warp-away feature and then have a good chance of ganking the pilot as he carries his spoils to the nearest main system. With the new lvl 4 agent missions empire space carebears will have nothing to whine about for a while. After all, once shiva hits these missions will be better then hunting NPC's in 0.0 space. Complexes will not be in the nov 3 release anyway. I could see whining happening is complexes in 0.0 get to have l33t loot the lvl 4 agents dont get to dish out. But then we'll just whack em over the head with the risk v reward thing again. That is, IF i'm still around nov 3rd.
Shevar	Posted - 2004.10.21 03:12:00 - [45] Actually mission bookmarks are a type of instance (well quite a few of em are, besides those that happen at specific spots such as npc bases). You get a bookmark to a randomly choosen spot ina solar system. You can have 10 people doing that exact same mission in the same solar system but they wouldn't be in the same grid... -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.10.21 03:12:00 - [46] Actually mission bookmarks are a type of instance (well quite a few of em are, besides those that happen at specific spots such as npc bases). You get a bookmark to a randomly choosen spot ina solar system. You can have 10 people doing that exact same mission in the same solar system but they wouldn't be in the same grid... -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
ShyLion	Posted - 2004.10.21 05:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Kel Shek yeah... I don't actually see HOW eve even COULD do instancing. Technically there is no problem at all. There is a HUGE amount of empty space in eve. Actually ONE solar sysem can house ALL separate daungeons for all 50000 players (if server node is powerfull enough, of course). To create daungeon they would need to pick random grid, and spawn all infrastructure, just like NPC rats spawned and then give a player bookmark. That spawned infrastructure could exist in database as long as player is there, regardless of mission being done. And if NPCs and loot containers are not respawned there, i can see absolutely no problem with economics. Also other players, willing to "participate" could perfom system scan and introduce themselves to daungeon adventurer :) If this is 0.5-1.0 system - nothing could stop CONCORD to help adventurer, if not...well, this is PvP game after all.
ShyLion	Posted - 2004.10.21 05:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Kel Shek yeah... I don't actually see HOW eve even COULD do instancing. Technically there is no problem at all. There is a HUGE amount of empty space in eve. Actually ONE solar sysem can house ALL separate daungeons for all 50000 players (if server node is powerfull enough, of course). To create daungeon they would need to pick random grid, and spawn all infrastructure, just like NPC rats spawned and then give a player bookmark. That spawned infrastructure could exist in database as long as player is there, regardless of mission being done. And if NPCs and loot containers are not respawned there, i can see absolutely no problem with economics. Also other players, willing to "participate" could perfom system scan and introduce themselves to daungeon adventurer :) If this is 0.5-1.0 system - nothing could stop CONCORD to help adventurer, if not...well, this is PvP game after all.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.10.21 05:33:00 - [49] Quote: Also other players, willing to "participate" could perfom system scan and introduce themselves to daungeon adventurer :) If this is 0.5-1.0 system - nothing could stop CONCORD to help adventurer, if not...well, this is PvP game after all. I guess you could have Faux-Instancing like that. and almost do already, though its not really trying very hard. but I'm pretty sure by most standards, part of instancing is that it could NOT be intruded upon by uninvited parties. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.10.21 05:33:00 - [50] Quote: Also other players, willing to "participate" could perfom system scan and introduce themselves to daungeon adventurer :) If this is 0.5-1.0 system - nothing could stop CONCORD to help adventurer, if not...well, this is PvP game after all. I guess you could have Faux-Instancing like that. and almost do already, though its not really trying very hard. but I'm pretty sure by most standards, part of instancing is that it could NOT be intruded upon by uninvited parties. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake

Naomi Venture	Posted - 2004.10.21 06:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Kel Shek but I'm pretty sure by most standards, part of instancing is that it could NOT be intruded upon by uninvited parties. Yeah. The instancing in Anarchy Online or (eventually) World of Warcraft are for the player or party only. Like a seperate dimension. And I agree with those who think it's generally a bad idea. If your game is like (say) Everquest with camping problems, then you've got a lot of fundamental problems with your gameplay. Instancing is a band aid solution, and a very non-constructive one at that.
Naomi Venture	Posted - 2004.10.21 06:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Kel Shek but I'm pretty sure by most standards, part of instancing is that it could NOT be intruded upon by uninvited parties. Yeah. The instancing in Anarchy Online or (eventually) World of Warcraft are for the player or party only. Like a seperate dimension. And I agree with those who think it's generally a bad idea. If your game is like (say) Everquest with camping problems, then you've got a lot of fundamental problems with your gameplay. Instancing is a band aid solution, and a very non-constructive one at that.
xthril	Posted - 2004.10.21 09:13:00 - [53] Random mission bookmarks is close enough in my opinion. And with the new cool level 4 missions you get quite a challenge for the solo player :-D
xthril	Posted - 2004.10.21 09:13:00 - [54] Random mission bookmarks is close enough in my opinion. And with the new cool level 4 missions you get quite a challenge for the solo player :-D


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