Originally by: The Cuckoo

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That's exactly what people like yourself fail to understand. No one spams the scanner, I have NEVER spammed it, what would be the point? It's simply a matter of changing the degree it scans at quickly to pin-point your target. This cannot be done quickly or to any degree of satisfaction now.

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Server has died twice since apoc 1.5.1 and it was still laggy as ever where it counted after Apoc 1.5

Where did those "Precious CPU cycles go"? I haven't seen jack all improvement over lag since "Spamscanning" disappeared. Its only harder to find people and harder to catch those 5 second probes on your scans.

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• Slowed scanning - Doubled time roughly


• Helped macros ratting in 0.0 - More scan time means more time to escape and the fact the macros use local not the scanner.


• Increase in peformance? I have noticed none.

Originally by: Vysnaite

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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Instead they just go for the laziest fix they can think of, and whack in an unannounced, untested, and terribly implemented "fix" (sic). A two second delay between scans, and a highly irritating pop-up.

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Originally by: Heroldyn

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Originally by: Vysnaite

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Jarna took the words out of my mouth in his/her reply, so i am not gonna rephrase all of that.

however, even if i'd agree with you (which i do not!), then the case has still be very poorly been communicated by ccp and the csm has prooven itself too lazy to actually dig a little bit deeper than whatever ccp's imediate answer to a player issue is (an issue with a recording breaking amount of supports in the assembly hall).

had ccp been explaining why it was not an issue all the past years and just recently become an urgent problem, less people would complain about their weak 'solution' to it. In the contrary, they might even be able to help ccp narrow down the source of the problem.

edit: CSM are puppets, with no real power, remind me of highschool "parliament", that had no to very little influence on things. Need to use a whip to encourage those lasy bums.

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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Originally by: Horza Gelian

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If you can't find them because of a 2s delay, you were never going to find them. Though I guess your too indignant to understand that right?

Oh and /tinfoil

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Are you an idiot? Read the post, that's not the complaint. The complaint is that this "fix" is annoying and frustrating, and a cheap and lazy fix. Only noobs and bears fail to appreciate this.

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Originally by: Joe Skellington

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You're the idiot you ****ing noob, get over it.

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Originally by: Grez

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Edited by: Grez on 15/09/2009 15:32:47

Originally by: Blane Xero

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Server has died twice since apoc 1.5.1 and it was still laggy as ever where it counted after Apoc 1.5

Where did those "Precious CPU cycles go"? I haven't seen jack all improvement over lag since "Spamscanning" disappeared. Its only harder to find people and harder to catch those 5 second probes on your scans.

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L2Dev.

The scan fix didn't cause the crash, it didn't have anything to do with it at all.

You're argument is basically "I LOST A SHOE, I BLAME MY SHIRT BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE WARDROBE AT HOME ON FIRE IN AMERICA WHEN I LIVE IN ENGLAND WHEN I HAVE NO LEGS! FIX THIS CCP!". It makes no sense.

Just because there's lag, doesn't mean it's caused by one specific thing. They alleviated the CPU load on the cluster, and as a result they have more headroom to play with. If the crash was caused by a memory leak, or database failure, then that has nothing to do with CPU usage, does it?

The CSM aren't allowed to add certain features because CCP veta them due to technical reasons. This change was done due to a technical reason - not for gameplay reasons. Why is it so difficult to understand that?

I wish, good LORD how I wish people would get a clue.

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Originally by: Chr0nosX

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Originally by: Joe Skellington

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You're the idiot you ****ing noob, get over it.

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Now that is a well thought out argument.

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Originally by: Hoo Is

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cry moar please.... your tears they are so sweet

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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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Instead they just go for the laziest fix they can think of, and whack in an unannounced, untested, and terribly implemented "fix" (sic). A two second delay between scans, and a highly irritating pop-up.



Ok dude, your an idiot.

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Oh dear, you call me an idiot and yet you can't even punctuate properly. Pathetic.

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The 2 second delay was announced on the test server nearly 1 month in advance, and was given the blessing of many pilots there who thought this was an idea that can be easily adapted to. And yes it did fix a lot of server side lag issues about people trying to repeatedly hit scan as fast as possible. the scan button is not the nuke button.

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Funny, didn't see it in the test server forum. Fail again. You obviously have not a clue how to use the scanner and probably a carebear. We don't continuously hit it, what would be the point? We do however have to adjust the scan angle quickly, which takes easily less than 2 seconds to do. It doesn't surprise me that you're incapable of understanding this.

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L2 adapt.
L2 log onto the test server and read test server updates.
Finally, cloaking device > scan spam.

oh and 0/10 for another fail scan thread.

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Sorry, it appears you lack the intelligence to properly assess anything.

Originally by: Dretzle Omega

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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That's exactly what people like yourself fail to understand. No one spams the scanner, I have NEVER spammed it, what would be the point? It's simply a matter of changing the degree it scans at quickly to pin-point your target. This cannot be done quickly or to any degree of satisfaction now.

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If you don't spam the scanner, then this change hasn't affected you so you haven't been annoyed by it.

Let me put it simply:

CCP states that scanner spamming = faster than once every 2 seconds

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You say that you don't spam the scanner (what's the point?)
Therefore, you have not hit the scanner button faster than once every 2 seconds.
So why did you make this thread?

Conclusions: You do spam the scanner.

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Originally by: Andrest Disch

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So, CCP, what are we getting to replace the directional scanner?

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Originally by: Vrikshaka

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Quit bickering like little girls and go bump the real, constructive threads so we can get our scanner fixed.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1155042

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1154904&page=50#1486

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1178194

also: IBTL

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Originally by: Neutrino Sunset

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Edited by: Neutrino Sunset on 15/09/2009 17:10:42

Originally by: Andrest Disch

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So, CCP, what are we getting to replace the directional scanner?

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After they finish coding the new movable window system which they started about 3 years ago and which is still unfinished buggy crap, or after they finish coding the new 'not seamless' map which they started about 2 years ago and which is also still unfinished buggy crap.

Let's face it, Eve will be great when some other company eventually rips off CCP's idea and recodes it. Until then we are royally screwed.

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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Are you an idiot? Read the post, that's not the complaint. The complaint is that this "fix" is annoying and frustrating, and a cheap and lazy fix. Only noobs and bears fail to appreciate this.

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Originally by: Heroldyn

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the constant adding of new artificial delays to the game is a very bad approach.

if spamming the scanner button creates lag, ccp should:

1) upgrade the server-farm with new hardware
2) redesign the scanner code, so that it runs more efficient and doesnt create that much of a lag.
3) Put a delay on the scanner to stop people from spamming it 14 times in 4 seconds.

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Originally by: Mire Stoude

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Edited by: Mire Stoude on 15/09/2009 17:26:03

Originally by: Heroldyn

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the constant adding of new artificial delays to the game is a very bad approach.

if spamming the scanner button creates lag, ccp should:

1) upgrade the server-farm with new hardware
2) redesign the scanner code, so that it runs more efficient and doesnt create that much of a lag.
3) Put a delay on the scanner to stop people from spamming it 14 times in 4 seconds.

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Originally by: Andrest Disch

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Originally by: Vrikshaka

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Quit bickering like little girls and go bump the real, constructive threads so we can get our scanner fixed.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1155042

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1154904&page=50#1486

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1178194

also: IBTL

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Because keeping to the right forums and threads has given such thought provoking CCP responses so far.


Enter the stage "if we don't look it's not there" of problem solving.

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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Originally by: Dretzle Omega

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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That's exactly what people like yourself fail to understand. No one spams the scanner, I have NEVER spammed it, what would be the point? It's simply a matter of changing the degree it scans at quickly to pin-point your target. This cannot be done quickly or to any degree of satisfaction now.

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If you don't spam the scanner, then this change hasn't affected you so you haven't been annoyed by it.

Let me put it simply:

CCP states that scanner spamming = faster than once every 2 seconds

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Erm, where have they said this? They didn't, so you're full of ****.

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The Directional Scanner can now only be activated once every 2 seconds. This has been done due to performance concerns and exploits.

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Originally by: Mire Stoude

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Edited by: Mire Stoude on 15/09/2009 17:26:03

Originally by: Heroldyn

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the constant adding of new artificial delays to the game is a very bad approach.

if spamming the scanner button creates lag, ccp should:

1) upgrade the server-farm with new hardware
2) redesign the scanner code, so that it runs more efficient and doesnt create that much of a lag.
3) Put a delay on the scanner to stop people from spamming it 14 times in 4 seconds.

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Originally by: Simeon Tor

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You people take internet spaceships too seriously ...

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Originally by: Heroldyn

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the content of my posts is my intellectual property and i therefore own full pasteright on it.

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Originally by: Dretzle Omega

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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Originally by: Dretzle Omega

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Originally by: The Cuckoo

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That's exactly what people like yourself fail to understand. No one spams the scanner, I have NEVER spammed it, what would be the point? It's simply a matter of changing the degree it scans at quickly to pin-point your target. This cannot be done quickly or to any degree of satisfaction now.

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If you don't spam the scanner, then this change hasn't affected you so you haven't been annoyed by it.

Let me put it simply:

CCP states that scanner spamming = faster than once every 2 seconds

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Erm, where have they said this? They didn't, so you're full of ****.

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http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=191

Specifically:

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The Directional Scanner can now only be activated once every 2 seconds. This has been done due to performance concerns and exploits.

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Did they say "this has been done due to scanner spamming? No, but if the scanner didn't get spammed more often than every 2 seconds, they wouldn't have noted that it is due to performance concerns. Hence, it was done (at least partially) due to scanner spamming.

What do you define as spamming the scanner? One dictionary defines spam as: Any large, annoying, quantity of output. CCP obviously considered hitting the scanner every two seconds as a large quantity of output, or else they wouldn't site performance concerns as a reason.


I'm only picking on how you made this thread to say how annoyed you were that you can't spam the scanner, but then say that you NEVER spam the scanner and there is no point to. Which is it?

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