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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:27:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Verone
misunderstanding stuff
I did post the mail about the diplomacy...if you click the link you'll see it. There was chating and such and this is the formal acceptance post.
why are you trying to stir up issues? friendly to Battlestar or something? Don't you have a gate to camp somehwere? |
Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:32:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone
I'm honestly shocked.
And we'd care what you think why exactly? Back under the rug gutter rat.
I take it your a little sore at me for some reason? Strange.
I do remember the last time we spoke in person it was somewhat of a friendly exchange Jade. I also remember myself and my ex-wife enjoyed your company and valued you as a good friend, along with your late partner.
Strange turn of events, and a bizarre and somewhat unwarranted outburst for no real reason. I'm of the personal opinion that grudges stay in space, and there's no substitute for presenting yourself with at least a little moral fibre and decency.
Still, no harm no foul. I'm sure you'll learn to control your tongue and be more polite in time. Oh, and for reference a gutter rat is named as such because it lives in the gutter, not under a rug.
I accept that I live in the gutter, at the bottom, but from where I stand the only way is up. I have a bright future ahead of me.
On the contrary, it's a long fall for you from that self envisaged pedestal among the high and mighty clouds you've placed yourself upon.
Pack light, and maybe you'll bounce.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:37:00 -
[33]
what the heck are you talking about? You are sticking your beak in this buisness with no info and are wrong too boot.
stop taking Crash, it burns out that pretty face. |
Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:38:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
why are you trying to stir up issues? friendly to Battlestar or something? Don't you have a gate to camp somehwere?
As I said, if you'd have digested what was written before also launching an attack, I'm no friend of Amarr loyalists and intended in no way to badmouth the work of the freecaptains.
My post was written as a question, hence the question mark at the end of it.
The Fraction seems awfully self conscious and defensive in recent months for some reason, I'm concerned as to why this might be.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:45:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
why are you trying to stir up issues? friendly to Battlestar or something? Don't you have a gate to camp somehwere?
As I said, if you'd have digested what was written before also launching an attack, I'm no friend of Amarr loyalists and intended in no way to badmouth the work of the freecaptains.
My post was written as a question, hence the question mark at the end of it.
The Fraction seems awfully self conscious and defensive in recent months for some reason, I'm concerned as to why this might be.
the thread has the answers, no need to trash SF when we aren't the ones who intend to break their word...as it seems Battlestar Crusader is. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:47:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Verone
I'm no friend of Amarr loyalists and intended in no way to badmouth the work of the freecaptains.
In all the time I've known of you Verone you have been a consistent supporter of the Amarrian nationalists and verbal enemy of the Fraction. Sometimes you've claimed otherwise but your nature generally shines through. You are a gutter-rat and you respect what you perceive to be the success of more successful gutter-rats, hence your idolization of the Amarrian nationalist bloc.
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The Fraction seems awfully self conscious and defensive in recent months for some reason, I'm concerned as to why this might be.
Don't mistake our derision for the clusmy interventions of a washed up pirate for any real concern. Battlestar Crusader has embarrassed himself and his corporation immensely today. You take his side and become a mockery. Thats really all there is to it.
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Gebher'el
Amarr
The King's Sword
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:59:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Tecam Hund
In the course of our campaign against the corporations of 24th Crusade I've personally encountered proud Amarr crusaders attempting to self destruct their vessels to nullify kill rights,
I am curious, you say this like this is a direputable act in some way. How exactly is this a wrong thing to do. You know you will lose your ship so you self destruct the ship to deny the enemy the kill, this is bad how?
Does it make the victory in the combat any less sweat? Is not the goal of any pilot to deny his enemy a kill? In fact is not a self destruct a smart thing since it allows the pilot to control the timing of the destruction and thus making it more likely he can escape in his pod?
I find it interesting you consider a viable tactic in some way bad...
Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, God will be a light unto me. |
Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:04:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
why are you trying to stir up issues? friendly to Battlestar or something? Don't you have a gate to camp somehwere?
As I said, if you'd have digested what was written before also launching an attack, I'm no friend of Amarr loyalists and intended in no way to badmouth the work of the freecaptains.
My post was written as a question, hence the question mark at the end of it.
The Fraction seems awfully self conscious and defensive in recent months for some reason, I'm concerned as to why this might be.
the thread has the answers, no need to trash SF when we aren't the ones who intend to break their word...as it seems Battlestar Crusader is.
I'm not intending to "trash" The Fraction at all, as you'll see from my words in your own quote of what I posted. I asked a question as I take interest in the Freecaptains operations against the Empire, and the State.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
In all the time I've known of you Verone you have been a consistent supporter of the Amarrian nationalists and verbal enemy of the Fraction. Sometimes you've claimed otherwise but your nature generally shines through. You are a gutter-rat and you respect what you perceive to be the success of more successful gutter-rats, hence your idolization of the Amarrian nationalist bloc.
As for you Jade, I'll take your lack of a reasonable reply as either agreement with me, given I've done you no wrong, or the fact you're off looking for a random old and dated quote from me somewhere that you can twist the words in to make me seem the aggressive party here. I actually remember wishing you luck at the start of Operation Castrato rather vividly.
Your claims I'm an Amarr Loyalist supporter with absolutely no remotely solid or consequential evidence baffle me somewhat, considering on a number of occasions in the past I've shared good conversation with yourself and your late partner Revan, who many will know is a Sani-Sabik Loyalist, and attended many of her rather lavish and enjoyable parties.
I apologise wholeheartedly if I offended you sweetheart, or misunderstood your initial post and I hope you're still as well as the last time we spoke in person. It was after all a long time ago.
I'm sure you'll realise when you calm yourself down and aren't so confused that what I said was a question rather than an attack on the freecaptains combat abilities. I of course, as always, wish you luck against the 24th Imperial Crusade and their capsuleer paramilitaries.
To Toma, apologies if my questions offended you. I'm also glad that you feel my face is pretty, that new line in moisturising capsule suspension fluid is obviously working up to par. You're quite striking yourself for a Brutor, but I'm sorry my bread just isn't buttered that side.
I'll leave you to continue to hurl abuse at me for no apparent reason, I have more important things to take care of.
Take care of yourselves, and once again good luck.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:06:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Gebher'el
I am curious, you say this like this is a direputable act in some way. How exactly is this a wrong thing to do. You know you will lose your ship so you self destruct the ship to deny the enemy the kill, this is bad how?
I think tecam was talking more about suiciding an unfitted or poorly fitted ship and crew against a SF vessel purely to nulify kill-rights granted on previous engagements. I've certainly seen 24th Crusades attack my vessels with gutter-fit battleships just through fear of the kill-rights I had on them. Its more a form of assisted suicide. Obviously it leads to some better peace of mind on their part - but it is showing a lamentable lack of faith in their own abilities and the help they can expect from friends.
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:26:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Gebher'el
I am curious, you say this like this is a direputable act in some way. How exactly is this a wrong thing to do. You know you will lose your ship so you self destruct the ship to deny the enemy the kill, this is bad how?
A certain God's Crusader whose name escapes me now attempted to self destruct a proud Armageddon class battleship not engaged in battle upon receiving some ill advice from one of his comrades. He canceled the countdown after realizing that it would not actually work and let his nearly unfitted vessel be destroyed without a fight instead.
A heathen, anarchist and terrorist, I would never dishonor myself such. Surely an Imperial Crusaders have higher standards, or do they?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:30:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I've certainly seen 24th Crusades attack my vessels with gutter-fit battleships just through fear of the kill-rights I had on them. Its more a form of assisted suicide. Obviously it leads to some better peace of mind on their part - but it is showing a lamentable lack of faith in their own abilities and the help they can expect from friends.
Ah, I remember the last time I had killrights on you. Amidst a fleet of your SF fleetmates in a standoff with a 24th Crusade Fleet. My Crusaded attacked your Thorax without hesitation, stripping its shields and ripping into your armor while your shot were ineffectually missing. You launched a full flight of Vespa EC-600's on me, but they failed to jam me while you dipped below 50% armor. Then you ordered your fleet members to open fire on me in a breach of Concord regulations while you quickly and cravenly warped out yourself. My Crusader was wrecked, but at the cost of 4 of your fleet mates ships, which were picked apart by the sentry guns and the 24th Crusade fleet.
The true face of ms. Constantine was revealed there. Ordering her fleetmates to sacrifice their ships on her behalf and running away. From a my setup she classified as a 'running away fit' herself. I know it might have been embarassing to lose one's Thorax to a 'running away ship' while a significant part of your alliance is watching, but really.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:36:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Merdaneth
Notice Me Notice Me Notice MEEEEE!"
Boring evening eh?
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:44:00 -
[43]
Verone, to somewhat answer your question, the negotiations between Star Fraction and Battlestar were ongoing for what must have been close to two months now.
No exact logs of these negotiations were divulged even to the membership of the Star Fraction. I only know that several talks have happened between Battlestar and various members of SF. Our terms are quite standard as well and I doubt anyone would come to expect us demanding anything less than Absinthe leaving the Crusade.
As you can see everything was quite respectful, and if you followed our progress on IGS you know that we never dishonor our enemies who choose to leave the conflict (which I am sure was brought up to Battlestar's attention).
Also, it's worth a note that while the fact that negotiations were happening was known not a single member of Star Fraction made that known in public up to this point.
That should only reinforce the fact that we take our diplomacy seriously and give our enemies the respect we think they deserve.
It is no surprise that in light of this Battlestar's surrender was thought to be genuine. Nor there was any need to discuss the terms that were already made perfectly clear.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:51:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Merdaneth
Notice Me Notice Me Notice MEEEEE!"
Boring evening eh?
Indeed. Perhaps I am starting to resemble late ms. Neferis somewhat.
Merdaneth ponders
Indeed, I'll refrain from posting more in this thread. My apologies.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:51:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Verone, to somewhat answer your question, the negotiations between Star Fraction and Battlestar were ongoing for what must have been close to two months now.
No exact logs of these negotiations were divulged even to the membership of the Star Fraction. I only know that several talks have happened between Battlestar and various members of SF. Our terms are quite standard as well and I doubt anyone would come to expect us demanding anything less than Absinthe leaving the Crusade.
As you can see everything was quite respectful, and if you followed our progress on IGS you know that we never dishonor our enemies who choose to leave the conflict (which I am sure was brought up to Battlestar's attention).
Also, it's worth a note that while the fact that negotiations were happening was known not a single member of Star Fraction made that known in public up to this point.
That should only reinforce the fact that we take our diplomacy seriously and give our enemies the respect we think they deserve.
It is no surprise that in light of this Battlestar's surrender was thought to be genuine. Nor there was any need to discuss the terms that were already made perfectly clear.
Outstanding.
Thanks for the rather more civil clarification, it's much appreciated.
Good luck in concluding successful negotiations.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Casiella Truza
Back Alley Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.16 01:39:00 -
[46]
So, no surrender, then, right?
Am I correct in understanding that somebody thinks that the CONCORD wardec fees will cause trouble to an alliance that has (had?) a titan?
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:11:00 -
[47]
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
No im afriad jade, no terms were discussed at th time of surrender and none were agreed, by accpeting the surrender you agreed there were no terms. So being a man of your word, will you go back on yours, will you sacrafice your honour and taint the name of your oh so powerful alliance.
^^this, pure win.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:14:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Invelious
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
No im afriad jade, no terms were discussed at th time of surrender and none were agreed, by accpeting the surrender you agreed there were no terms. So being a man of your word, will you go back on yours, will you sacrafice your honour and taint the name of your oh so powerful alliance.
^^this, pure win.
No surprise to find you supporting a liar and foresworn dog condemned and distrusted even by his own corporation for this.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:17:00 -
[49]
And we'd care what you think why exactly? Back under the rug gutter rat.
^^This^^...not a smart comment to be making in response to a legitimate and honest reply
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Theophilas
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:21:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Invelious
And we'd care what you think why exactly? Back under the rug gutter rat.
^^This^^...not a smart comment to be making in response to a legitimate and honest reply
Star Fraction only cares about Star Fraction, and more specifically, Jade only cares about Jade.
Their corp and their philosophy are hollow.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:36:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Theophilas
Originally by: Invelious
And we'd care what you think why exactly? Back under the rug gutter rat.
^^This^^...not a smart comment to be making in response to a legitimate and honest reply
Star Fraction only cares about Star Fraction, and more specifically, Jade only cares about Jade.
Their corp and their philosophy are hollow.
True Story. Theo never lies.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:38:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Invelious
True Story. Theo never lies.
Never fights either... almost as if his only job is posting on IGS.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:46:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Invelious
True Story. Theo never lies.
Never fights either... almost as if his only job is posting on IGS.
Not everyone has to fight to contribute. and his posting is spot on, hence your defensive remark.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 03:03:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Invelious
Not everyone has to fight to contribute. and his posting is spot on, hence your defensive remark.
Since when has suggesting that somebody is a substance-free forum-only mouthpiece been in any ways considered "defensive"? That dear chap was as defensive as a stab in the face with a sharp stick.
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Theophilas
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.16 03:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
is a substance-free forum-only mouthpiece
Interesting word choice Jade...
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Kai Zion
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Posted - 2009.09.16 03:44:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Theophilas
Star Fraction only cares about Star Fraction
That is a seductive claim, pilot. Simple, elegant, and on the surface, seemingly supported by a plethora of evidence.
But you must learn your history my dear, and try to understand the politics of our kind. You see, you are talking about one of the most longstanding NRDS organizations in New Eden. Their rules of engagement have effectively mandated a concern for entities outside their own organization for as long as history records their existence as one. Even before there was a Star Fraction, far back in time, where brief historical anecdotes paint the story of a rag-tag crew of nobody anarchists slumming around in H-PA, even then, they had concerns for others outside their own corporation. The records kept by the Fraction's enemies at the time will even confirm this much, you needn't take my word for it.
And so, of course, singling them out amongst an endless ocean of territorial NBSI entities and accusing them of self-interest, when throughout the years, that capacity to care for others outside their immediate corporate family has been a uniquely central, consistent theme to their struggle...one that they would sooner self-destruct over than see betrayed, well, that would be about the most illogical argument you could attempt to pass off as fact.
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Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.16 04:21:00 -
[57]
SF has twice now dropped wars on my corporation. We did not howl to the masses on IGS. We did not pat ourselves on the back. From PIE, to ATCR, to AMC, Star Fraction have given up their wars over and over and over
SF, however, honestly need this sort of thing.
This thread is a joke that all but SF are in on. However, SF has always been a group unable and unwilling to see when they are the butt of the joke, or to acknowledge the size of the amused audience.
I do find it ironic that SF value a CONCORD form letter as proof that they have not been wasting their time, while the subject of that letter feels quite otherwise. Most intelligent organisations in the starcluster have figured this stuff out years ago. SF, it would seem, do not have possess any capacity for this sort of learning.
Let them have their forum drama. Otherwise, they might do something real or productive, and that would probably be a lot worse for everyone, wouldn't it?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 04:35:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Graelyn
Let them have their forum drama. Otherwise, they might do something real or productive, and that would probably be a lot worse for everyone, wouldn't it?
Fine words from another never-seen-in-space dockmonkey.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.09.16 04:40:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Graelyn on 16/09/2009 04:44:38
Are you mad?
You sound mad.
You also sound incapable of refuting anything I show the world about you. But that is, of course, the longstanding status quo.
Your tears are far too commonplace and prevalent to find any enjoyment in, unfortunately, but I will admit that my weakness for shaedenfruede never fails to draw my attention to the sad spectacle of the Star Fraction and it's leadership.
This is where you fall down. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 04:42:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Graelyn
Are you mad?
You sound mad.
Quoting hand-me-down goonswarm memes now Graelyn? I suppose thats about your level.
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