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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.17 15:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Merdaneth
I have not spoken to Battlestar during this incident and have no access to diplomatic channels. However, I resent the accusation. I have never lied, acted dishonorably or condoned or supported such behaviour. I was merely *explaining* to your alliance member how this came about, pointing out that he was overgeneralizing.
I'm somewhat surprised to see you still posting publicly after your reprimand from your corporation diplomat Merdaneth. Still I imagine there is some debate within PIE as to whether the standards that Rodj speaks of has current meaning in the 24th Crusade Context.
Your excuses aside, the reality is that you plainly stated that you didn't see the value of dealing honourably with enemies on this thread. This could mean you personally are prepared to lie and cheat and steal and break whatever promises are made if you see it to your advantage to do so - as such I'll take it under advisement and realize that since you are not bound to speak truthfully on any matter involving Star Fraction (and other enemy entity) your IGS posting can be dismissed as falsehood without detailed rebuttal.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:57:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Merdaneth
The Cosmopolite promised diplomacy with the Star Fraction will remain absolutely private, yet you and other members are detailing in this thread what happened during the diplomatic overtures with Absinthe. You did this in response to a preceding breach of confidence by your diplomatic partner, true. But let us not forget that SF harassed an Electus Matari diplomat over a similar issue.
For the record, Arkady Sadik (the person in question) is not an Electus Matari diplomat. He's an excellent fleet commander and a superb logistician (in all senses of the word). But if you want to talk to the diplomatic squad about the issue, contact Elsebeth Rhiannon or Carinelle Avriette.
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Havohej
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
For the record, Arkady Sadik (the person in question) is not an Electus Matari diplomat. He's an excellent fleet commander and a superb logistician (in all senses of the word). But if you want to talk to the diplomatic squad about the issue, contact Elsebeth Rhiannon or Carinelle Avriette.
This must be a fashionable thread; it's drawn the finest people!
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.09.17 22:05:00 -
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I'm luffly!
But yes, I'm finding this discussion interesting as we've faced similar gambits in the past - people who have been presented with terms for stopping the war, have cracked and surrenders and then tried to start up again with exactly what we agreed they would stop. It's not vastly clever, as it means they cannot surrender again as no-one, especially the people they just messed around, will believe them and those very people, who were crushing them before, are placed in a position where they have no choice but to hunt the recalcitrant to extinction.
-Eva-
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.17 22:34:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
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Still it does speak a lot about you Merdeneth. In essence you've declared your belief that its okay to break your word to a hated foe. I imagine that means that any suggestion of a formal duel, 1v1, truce or temperary ceasefire for any reason whatsoever proposed by yourself would be a lie and strategem designed to gain advantage for a better backstab right Merdeneth? Any diplomacy with PIE is meaningless because you wouldn't keep your word anyway because you consider lying to a foe as "right" behaviour to gain IGS "advantage" and kudos from 24th Crusade CEOs. Your hatred means you justify any petty betrayal for advantage and give yourself up to the animal rage of spiteful and base behaviour. Understood loud and clear.
Merdaneth is not a PIE diplomat and does not have any authority in that area. Our policy is not as described by you.
New Eden can rest assured that PIE upholds its diplomatic agreements and treaty commitments, no matter who they are with.
Which was why I have been surprised as Merdaneth defending a breach in diplomacy. IÆd assume from PIEÆs history just like Star Fractions that if an official agreement was made, it would be followed hell-or-high-water. All an alliance has is its word after all.
Originally by: Merdaneth
TB: Battlestar broke his word, he cannot be trusted to keep his word!
M: He broke his word against SF, he cannot be trusted to keep his word to SF would be a better conclusion
M: He probably broke his word because SF (especially its CEO) are universally loathed and breaking your word with them is not seen as particularly bad
JC: Ha, you think it is allowed to break your word with hated enemies!
M: I'm merely explaining the context to mr. TB and pointing out generalization errors.
Breaking oneÆs word is less about being ôbadö to the one betrayed and more about the one who is breaking his word betrays his own honor, trust and reputation. It isn't about Jade, its about Battlestar Crusader.
That you, a member of PIE, doesnÆt understand the value of loyalty to honor and the word once given is surely a sign of these darkening days of cluster wide war. Is this rust forming on the golden hull?
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.18 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 18/09/2009 00:34:25
Originally by: Merdaneth
MS. Constantine, you do break your word or act with hypocrisy. Just to mention a relevant example: The Cosmopolite promised diplomacy with the Star Fraction will remain absolutely private, yet you and other members are detailing in this thread what happened during the diplomatic overtures with Absinthe. You did this in response to a preceding breach of confidence by your diplomatic partner, true. But let us not forget that SF harassed an Electus Matari diplomat over a similar issue.
You don't practice what you preach.
Alas, for you, I stated in the very thread you reference regarding the Electus Matari that: 'If one party breaks confidence it clearly absolves the other party of its obligation to maintain confidence.'
So given, as you yourself say, that Absinthe breached diplomatic confidence in order to make a foolish joke out of our discussions, it is no breach on our part to simply say that we had had talks and during them we stated our standard terms.
Indeed, that is all we have confirmed. You suggest we have revealed in lurid detail all that was said by us and, more importantly perhaps, all that was said by Absinthe diplomats in those discussions. Yet we haven't. There really is no need to go into such details. All we say is that the talks took place and we presented our usual terms. Beyond that, we know that Absinthe chose to turn diplomacy into trickery as a means to play a rather flacid practical joke because they chose to hoot about it to their friends and on these channels.
There is no hypocrisy here. No breach by us. No failure to 'practice what we preach'.
I suppose I have to thank you once more for showing that all your attempts to smear us are based on lies and misrepresentation, together with once more allowing me to demonstrate how inept and simple to dissolve these attempts are.
The Cosmopolite
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Onin Ra
Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.09.18 14:18:00 -
[97]
Trolls got trolled.
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:13:00 -
[98]
so, they they finally surrender or what?
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Neu Bastian
Valklear Guard - CEO
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Snakester
Caldari
Blood and Money
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.09.19 19:24:00 -
[99]
Christ, SF still alive?.
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Casiella Truza
Back Alley Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.20 14:36:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Neu Bastian
so, they they finally surrender or what?[/quote
Come on, we all know he's just jerking them around at this point.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.20 16:00:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Casiella Truza
Originally by: Neu Bastian
so, they they finally surrender or what?
Come on, we all know he's just jerking them around at this point.
Quite. For the avoidance of doubt, the war has been reinstated and continues pending any relevant developments.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Khanid Voltar
Zarathustra's Dionysian Modernists
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Posted - 2009.10.15 22:36:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Snakester
Christ, SF still alive?.
Unfortunately so. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.16 14:22:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Khanid Voltar
Originally by: Snakester
Christ, SF still alive?.
Unfortunately so.
We lack enemies with the capability to change that status. I understand its frustrating but ultimately the failure is your own. Take responsibility for that and you'll find the honesty of the true viewpoint somewhat refreshing.
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Vall Kor
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.16 15:08:00 -
[104]
Some are surprised that they went back on their word? You actually thought the Amarr s****would keep his word? They will one learn at the end of our guns!
Death to the empire!
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.16 16:23:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Vall Kor
Some are surprised that they went back on their word? You actually thought the Amarr s****would keep his word?
Well the issue here is two fold.
1. Diplomacy requires that (at first) benefit of the doubt has to be extended, for honor and promises are all that diplomacy really is.
2. AB-C, though now obviously a tarnished corporation with no trust or honor to speak of, was in company with corporations like PIE which would keep their word regardless of to whom it was given.
AB-C, Battlestar Crusader, continues to do more damage to the integrity of the 24th Crusade corporations than any enemy could dream of. Catching them in these blatant lies certainly wasnÆt the intention of the diplomacy but what a windfall for the forces in opposition to the 24th crusade to see how juvenile and rank with duplicity this ôleaderö is.
All the 24th CrusadeÆs enemies can do is blow up their ships and suppress them into interceptors or station docking bays. Damage to their character can only come from with in.
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Theophilas
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.17 00:40:00 -
[106]
It's laughable to think that any loyal pilot of the Amarr empire would enter negotiations with known terrorists in any real capacity. In fact, it's well known within the empire that there is a standing policy of ZERO negotiations with any terrorist organization, doing so would see them standing before a military tribunal in no time at all.
In other words, you got exactly what you deserved.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.17 13:45:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Theophilas
It's laughable to think that any loyal pilot of the Amarr empire would enter negotiations with known terrorists...
clearly you didn't read the thread, Battlestar admits to doing so, I posted an image proving it and then Battlestar admits to lying and breaking his word. Not only did Battlestar not get this "no negotiation" memo but he then further crossed Amarrian reputation by lying about it and breaking his word.
Originally by: Theophilas
In other words, you got exactly what you deserved.
thus speaks another Amarrian who seems to not understand Honor and the Word Once Given. Such rust on the Golden Hull.
Very disappointing to one who has seen the quality of Amarrian metal and has to now contend with simpering dishonest curs masquerading as Imperial Warriors. |
Theophilas
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.17 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Very disappointing to one who has seen the quality of Amarrian metal and has to now contend with simpering dishonest curs masquerading as Imperial Warriors.
You are a terrorist, what about that don't you understand?
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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar
The Causality
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Posted - 2009.10.17 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas
It's laughable to think that any loyal pilot of the Amarr empire would enter negotiations with known terrorists in any real capacity. In fact, it's well known within the empire that there is a standing policy of ZERO negotiations with any terrorist organization, doing so would see them standing before a military tribunal in no time at all.
In other words, you got exactly what you deserved.
Theo. I hate to shatter your illusions (OK, well maybe I don't) but PIE have negotiated with people they call terrorists, Electus Matari. The organisations have negotiated temporary ceasefires a few times for various reasons. Not full blown peace negotiations I admit, but negotiations nonetheless.
Now I have no time for PIE's poltics. But I would hesitate to call them disloyal to the empire.
Regards,
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