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flakeys
Vanguard Frontiers
Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.16 15:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Jadun
Originally by: Ambo
Ok, this is one of the dumbest IPOs I've ever seen.
You've got loads of shiny stuff that you're not using that's worth 150-200 bil.
You want other people to give you 50 bil to pimp a Golem and a Paladin for... somthing, we have no idea what.
In 6 months to a year, Entity gets hold of your char, buys all the items (effectively from himself) and gives the proceeds to investors.
You won't sell your own stuff to raise the cash to do this despite the fact that there is no reason not to do so.
You don't say what the ships are for.
You say your stuff will not get blown up. This is Eve, unless you're just going to look at it in a hanger then there is always a chance.
Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags.
For what it's worth, I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything. Best of luck to investors I guess.
you are too dumb for words, but i will give it a try.
Such a statement says more in my books about you then ambo.
Allthough i don't feel this is a scam purely going on someones 'rep' ingame has proved a wrong discission in the past or is your memory faiding that fast?
There does not allways have to be a 'reason' to do something and obviously the OP just wants to go out with a blast.Be it a 50 bille scam or a super IPO time will tell.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 10/10/2009 10:20:06
And so the fight is on since wildcat approved of the 1vs1 on general discussion.
So who is gonna start the betting pool?
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
I'm honestly tempted to give him the finger at this point because of his interaction with me and keep his ISK, but I bounced the idea off Hemmo, who told me it would be a poor idea, even if deserved, and would probably cause other people to ask for refunds, which I don't really have to give.
You made a deal with him.You failed on holding onto those terms of the deal.Now he get's mad about it and you want to give the finger because the guy deserves this.
You wanted to make this an ipo while you had enough isk to do it yourself.Now you will have to deal with those who invested in this and keep your word on it.
If i understand right he has every reason to ask the isk back since he allready , after only a few weeks on the ipo , knows you broke your word.Čou say he knew the isk would be invested for a long time , well you knew he was after that char but STILL sold it because the offer was higher.Being an uberrich char makes that even worse and shows a true nature here.
If i read wrong then i apologise but it seems verry simple:You promised he would get your char and thus he invested.You sold that character because you could get more isk out of it.He now is mad and wants his is back wich you dont understand.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.10 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
That's correct. ThormozOK's introductory line was, "I know this probably isn't enough to buy Aruik but..." I included him in my IPO, and stopped reply/bumping my character sale thread because I didn't care one way or the other who ended up with the character from my second account.
As far as the finger....like I said - I'll sit and brew about someone being a jerk to me, and venting here and telling other people that he's a jerk makes me feel better. =p It won't change the fact that he'll get his money back, just like daydreaming that the guy who just cut you off violently in traffic blows a tire, flips over several times off a cliff and explodes in midair doesn't make that happen either. Its called wishful thinking and aggression management. =p
Then i stand corrected as i interpreted from your post that he was promised this toon on a 100% guarantee.
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.25 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Jadun
Originally by: Ambo
Ok, this is one of the dumbest IPOs I've ever seen.
You've got loads of shiny stuff that you're not using that's worth 150-200 bil.
You want other people to give you 50 bil to pimp a Golem and a Paladin for... somthing, we have no idea what.
In 6 months to a year, Entity gets hold of your char, buys all the items (effectively from himself) and gives the proceeds to investors.
You won't sell your own stuff to raise the cash to do this despite the fact that there is no reason not to do so.
You don't say what the ships are for.
You say your stuff will not get blown up. This is Eve, unless you're just going to look at it in a hanger then there is always a chance.
Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags.
For what it's worth, I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything. Best of luck to investors I guess.
you are too dumb for words, but i will give it a try.
Such a statement says more in my books about you then ambo.
Allthough i don't feel this is a scam purely going on someones 'rep' ingame has proved a wrong discission in the past or is your memory faiding that fast?
There does not allways have to be a 'reason' to do something and obviously the OP just wants to go out with a blast.Be it a 50 bille scam or a super IPO time will tell.
Who is too dumb for words now.
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.26 08:52:00 -
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Funny ,
yih scammed for 4 bille and got bumped to hell.
Curzon scammed for 50 bille and a day later only 4 replies?Mass stupidity is less butthurting eh?
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.26 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dead Geisha
Originally by: cosmoray
I can say though, that IMO Curzon is one of the stand up people in the game.
Nice analysis, cosmo! I look forward to the next scam you will endorse.
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Too scared to post with your main troll?
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.26 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Cista2
Why is everyone idolizing this scamming ********? I don't get it.
Not sure. He's presenting it as taking advantage of people's greed and the CP folk seem to be buying that (although they tend to admire scams anyway). Its a shame he can't see, or doesn't want to see, that he took advantage of people's trust rather than their greed.
Quite simple:
As you can see allmost no one who has invested has posted as i stated earlier.This shows they mostly feel their epeen been crushed a bit , specially since a lot of them had comments on the yih and general newbold offer and are being shownwrong 10 times as hard now.Those that do post tend to behave like it's all in goody good.
Also he was handing out isk so people not involved would see him as a good guy/robin hood/whatever.Shows me that he is needs to give people isk to be liked and remembered.
His reasoning is just bull**** in my eyes btw , he is an attention***** and nothing more.He did not set this up from the start wich he is letting people believe.He just allways had a big epeen probably , discovered how that tends to work like a charm and now wanted to leave his epeen mark on eve.
This is offcourse speculation and he can/will claim i am wrong wich he offcourse is entitled to.I just won't believe a **** he says since he is nothing more then a scammer and i don't believe **** scammers say.
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.26 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: RAW23
the CP folk seem to be buying that (although they tend to admire scams anyway).
I meant this thread actually. Any new player that tries to raise 1 bn gets ripped to pieces on MD, while this scammer gets a standing ovation ("well played", "well played indeed" etc)
Go figure.
How would you feel if you had laughed about the general newbold and yih investments wich where just peanuts and then stepped into one of the biggest scams so far?
Most people feel their epeen's been hurt way too much to admit the stupidity.At least the guy above is honest allthough he is begging for his isk back.
The rep-thing i have discussed in a ji sama thread while back.Most people still believe in rep despite Ricdic , Xabier and now this one.This will allways be the case and we can just wait for another big heist and in the meantime see the people who fall for it beat down the new players asking for some pocket change.
I rather invest in new people like 15 bille in Raw23 as i have now , knowing the risk it gives , then hand out any dime to a big uncollateralised loan that is based on reputation alone.
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.26 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Edited by: Cista2 on 26/12/2009 19:18:53
Originally by: flakeys
How would you feel if you had laughed about the general newbold and yih investments wich where just peanuts and then stepped into one of the biggest scams so far?
The investors would have my full sympathy if they were raging. I tip my hat to Ginlaan as well, he is honest.
But to applaud the scammer is disgraceful.
Have the same feeling over ginlaan and others as u state .. takes a lot more balls to ask back for isk and admit faillure then to pretend the OP is the coolest bloke around.
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.26 20:33:00 -
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Those 3 you call big scam got away with maximum half the isk the OP has run off with and they had to fight hard on the forums to get that isk.Their threads where kept active for a long time and i bet this one will go down to the next page a lot faster.
The op just set up a chair , launched the thread and got the isk flowing in like water.I'm curious as to what his max wuld have been , wouldn't be surprised if he could have gotten 100 bille loan.
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.27 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 27/12/2009 07:45:17
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan
Those 3 investments were 16.1B + 15B + 8B = 39.1B. Z'Xera didn't actually get anything though, so the amount actually scammed was 24.1 B. There is possibly another 2.5B for the Bitter Sea Trading Company, whose status is now uncertain. So, pretty close to half of the 50B that Curzon got publicly.
Don't want to be a precise pain but this is the way i the threads got bumped till death wich was funny.
Claims r yih got away with a big amount.He got between 3 to 5 only MAX.
General was said mutliple times that he was probably using alts who 'claim to invest' , if you look at the thread closely you will see it probably was not more then a max of 15 bille.
Originally by: Vasta Magna
Add Nova Wayout to the above two lists. Don't remember how much that one was, but small.
1.5 bille.
Still we ain't getting 50 bille peop keep going.
That's precisely the problem people keep bumping them months in a time and we tend to think it was bigger then it actually was.
Then these huge scams by so called friends with rep get bumped a week at most and most have forgotten about it in a few months time and it didn't seem big anyway because no one bumped it.
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.28 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Estella Vance
Originally by: Opfinder
Originally by: Curzon Dax
And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today.
Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever.
Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax
No isk back from Curzon and no begging from me. I would appreciate refund, but I won't drop on floor and cry for that.
''That's the mentality i like ... just say **** you curzon for being a little **** and this just proved your pvp stories probably where as fake as this **** you pulled here.Keep the isk you **** you'll need it to buy new friends just as with your money give away crap in dodixie.''
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.28 14:08:00 -
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Come on peole say names .. just stating 2 persons who possibly will scam is not enough to say told you so and you know it 
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.28 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kit Lowa
Well, I hate to say I told you so... no wait, I LOVE to say I told you so!! 
Lets go over this lesson AGAIN shall we: If the plan makes no sense then investing isk into it is stupid. Rep is irrelevant if the business plan is crap, and in this case it was freaking ridiculous. Curzon was often evasive and unclear yet most lapped it all up, just because his name was Curzon Dax. How many Ionia's, Fast Learner's, Ricdic's and Curzon's is it going to take?!
Funny this is your first post ever on any of the forums yet you say: i told you so?
Please link/quote me where you did ..
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.28 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hydroblunt
In all seriousness, how freaking stupid can you be to actually fall for that joke of a scam?
Hydro looking at the last posts i read from you and your own thread i would like to tell you ,
you are an annoying little ****.
And no i did not invest but i can still call you an annoying little **** untill the mods kick me out or retract this post.
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:33:00 -
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It's all just a bunch of trolling and bull**** that is going on.
Cosmoray stated his opinion, if that is enough for you to invest then it is you who is in fault for taking his opinion as a 100% scambuffer.I didn't invest you know why?Because i can think for my ****ing self.
Same goes for the yih topic.I did invest in it and 900 mille wich made me one of the biggest investors.I knew it was verry likely to be a scam but my ingame 'hatred' towards goons is big enough to take that risk for sure.Hell i'd probably do it again.
Yih can say he got a lot of isk , his thread shows he only got a few billion isk , so believe a scammer's word or the written word , i know what i would choose.BUT allthough i did invest there was not one moment when it was appearent that it was a scam that i held either VV or cosmoray responsible.Those who do are to epeened to acknowledge their own misjudgement.
And on that topic allmost everyone who is talking cosmoray down for missjudgement's on the forums lately are people who didn't invest in this offer or yih's.Hell most don't invest at all like hydroturt above.All they are here for is trolling and stroking their ego wich they can only do by talking others down.Easy to say: i told you so when the show's over ain't it?
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flakeys
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.30 17:26:00 -
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And here you are SO wrong.
Firstly it was not directed at you but that misses the point.After the yih incident there have been numerous posts with the same mentality as is thrown in here.
You think i am here to defend the 'person' cosmoray , well i am not.I do not know him , talked to him ingame never but only had 2 mails going out and coming in to/from him.
Most people who know me know how i am not a fan of MD rep to say the least.I defended A person who has been getting a lot of negative replies by either people who do not invest or people who did and then try to claim their missjudgement on someone else.
If you see this as a rant then that is your perspective.
I made the post to set straight what is bothering me since these comments i am talking about started.You say a lot of people follow the known MD people , well they learned a VERRY valuable lesson in this and in any past/future offer in wich they do so.
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