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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2009.09.18 09:35:00 -
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So, (and this is serf's parma, I am new and gallente) if the Minmatar would have a bit more focus on the shields (balancing shield and armor races) and the CPU cost of Shield transporters would lower (maybe lowering range or amount for balancing, maybe better amount so as to still be able to rep the faster Minmatar ships), the problem would be solved?
You'd get two types of gangs, shield and armor rep, but that promotes diversity a bit.
That said, maybe it is best that less Caldari and Minmatar ships are flown, the first are steel origami, the latter are wire and ducttape contraptions. 
(Insert jokes about toddler clay projects for the Gallente and Banana fetish for the Amarr ships)
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Alsyth
Astromechanica Maxima
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Alsyth on 18/09/2009 11:24:44
Well, I bet you'll have armor & shield fleets too.
Though not as effective as homogeneous fleets on paper, I'm pretty sure they could do well at the BIG fleet level.
Honestly, in a 100 vs 100 fleet battle, do you really think that the primary target get its 100 mates to remote him ? I doubt it.
In a 50 shield and 50 armor fleet (2 wings, one of each), I don't think remote will be really bad compared to an unmixed fleet, provided you organize a little so that shield tankers/reppers fly close, and so does rr ships pilots.
Besides, it would allow anyone to fly and fit the ship the way they are more effective with.
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AnKahn
Caldari
The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: AnKahn on 18/09/2009 12:37:35
 Originally by: Rodamus Zero
If this thread is really about Alliance PVP and fleet battles with the combination of Shield/Armor tanked ships and their RR counterparts...
Wait... no... your on about BSs... just BSs... and that in order to fight, they all need to armor tank to be, well, successful...
Youve got a Falcon... well ****, you know thats dead off the bat, as an FC you laugh at the pilot under your breath and hope "haha" he doesnt get primaried.
Youve got a armor tanking Raven... well, by your own words, you say that Ravens and Caldari ships in general are "auto-primary" so regardless if its shield or armor tanked, its gonna die.
So which is it? FCs needing an armor tanking capable ship for this so called "mandatory fleet", the seriousness of alliance pvp? or the fact you need to vent something on the forums about alliance warfare that you should deal with internally on your own first and set a benchmark, a milestone, an example to the rest of Eve to show this so called "mandatory fleet for 0.0 alliance"?
Should anything be done about a single race not being able to fit into your "mandatory fleet" of RR armor BSs?
Simple answer...
No
Adapt or Die (and Emo Rage Vent on the forums saying "I NEED THIS TO WIN!")
Simple answer, simple choice.
Edit-please notice I edited this post 
Insightful post. Nice to see actual PvPers weigh in. Perhaps the OP believes EVE may EVOLVE and was hoping the Caldari race might evolve also.
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AnKahn
Caldari
The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:55:00 -
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I agree with xxxak except for the part where he insults 99% of the posters  .
Maybe we can find the solution to the problem (Caldari BS don't fit into rr armor gangs) by imagining what a Caldari Tech III BS might be like.
If the races are at war perhaps they might steal each others technology. This makes sense and New Eden has been at war for a while. To use recent warfare examples the Allies might have fielded jet aircraft or the Japanese may have developed an atomic bomb.
So the Caldari might learn to effectively armor tank and create a hybrid BS that would be like a BS class Sacrilege for example.
Maybe the Caldari could design a ship around a new module, and area of effect POS like shield that reenforces the fleets shields significantly, effectively reducing incoming DPS. That would be a nice support role.
Insert your wild idea here for your own race's tech III BS.
Bottom line is as of now if you are Caldari and want to PvP at the BS level you must crosstrain. BS warefare I think is going to become more important in the coming years to support Cap ship battles, etc.
It should be possible for a character to remain "pure" Caldari and get in on this action.
So again I think the OP has a point.
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Industribute
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:20:00 -
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You know what. Your wrong.
There shouldn't be RR battle ships in the first place. Any decent fleet should fly with logistics ships.
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Suukovesta
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Posted - 2009.09.18 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Edited by: Ulstan on 17/09/2009 20:45:06
Originally by: Lili Lu
Did anyone read my post 72? My theory is there was a concern of monster tanks that could be created by huge local shield rep + lots of shield transfer buddies. It appears to me to be the reason for the cpu requirements on shield transfers.
Your post probably didn't garner many replies because it is so obviously wrong.
There is no such heavy fitting penalty to large remote armor repairers and they are just as effective as large remote shield transfers.
LST's are no more effective than LRAR's, and thus shouldn't have crippingly higher fitting costs.
If anything, Shield RR needs to be *better* than armor RR because of the built in bias towards armor RR since most BS tank armor, and also because the armor BS have more tanking slots than the shield BS.
You obviously have no clue.
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