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LittleTerror
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:03:00 -
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Theon Togenada wrote:In most games the player model is completely aesthetic and has no bearing on the world around him/her. I see people obsess over the character customization in games and wonder why... it really doesn't matter what YOU look like in a game. If you need eye-candy that bad in a game then something is wrong.
There is nothing wrong with us wanting our characters to look a certain way, they are meant to be an identity totally unrelated to our real life selves. I'm kind of guessing you're the type that can't keep it ingame and take things way to seriously and forgetting it is just a damn game and role playing a character is a part of it. |

Izziee
University of Izziee
58
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:12:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:To me it seems freakishly weird for a male to run around in a virtual universe with the identity of a hot looking woman...
Maybe it's just my upbringing in an older and now outdated world but it just seems to me like playing dress up on a Saturday night and trolling the seamier parts of town.
.... No offense to the irl TV community,,, carry on as you are in peace and love.
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Why do you run around a virtual universe with the identity of a freaky looking guy with ridiculous looking googles and a dumb tattoo on your face, I'll go out on a limb and pretty much assume as a fact you look nothing like that in real life.
And here you are talking about dressing up rofl.
Here's the deal, maybe, just MAYBE:-
Some of us are actually comfortable with our male sexuality Some of us realise this is a FANTASY game Some of us prefer looking at females all day Some of us don't try to "dress up" as a wannabe "badass" pilot. |

Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
230
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:16:00 -
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Just imagine a whole country being founded by someone who pretended to be a woman, what sort of a strange society would that turn out to be .... the name Silence Dogood ring any bells.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

Cierejai
State Protectorate Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:34:00 -
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Because I'm not a roleplayer and I don't try to emulate who I am in real life onto this character.
fakeedit: pretend I am posting on a female. |

Yolanta Geezenstack
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.06 12:47:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:To me it seems freakishly weird for a male to run around in a virtual universe with the identity of a hot looking woman...S
So, you look the same in rl as your avatar? And you fly around in spaceships all day, too?
My personal reason: To get some more undisturbed gaming hours from my wife when I play an avatar that reminds her on her younger self.  |

zindeen
Poor Old Ornery nOObs WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:10:00 -
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Well the way I look at it, I needed a face for my account, and I would rather look at a girl then a guy all day, but what ever floats your boat I guess. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1674
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:12:00 -
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I have one female character. Technically it is my wifes account so it is her character but she doesn't play it as much as I do. I believe that a persons choices on an avatar reflect the kind of person they are.
Basically if you choose to play a female character and you are a male in real life then deep down you are a woman and God made a mistake. =P lol EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |

Adaira Corada
ISK Training Enterprise
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:33:00 -
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Impressive debate. |

Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
237
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:56:00 -
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I find it really hard to understand how anyone could be bothered by it. Weird.
Speaking for myself, I know that while I was in the character creator making Barb, I was sort of making my ideal beauty, and it was fun to do - almost erotic in a way. Kind of like a mad scientist creating the ultimate female android of his dreams.
Is that bad and wrong?
Also, being a male, I prefer looking at women to looking at men. Is that bad and wrong?
Also, there's something sexy about "possessing" a female avatar. It's not that one feels female, it's that one is, in a way, worshipping the kick-ass female of one's dreams. Is that bad and wrong?
When I look at people who only make male toons and look at their toons' stoic, male, unshaven faces, I just laugh and think "boy, you're missing out on some fun to be had!" 
Now when it comes to serious roleplay, as in RP, roleplaying a woman is incredibly hard for me, and it's much easier to roleplay a male toon.
Also, the thought of leading some poor chump on, making them think I'm female irl, gives me the creeps, it's something I would never do.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
578
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:02:00 -
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Men choose female avatars to avoid having to deal with all the harassment and sleazy innuendos by female players. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt
Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
305
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:09:00 -
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It drives insecure people insane. |

Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
14
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:20:00 -
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I have one female character on my account. She takes care of the POS, organizes the corp hangars, researches bpo's, makes copies, etc. etc. She cleans up after the two male characters make a mess of everything.
This isn't too "Leave it to Beaver"ish, is it? |

Toxina Trooper
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:46:00 -
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Seishi Maru wrote: For me it seems extremely disturbing that someone would see its game avatar as an extension of him/herself. That is , at least for my eyes, a clear lack of self security and lack of clear perception of the world. That is a fantasy, and fantasies that you cannot separate from reality are mental disorders, not the other way around!
My main hobby is drawing, and i ma reasonably good at it. In my 12 years of drawing the thing I have drawn most are female faces, because they are beautiful and fascinate me! When I made my eve characters, not for a single moment I even tough on making a male avatar! The same way that in these 12 years I never ever wanted to draw an ugly male face!
Now If you think the picture that you have sculped with eve tools must represent something about your sexuality, then I am sorry for you, you might not notice it, but you DO have a problem! Lack of capability of separate yourself from the things you built in your life is not healthy. This is the type of person that buys an expensive sport car to parade it on street and thing they are better because of it. They accelerate very very fast with these cars on street and feel awesome because they think" I can go so fast!" while they are unable to understand that the merit on going fast is not theirs, its from the engineer that made the car! You are not your car, you are not your drawings, you are not a murderer when you play Grand thief auto, you are not your eve avatar!
If you cannot understand that, I feel sorry for you, because you are among the mass of mentally challenged people that is not even aware of your own surroundings and of yourself. ^^ |

Toxina Trooper
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:50:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote: A simple advice: Games are no dating platform. Don't care about the real gender of the other player.
Some people do. |

Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:51:00 -
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I do it because I enjoy these threads so much. The psychology of someone bothered by an avatar must be quite fascinating, or maybe repugnant. Possibly both.
Btw, if someone could play a robot, would you be confused as to whether or not the player was really a robot? |

Toxina Trooper
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:54:00 -
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Spineker wrote:There are what like 50 women play Eve? LOL
NO, only Mintchip and another one. |

Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:54:00 -
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Much ado over sausage. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |

Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
80
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:02:00 -
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To me it happens right as you create the character. We all know what kind of character we are creating and therefore we all partake in "roleplaying" in some shape or form.
The difference happens when some people create a "character" while other recreate "themselves".
For those who create a "character", gender is of little importance. They will generally go for the gender (if possible) that best suits the character. Gender choice becomes just another "attribute" as other visible parts like hair/size/clothing...
For those who recreate "themselves", gender is probably one of the biggest "requirements". With this mindset, creating a character with the opposite sex generates the issues described in the OP.
Keep in mind, none of the two styles of creating characters should be considered better than the other. Even I, depending on the situation/game/electronic medium, will use one or the other.
It boils down to whether some of us want to play as observers to a story or pretend we are inside the game.
For EVE, I prefer the observer style of gameplay and therefore do not feel gender choice has any effect on how I enjoy the game. Same thing when I watch a movie. |

Toxina Trooper
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:05:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Basically if you choose to play a female character and you are a male in real life then deep down you are a woman and God made a mistake. =P lol
Talk about this game and this thread with a psychiatrist, your opinions, and pay attention to what he says about you. |

Alayna Le'line
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:05:00 -
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I find it weird that this is a topic that keeps cropping up on various MMO boards.
The fact is that most of us don't "identify" with our characters the way these people see it. I "am" not "Alayna", she is her own identity. I don't see my characters as "me" but as "he/she/it", they're generally separate identities with different values and reasons for doing stuff than the "real me". If people only play characters that "are" them then I really worry about some of the people I've met in EVE (and other games). So if your characters aren't "you", how much of a stretch is it to play another gender as well?
I guess a lot of people are worried about being seen as female by others or some such bullshit, I can tell you from years of experience that there might be some desperate men like that (never ran into any) but the vast majority of the MMO population doesn't give a rat's ass about what gender you play. Because it doesn't matter, we're here to play a game, not find a bloody date (though one of my mates did manage just that, doubt it had anything to do with his "sexy" undead avatar though)
For some it might have something to do with having something nice to look at, but really that's far from everyone's reason to pick a female avatar. Hell I knew a gay guy while playing WoW who played female characters, I'm pretty sure it wasn't because his avatar turned him on...
Personally I no longer care which gender I play (I used to, got over it a long time ago), I tend to pick a race based on a set of criteria and then I check which gender looks "better" to me based on the default we get presented (might hit "randomize all" a few times) and the names I have in mind. |

Alayna Le'line
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:07:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:To me it happens right as you create the character. We all know what kind of character we are creating and therefore we all partake in "roleplaying" in some shape or form.
The difference happens when some people create a "character" while other recreate "themselves".
For those who create a "character", gender is of little importance. They will generally go for the gender (if possible) that best suits the character. Gender choice becomes just another "attribute" as other visible parts like hair/size/clothing...
For those who recreate "themselves", gender is probably one of the biggest "requirements". With this mindset, creating a character with the opposite sex generates the issues described in the OP.
Keep in mind, none of the two styles of creating characters should be considered better than the other. Even I, depending on the situation/game/electronic medium, will use one or the other.
It boils down to whether some of us want to play as observers to a story or pretend we are inside the game.
For EVE, I prefer the observer style of gameplay and therefore do not feel gender choice has any effect on how I enjoy the game. Same thing when I watch a movie.
What he says (beat me to it by like 3 minutes ) |

Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:10:00 -
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Svarek wrote:Hey, hey, hey, let's not get nasty about this. Obviously everyone has different views on the subject, which is natural and cool and interesting, because we're all human beings. I'd be worried if we were all the same. I didn't see anyone bashing anyone for anything to begin with, so there's no reason to continue being pissy about the way some people approach it.
The straight guy says he feels that gay people are missing out because girls are awesome. Anything wrong with that? Of course he'd feel that way.
A gay person might feel the exact opposite way about the same straight guy, but since he's gay, it's natural he'd feel that way.
Each person is bound to have a different viewpoint, and each one isn't inherently right. Some things might work for some people and others for others, since we all think and relate to things entirely differently. I hope this isn't big news.
And people all have their reasons for picking avatars. Some peoples' avatars are simply discrete characters - so gender doesn't matter so much to them, because the avatar isn't a representation of the person at the keyboard, it's a digital fictional character who is an egger. And that's cool. And for some, it's a digital representation, so they make the avatar look like themselves, or how they'd like to look, and act like they would in real life. That's also cool.
Me personally, I have a male as a main and then a secondary female pirate. She's a distinct character from me and myself, but my main is my "space persona," you might say. (Something like Tricia McMillan becoming Trillian.) And hey, if your space persona or character or whatever ends up being female, that's awesome, as long as you're okay with it and it works for you. That doesn't mean much of anything about your gender or sexuality or what-the-hell-ever, as there's infinite different ways humans relate to these kinds of things. If you have experience in theatre, you probably know a bit of what I'm talking about.
Mine just happens to be male because I'm a guy and I think it's cool to be a guy (though I think girls are cool too), and I can most easily relate to flying around in a spaceship with my center of bodily mass lower than a female's. And yet I have a distinct female character who also flies around, she just shoots a lot more.
I figure I'll just drop this post in here. Wrote it last night in response to a thread that spun off of this one and got locked because people were being daft (as you can probably extrapolate from a few comments). Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |

Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
274
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:13:00 -
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I have just one question....what is an egger? You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |

Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:17:00 -
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Slang for a pod pilot. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
107
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:20:00 -
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Svarek wrote:I figure I'll just drop this post in here. Wrote it last night in response to a thread that was a Rip-off of this one and got locked because people were being daft (as you can probably extrapolate from a few comments).
Fixed that for you.
Also the quoted post was a good one. Thanks.
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
2404

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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:05:00 -
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whenever I drop by in the Help chat most people think I'm a guy, so I guess everybody just assumes all characters, male or female, are men! CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Programmer | @CCP_Punkturis |
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:08:00 -
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"The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are undercover FBI agents." Pew Pew Pew! |

Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
5
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:13:00 -
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Cutout Man wrote:I create alts randomly. Random race, gender, and customization options. Except this one. Needed the hood for the name.
Do you also let them have a random name? |

Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
64
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:14:00 -
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I try to make my charachter look like me a bit. Limited by the editor, but it is as close as I could get it |

Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
519
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:47:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:whenever I drop by in the Help chat most people think I'm a guy, so I guess everybody just assumes all characters, male or female, are men!
I know how you feel...  CCP failed to list me as a female when I ran for CSM despite what my Identification Indicated.
Anyway, I choose a female avatar for a number of reasons.
Reason 1: I am "GenderQueer" and as such do not fit in the binary gender system that society has perpetuated. Aesthetically I am far more female in appearance than I am male. So I figured I would go with something that at least looks like me.
Reason 2: Due to the very limited hair options, keeping my gallente female after the new models came out was a logical decision. Gallente males only have 1 hair style that is long and it's freaking dreads.
Reason 3: I often become deeply immersed in EVE, to the point where if my main character is not something I identify with I am unable to enjoy it as much as if it did resemble me.
Once I find some free time (and Money), I plan to buy Maya 2012 and get to work on exporting the entirety of my eve character Xenuria. The end goal being giving her all the things CCP neglected too. I feel that making a few renders of my eve character in the buff (with the additional equipment) will help deepen the emotional bond with it and in turn make the gameplay experience that much richer. The Future of GoonSwarm |
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