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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:11:00 -
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I've recently been looking back at the killboards of SKNK's incursion griefing victims. With roughly 250 kills it's too tedious to put together real numbers, but I have seen one remarkable trend...
I'd estimate that maybe 100 of our former targets had a history in nullsec or w-space prior to our encounter in a highsec incursion. Following their loss to our gank fleet...nothing, until the past month. A remarkable number of those characters have resumed activities in dangerous space and reentered the realm of PVP...apparently because of the incursion nerf. When the isk faucet was slowed down, they went back to doing what they did before.
This tells me two things. First, the incursioners were lying when they said "it's about the community!" Obviously not. The community didn't get nerfed and the payout is still decent. It's just not the crazy-high rewards of six months ago. No, it's become quite plain that it was never about community. It was about isk. And second, incursions were indeed drawing players away from other environments. Couple that with what we've learned about the priority of most of the people running incursions, and you realize that incursions were indeed bad for Eve. They drew people out of corporations and alliances solely to tap the isk faucet.
The incursion nerf has simply restored things to their previous state. I'm in favor of it staying just as it is. Let those who actually value the community continue running incursions. Let those who want an isk faucet chase it in place that provide risk along with the reward.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:25:00 -
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Mazzy Star wrote:To be fair, no one in their right mind is going to do group content that pays the same or less per hour than equivalent solo content.
Then you and I play games for completely different reasons.
Mazzy Star wrote:There's a lot more hassle (read: downtime when you aren't earning ISK) involved in getting to incursions, finding a fleet, waiting on the fleet to fill up, finding a new fleet when that one disbands, and so on. If you can pull in equivalent money in level 4 missions without all the downtime and hassle, who in their right mind would stick with Incursions? That doesn't mean people didn't enjoy the community aspect of it.
So quit playing pickup fleets and get a regular group together. I fly with the same half-dozen people every day. We're consistently on and consistently working together. Why can't you get that sort of activity for incursions? Why do you have to FIND a fleet?
Mazzy Star wrote:It's also worth recognizing that Incursion PVE content was at least more interesting than ratting anoms and the like in Null sec, and a lot of people used incursions to fund their PVP and to do so in a way that was more involved than other forms of PVE. I would not consider more involved and more interesting content to be "bad" for Eve because it drew some people away from mindless ratting and missioning by themselves. Surely you aren't suggesting that pulling people away from high sec missions to do more involved PVE content is "bad" for Eve.
If the content is that much more interesting than solo ratting and missions, then why did everyone bail out?
Because they were there for the isk. Not for the content, not for the community, they were there purely to get in on the gold rush. This nerf has stripped away the veneer they put up. The past high level of incursion activity were based almost solely on greed. Which is fine by me, except that so many people denied that fact for months prior to the nerfs.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:20:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Doesn't matter obviously Soundwave totally destroyed the system with his shortsighted sledgehammer of nerfdom. He had to placate his buddies down in Nullpeen.
It's not destroyed. Incursions still work and you can still make decent isk at them. It's just that the beancounters of Eve who never cared about community abandoned it at the first sign of trouble.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:38:00 -
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Err...are you confusing him with me?
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:35:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:May 15th was the first mid month date ater the Incursion NERF June 15th is the second & the day I'm considering unsubbing
You're going to unsub because you can't make isk as easily as you used to? Have you considered other options? There are a lot of cool things to do in Eve. If you lack the creativity to get out and find your own way, maybe Eve isn't for you. I hear there are other MMOs that will provide you with instanced on-demand PVE content where no one can interfere and it's easy to put together a group of like-minded carebears.
It would only be fitting that you give me your stuff before you go. After all, I was a part in the efforts to raise awareness about the absurd level of high sec incursion income from the beginning.
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