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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:24:00 -
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This is your big chance
zero risk
almost zero skill needed
can do it in a noob frigate
costs nothing to do
huge payoff
****es everybody off
wastes everybodies time (read: money they spend to play eve)
Sure to get you flamed all over the local chats (insta infamy woooo nice...)
zero risk
zero risk
etc...
It's called ninja salvaging. Start today - Before you know it you'll have enough isk to buy all those things you can't use yet.
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On a regular basis people get lvl4 missions against enemy faction ships. They get no bounty and have to spend half an hour popping 30 BS just to finish the mission and make 2mil isk and a bit of LP. You on the other hand stand to make up to 20mil. Maybe more! And you can even do it while their busy with the mission! Right in their face! Sounds good eh... You can even take the tags!
Suggested fix A
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Allow people to booby trap their wrecks. Specialised small drone that has this sole function. They turn red for everybody who does not have right to your wrecks. Allow people to give access to wrecks to other players (irriversible) so that you can sell the right to salvage them to noobs.
Suggested fix B
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Deployable item that scrambles the frequency at which the salvage scanners operate over a wide area. Unless you have the scrambling pattern.
Suggested fix C
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Take away these missions where you don't get bounty or add bounty rewards for them. Or since they are against faction ships give LP. Give something.
Suggested fix D
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Allow people to decline missions against faction ships as many times as they like with no penalty. I mean their not worth my time as it is. I feel as if I'm a little mother hen making wrecks for noobs when I get them.
Suggested fix E
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If CCP does not like people who mission/mine then make it less profitable. Or take the option away completely. Make everything low and 0sec while you are at it.
If you can't find an idea there then something is wrong. !!But by God please make the game more balanced by disallowing noobs to make the type of isk you usually have to train very hard to make.!! I can't abide by it. Just please put in a mechanism whereby people can do something about it. I mean why drop wrecks in the first place for a kill? Who is it for? I would just love to get some kind of figures on how much total isk is stolen in this sanctioned daylight robbery racket. There's a theme for your next economic report... How much exploits cost paying players. Oh! Not to mention that it cost the ones who have been paying the longest the most!
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Hashimoto Hoshiko
Caldari
Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:27:00 -
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1. This is in the wrong forum. Suggested changes should be taken up via the CSM.
2. Standby for incoming trolls telling you how much you suck for complaining.
3. This is not a new idea you have in this thread. Learn to use search.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:29:00 -
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Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.
Zymurgist
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CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:31:00 -
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Just shut up and play the game, jeez its like a women with permaperiods
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:37:00 -
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You imply there is something I must learn. OK teach me dude. What do I not know? What can you do when somebody salvages your wrecks?
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:37:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.
Mate, don't u sleep.
P.s make urself useful and take tht 5 minute crap off
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Gibbo3771 on 20/09/2009 18:45:58
Originally by: Sq7
You imply there is something I must learn. OK teach me dude. What do I not know? What can you do when somebody salvages your wrecks?
U do nothing, warp in and out like a banshee and he will get annoyed with the rat aggro, there is seriously no reason to change this, wrecks in space belong to NOONE, if u even bothered to check the forums before posting u would realise this has been discussed like a hundred times in 6 month.
Since its in the ideas area
UNSUPPORTED, mechanics working as intended and working fine
Edit : Also, Golom (sp), salvage on the go, get a salvage alt, 2 good ideas
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sq7
You imply there is something I must learn. OK teach me dude. What do I not know? What can you do when somebody salvages your wrecks?
1. You can shoot them for salvaging your wreck. Of course, that's basically the same as shooting a homeless person for rooting through the McDonalds bag you just threw in the trash, so you should be prepared for law enforcement to intervene.
2. CCP has stated repeatedly that ninja salvaging isn't an exploit, but a valid tactic.
3. Fit a salvager, and salvage your own wrecks first.
You also seem to be under the mistaken impressions that the wrecks are yours. The loot belongs to you, unrealistically, through the sheer benevolence of CCP, even though it makes no sense.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:49:00 -
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Also ur subject is super spazticated, have fun
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:54:00 -
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Yeah. I've warped in and out at times if they start salvaging while the mission is on. It's annoying as hell. To me too. If they start salvaging while the mission is on. My main peev here is the missions where you get no bounty. I should have made that clearer,but I thought it was obvious. I've practically told ninja salvagers to take all they can get. I've often raced them to see who salvages the most. It's just 30minutes faction ammo waste for no bounty that annoys me in the end. I play the game. I enjoy it a lot. Let me make that clear please before I say that I don't get as much time to play the game as I would like to. I don't want to waste time I spend playing Eve. And 30mins of missioning for almost no reward is a definite waste of my time.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:00:00 -
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I have an idea....... missions suck, have real fun, steal, scam, ninja salvage, loot fairy, suicide, add **** in there if ur into tht.
Other words, do what he's doing to u, make profit out of someone's effort and misery.
Just please stop whining before I make it my sole duty to run a locator on u, drink lots of coffees and ninja, smack and **** ur ass 7 days a week 23 hours a day
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:00:00 -
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Plus one of the reasons I don't want to waste my isk making time is to buy a marauder so that i can salvage on the go.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:06:00 -
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Note tht ur a bad at eve and I win eve coz my ALLIACE IS AWESOM
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:14:00 -
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If u haven't made at least a bill by the time u can do high quality lvl4 s and fly a golem with lvl5 core skills and at least lvl4 on support skills ur doing it wrong
If u want rid of the ninjas , donate 100mil to my wallet, ill come to ur lvl4 hub, war Dec every possible ninja and keep them at bay , I can assist ur salvaging aswell but obv ill need a collateral to get this arranged 100 mil,
Get back
Gib
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:17:00 -
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S cr ew it. I'm just going to start declining missions against faction targets. I'll take the hit if it will just mean I get something for my time. Since it is obviously a "valid noob tactic" for making some well deserved isk what can I do? Homeless people scraping through the trashcan my ass :D They make almost as much as I do. It's more profitable than mining. I would put them down in a second if I was allowed to. With a big mofo smile and a nice thank you for the salty **** note. I mean if I find a bum shaking down my kitchen bin I'll friggen take out my baseball bat and dent his head in.
Ninja salvaging you do in a frigate or intercepter class ship. Maybe a dessy. And you have no offensive if you do it.
LVL4 missions you do in a BS. I could instapop a typical ninja salvager at 60km.
If they can't afford an afterburner and a cloaking device then their doing it wrong.
So the most realistic thing in my mind would be to allow salvaging, but to force them to be careful about it. Or to do it in a marauder like people suggest I should use for missions. They can certainly afford them in no time if they work a bit at it. Question is if they will be able to fly them of course...
Forget 10 or 15 minutes aggression countdown. Just a simple 1 minute killright. That's all I need ;)
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:23:00 -
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You can't wardec noob corps... >_< As I already stated I would love podding them repeatedly. Plus a marauder alone is no good. If you are a serious mission runner you need a good fit and good ammo. It all costs isk.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:25:00 -
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U need to get it in ur head tht its never gonna change, stop posting s continue carebearing
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sq7
You can't wardec noob corps... >_< As I already stated I would love podding them repeatedly. Plus a marauder alone is no good. If you are a serious mission runner you need a good fit and good ammo. It all costs isk.
Correction, a good mission runner needs dedication, deadspace golem fit, dedicated salvaged with t2 salvagers and t2 rigs. Lol @ good ammo
Yeah u can't wardec but u can suicide them,
Also there isent reli such a thing as a serious mission runners, there called macros, u should totally get one so u can get banned and stop biatchin
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:40:00 -
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And it must mean something that I have core elite, turret control elite, max learning and practically max social, hybrid, armor tanking, hybrid weapon, navigation and damn good drone skills. Don't forget the faction fit. And the megathron is a valid lvl4 mission ship. I prove it everytime I destroy a 1.2mil BS in 15 volleys. Who said marauders are the alpha and omega of doing missions properly? I must have missed the memo.
It all takes a lot of time. And you really have to know how to fit a ship properly to do it. These ninja salvagers are a disgrace to the idea that getting anything in Eve takes work. Only fly what you are willing to lose and losing a ship will hurt anyway right? Sure I can train up my science skills and make 150mil a month plus from doing nothing, that's coming, but I do missions now. I was in a shagtastic corp in a friggen epic alliance in fountain. They replaced practically any BS you lose during fights free of charge. I just don't have the time to play the 0sec game anymore. I barely have time for missions. But I still enjoy doing something. I just don't like doing missions for somebody else.
Not gonna change. Say what you will.
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:59:00 -
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BTW... When was the last time you tried to tractor beam somebody else' wrecks or shoot them in empire? "Wrecks don't belong to anybody" something does not compute here.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.09.20 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sq7
I mean if I find a bum shaking down my kitchen bin I'll friggen take out my baseball bat and dent his head in.
Yes. And my point is that unless you can later prove in a court of law that you had legitimate reason to believe that he was endangering your life, you're going to be charged with murder, moron.
Hence the fact that CONCORD attacks people who shoot at ninja salvagers.
Originally by: Sq7
BTW... When was the last time you tried to tractor beam somebody else' wrecks or shoot them in empire? "Wrecks don't belong to anybody" something does not compute here.
Your right, I totally agree. Ideally, loot ownership would be removed entirely as well.
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 20:25:00 -
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Yeah sure. Remove loot ownership completely. I dare CCP to do that. It'll be fun to see a great game being dismantled to allow noobs to make a quick 10 million every few minutes. Also... I dare you to come shake down my kitchen bin. You'll be hurting I promise and I'll get away with it. You don't kill intruders. Are you mad?! You just kinda gently bruise them. Maybe break a bone or two.
"I couldn't see well. I thought he was holding one of my designer steak knives". My house bro.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.09.20 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sq7
Yeah sure. Remove loot ownership completely. I dare CCP to do that. It'll be fun to see a great game being dismantled to allow noobs to make a quick 10 million every few minutes.
It wouldn't dismember the game at all. Although mission runners would throw screaming fits when it was implemented, it would be a more realistic mechanic. It would rather encourage Mission runners to loot FASTER.
Originally by: Sq7
Also... I dare you to come shake down my kitchen bin. You'll be hurting I promise and I'll get away with it. You don't kill intruders. Are you mad?! You just kinda gently bruise them. Maybe break a bone or two.
"I couldn't see well. I thought he was holding one of my designer steak knives". My house bro.
Well your last post said you were going to "dent their head", which is usually fatal. Beyond that, I have no idea why your babbling on about me coming to your house. You do realize that this could be construed as a thread to "break a bone or two" of mine, and get you banned, right?
You should try being more thoughtful in your posts. Your wildly exaggerating the effect making loot a free-for-all would have, and posting things that could be interpreted as threats is not wise.
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 20:43:00 -
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Really if we are to seriously start talking solutions then CCP should not allow it, but require noob salvagers to bookmark wrecks to salvage them after the deadspace rooms collapse once the mission runner has completed the mission. Fair enough I don't know if wrecks still remain post mission, but they used to. That would be an honest way for a noob to make good isk in empire. I would even go as far as making the bookmarks myself for missions I don't feel like salvaging and then to trade the bookmarks to people for free when I'm back in the station. I'm basically a nice guy believe me.
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 20:51:00 -
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K cool. I see what you are saying. And I apologize sincerely if you took it as a threat. I was trying to make a point. I was not saying I want to break your bones. I was trying to point out that in the lawful places of the world (and ideally in the lawful places of Eve) people can't just take your stuff. And if the law said that they can people would stop caring about having stuff and the economy would collapse. Eve hardly compares to real life in this regard anyway. In real life thank goodness when a bum arrives in your house and starts taking things all you have to do is call the cops and hopefully sooner rather than later they will arrive and the bum will spend a night in jail. And if your luck holds you'll get your stuff back.
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Lear Hepburn
Caldari
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
The Transcendent
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Posted - 2009.09.20 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sq7
You imply there is something I must learn. OK teach me dude. What do I not know? What can you do when somebody salvages your wrecks?
They're not your wrecks.
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General Paul
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.20 21:15:00 -
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Hmm, the solution for your problem exists, mission in lowsec.
Reasons why this is a good idea
1)it will encourage you to play with other living breathing people for protection and comeraderie
2)it will give you greater rewards as lowsec missions tend to be much higher Quality and higher lvl of space
3)if any ne'r do well noob ship comes into your lowsec or 0.0 mission you are able to and encouraged to belt the living daylights out of him.
Basically your problem here isn't the guy coming into your mission and interacting with you (this is an MMO after all) its the unrealistically competant actions of concord.
Pls change thread to 'ban concord' as they dissuade from teamplay and co-operation, rewards those doing unjust things, don't stop ganking or macro mining and are generally too big for their boots.
Hope that helped
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Uronksur Suth
It wouldn't dismember the game at all. Although mission runners would throw screaming fits when it was implemented, it would be a more realistic mechanic. It would rather encourage Mission runners to loot FASTER.
What are you on dude? I want some of that! The only reason I can think of saying something like that is that you are not personally affected by this problem. Either that or you are a noob who would love to be able to make more isk you can't use.
Dodixi... 0.9 space. If I ganged up with somebody and so much as one of their small scout drones looked wrong at one of my wrecks then they will get CONCORDOKENNED in 10seconds flat. Something tells me the wrecks belongs to the guy that did the killing. Even in 0sec you are not allowed to tractor another corp's wrecks. Why in 0sec I honestly do not know. Maybe the wrecks are magically anchored to that point in space and time. So that mechanism does not make sense to me at all either. Not even in empire.
I can't honestly say this whole business has a huge effect on the game. I still make damned good isk, but seriously. Did somebody bribe CONCORDE or something? And if they did. Hell yeah! That would make sense. At least it'll cost something to do and have more of a strategic side to it. But calling it an actual tactic is laughable. That's like saying raiding Willy Wonka's magical chocolate factory is a "tactic".
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Sq7
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Posted - 2009.09.20 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: General Paul
Hmm, the solution for your problem exists, mission in lowsec.
1)it will encourage you to play with other living breathing people for protection and comeraderie
2)it will give you greater rewards as lowsec missions tend to be much higher Quality and higher lvl of space
3)if any ne'r do well noob ship comes into your lowsec or 0.0 mission you are able to and encouraged to belt the living daylights out of him.
Hope that helped
I'm going to turn that on you. The solution lies in forcing noob salvagers to actually train some decent skills and buy decent ships. If they are still inclined towards PvP then they can then join a good lowsec or 0sec corp.
1)it will encourage them to play with other living breathing people for protection and comeraderie
2)it will give them greater rewards, because there is arguably more money in doing missions and salvaging/looting them than in doing missions only.
3)and then... if any ne'r do well noob ship comes into their empire, lowsec or 0.0 mission you are able to and encouraged to belt the living daylights out of him.
Pls open a thread entitled 'ban ninja salvagers' as it encourages perfectly good PvP oriented people to solo around in empire. And yeah sure. Ban macro runners I totally agree with that.
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General Paul
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.20 21:35:00 -
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I think these guys stealing your lewts are actually 0.0 or lowsec folk (or maybe even other mission runner in the same system as you) who are bored with the monotony of their career in eve, and fancy taking that out on someone else.
All I know if that for what you seem to be saying I think you would love lowsec missioning, (perhaps in Ziriert with CVA friendly factions)
It would seem to solve your problem entirely and without having to effect the game in any way.
After all every patch or code change to eve is a big undertakeing and we all know there are a few bugs pop up from time to time.
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