~nullbears~

what the **** does that even mean

I think I invented the term while sperging. Essentially, it's a nullsec resident who sits in their POS or outpost whenever a red appears in local, and spends the rest of their time ratting, running complexes or mining. Also whines whenever anything happens to nullsec. A nullsec carebear.

Also - OP? Quit whining. Ain't nobody got time for dat.

I think I invented the term while sperging. Essentially, it's a nullsec resident who sits in their POS or outpost whenever a red appears in local, and spends the rest of their time ratting, running complexes or mining. Also whines whenever anything happens to nullsec. A nullsec carebear.

~nullbears~

what the **** does that even mean

this word is shortcut of goonswarm member who "pvp" in empire suicide killing miners and getting reimbursed by alliance.

Either fix the war dec formula so if people like goons and so on want to have a high sec campaign they should be persona non grataGǪ every high sec corp should be war decced with them and have it cost effectiveGǪ

Or if the csm is right and high sec should be reasonably safe then just increase the PG of the hulk so it can fit a LSE

Make harder hits for sec status for suicide ganks and make it so someone with negative sec status cant use an orca to reshipGǪ

Common CCP this hypocrisy is nauseating!

In the eyes of CCP miners have no right being in high sec and they should be forced to move to null sec Gǣwhere its supposed to be safe?GǥGǪ

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How can it on one hand be unfair to have cheep war dec costs because of the perception that it would be unfair to nullbears due to having high sec no longer be GǣsafeGǥGǪ when the same people say that miners should be targeted and harassed because they have no right to be safe in high sec?

its definition has expanded to "anyone who lives in nullsec"

lmao

this is true due to coalition blocks and isk faucets pvp in null sec is like sisi for everyone else... there is zero risk for loosing your regular ships...

plus things like hulkageddon actually pay for goons reinbursment program...

this is not true for everyone else who plays the game either in faction null sec or the rest of space...

at least in WH space it takes some effort to get ships there...

lmao we can't get a GSF member in the top10 list for hulkageddon and you think we're doing the ganking

Forget having to pay attention
Forget setting your hulk's tank up properly
Forget mining in groups
Forget using logistics cruisers
Forget mining in battleships
Forget moving to lowsec or nullsec
Forget mining in cheaper T1 barges

Instead, CCP please change the game so I don't have to do anything different.

Thx.

this is only measurement of your success and "pvp-skill"

which doesn't decline your "nullbear-ness"

The measurement of an alliance's success is its ability to take space and defend it. The alliance you are in, a faded shadow of its former self, failed miserably at this when Insmother fell. On the other hand, when we faced an invasion, we promptly trapped the hostile supercaps in their staging towers and destroyed all of the progress they had made up until that point.

So please tell me more about "measures of success"

laff

The measurement of an alliance's success is its ability to take space and defend it. The alliance you are in, a faded shadow of its former self, failed miserably at this when Insmother fell.

laff

this is only measurement of your success and "pvp-skill"

which doesn't decline your "nullbear-ness"

there's about 60 hisec corps/alliances that have figured out how to wardec us for free

really i thought it was get former members of said alliance to join corp that makes game and then design game mechanics that allow you to have unlimited money and make it so no one can start from scartch and eliminate you...

Technetium was made the bottleneck mineral in Dominion, when we held Delve, which does not have any tech moons.

What prevents anybody from "starting from scratch and eliminating us?"

anyways, I agree with MeBiatch

CCP, turn all of highsec into 0.0 space so that all highsec carebears get access to our super-safe riskfree 'isk faucets'

our super-safe riskfree 'isk faucets'

'isk faucets'

Technetium was made the bottleneck mineral in Dominion, when we held Delve, which does not have any tech moons.

What prevents anybody from "starting from scratch and eliminating us?"

you guys were given your current region when TRI mark whatever died by the former NC...

right and the same could be said for local in 0.0...

pretty much you can do a ring sanctum in your nyx half asleep while watching **** and never die...

either high sec is not safe for all or its semi safe for most...

its the double standard that currently exists that makes it unbalanced...

wait is an npc forum alt coward poster seriously complaining about others having wardec immunity?

Vindicator - 1.64 Billion

lost to rats ahahahahaha

His main is in UDEAD

Either fix the war dec formula so if people like goons and so on want to have a high sec campaign they should be persona non grataGǪ every high sec corp should be war decced with them and have it cost effectiveGǪ

There's a difference between opposition to Hulkageddon Infinity and opposition to ganking in general. The two are discussed here as if they're the same thing, and they're not. I don't think players should be allowed to organize perpetual events that encourage the demonization of a class of players who are trying to enjoy the game in their own way.

. I don't think players should be allowed to organize perpetual events that encourage the demonization of a class of players who are trying to enjoy the game in their own way..

So CCP should have stepped in to halt every major war in the history of Eve then?

There is a great cry among the miner community due to the fact that they are being griefed and its encouraged from CCPGǪ

In the eyes of CCP miners have no right being in high sec and they should be forced to move to null sec Gǣwhere its supposed to be safe?GǥGǪ

But look how the CSM has manipulated their position when it comes to the war dec formulaGǪ

Apparently if you have more peeps in your corp/alliance it should be more expensive to war dec you!??!?!?

Yes you read that right! In the eyes of CCP large nullbears alliances should be aloud to roam free in highsec without having to worry about being killedGǪ

How can it on one hand be unfair to have cheep war dec costs because of the perception that it would be unfair to nullbears due to having high sec no longer be GǣsafeGǥGǪ when the same people say that miners should be targeted and harassed because they have no right to be safe in high sec?

Either fix the war dec formula so if people like goons and so on want to have a high sec campaign they should be persona non grataGǪ every high sec corp should be war decced with them and have it cost effectiveGǪ

Or if the csm is right and high sec should be reasonably safe then just increase the PG of the hulk so it can fit a LSE

Make harder hits for sec status for suicide ganks and make it so someone with negative sec status cant use an orca to reshipGǪ

Common CCP this hypocrisy is nauseating!

I wouldn't class shooting unarmed mining ships as a war tbh ??

Tal

Yes you read that right! In the eyes of CCP large nullbears alliances should be aloud to roam free in highsec without having to worry about being killedGǪ

Yup. That hall of shame is a comedy goldmine.

The issue with the war dec formula is just another example of the CCP disconnect between what they believe wardecs should be used for (legal PvP between entities in highsec), and what they're actually being used for (griefing small and/or industrial corps). The claim 'more people in a corp means more targets, and that's what you're paying for' sounds good on paper, but since most wardecs are intended for minimum-risk griefing and easy kills it doesn't hold water in the real EVE.

i lost a coercer to rogue drones in a scanned site.. oh woe was that a depressing day... lol

Agree with the OP

+1 like.

Dear OP.

Look in the current wars tab under corporation in alliance you don't like. Find a current war where the "null bear alliance" you do not like is the aggressor. Offer to help the defender as an ally. Well done free war against any "null bear alliance" .

As always it is very difficult to create a system that supports legal PvP in a one-size-fits-all manner, as people have different playstyles, needs and expectations. With the changes currently in the pipeline we do realize that wars become a bit more hardcore and harder to avoid. But the line that is being drawn in the sand here is that if youGÇÖre in a player run corporation, then war is something you must be prepared to tackle.
The ally system and the surrender with enforced peace do give options beside just duking it out (or docking for a week), but if you absolutely do not want to be war decced, then the only option right now is to be in a NPC corp. This is not an optimal solution and we might iterate here in the future, but this is the direction weGÇÖre taking right now.

"I can pay half of the working class to kill the other half"

I wish I could fly around null sec risk free. What skills do I need to train for that?

There is a great cry among the miner community due to the fact that they are being griefed and its encouraged from CCPGǪ

In the eyes of CCP miners have no right being in high sec and they should be forced to move to null sec Gǣwhere its supposed to be safe?GǥGǪ

But look how the CSM has manipulated their position when it comes to the war dec formulaGǪ

Apparently if you have more peeps in your corp/alliance it should be more expensive to war dec you!??!?!?

Yes you read that right! In the eyes of CCP large nullbears alliances should be aloud to roam free in highsec without having to worry about being killedGǪ

How can it on one hand be unfair to have cheep war dec costs because of the perception that it would be unfair to nullbears due to having high sec no longer be GǣsafeGǥGǪ when the same people say that miners should be targeted and harassed because they have no right to be safe in high sec?

Either fix the war dec formula so if people like goons and so on want to have a high sec campaign they should be persona non grataGǪ every high sec corp should be war decced with them and have it cost effectiveGǪ

Or if the csm is right and high sec should be reasonably safe then just increase the PG of the hulk so it can fit a LSE

Make harder hits for sec status for suicide ganks and make it so someone with negative sec status cant use an orca to reshipGǪ

Common CCP this hypocrisy is nauseating!

Given Sudden Buggery was, and this is confirmed, the first corp to lay out and accept an assist in a wardec, I can tell you, a 15 v 50 turned into a 15 v 450 pretty damn quickly once everyone realised you could join wars for free, as long as you were prepared to stick it out till the aggressor decided it was too much of a PITA.

The measurement of an alliance's success is its ability to take space and defend it. The alliance you are in, a faded shadow of its former self (which was a shadow of its former self as well, ~heh~), failed miserably at this when Insmother fell. On the other hand, when we faced an invasion, we promptly trapped the hostile supercaps in their staging towers and destroyed all of the progress they had made up until that point.

So please tell me more about "measures of success"

laff

~nullbears~

what the **** does that even mean

Look at this Nullbear talking like he's got some war stories to share. He hasn't ganked a high sec industrialist in over a year. Keep talking Darth Failbear. Take that stupid hood off or go back to Nerds of the Old Republic

I love suggesting "turn all of highsec into 0.0 so everyone will be supersafe like you say" in these whine threads because I get to watch the OP immediately slink away and abandon the thread every time.

Quit corp

Reimbursement programs only cover PvP losses and are meant to encourage members to reship and get back into fights rather than spending 4 hours ratting up ISK for a new ship; the assets (moons) used to fund reimbursement programs are generally gained through, well, PvP

hope this helps

But anyone could just kill you then.

Except those Providence people, I hear they don't shoot neutrals on sight...

GÇó Ally contracts have fixed length of two weeks
GÇó Allies can not be part of mutual wars GÇô defender cannot hire allies into mutual wars and existing ally contracts are cancelled (with a 24 hour grace period)
GÇó Cap on War Dec cost GÇô it will never have a base price of more than 500 mill regardless of corp/alliance membership (still affected by the number of wars you have declared)
GÇó New UI control for War options in war lists
GÇó Added cost for hiring multiple allies for a war GÇô hiring more than one ally now incur a cost that goes to CONCORD. The cost rises exponentially the more allies are hired into the same war.

hate to say i told you so... but

the results are the same its just the methods that have changed...

I was aroused and confused

There is a great cry among the miner community due to the fact that they are being griefed and its encouraged from CCPGǪ

In the eyes of CCP miners have no right being in high sec and they should be forced to move to null sec Gǣwhere its supposed to be safe?GǥGǪ

But look how the CSM has manipulated their position when it comes to the war dec formulaGǪ

Apparently if you have more peeps in your corp/alliance it should be more expensive to war dec you!??!?!?

Yes you read that right! In the eyes of CCP large nullbears alliances should be aloud to roam free in highsec without having to worry about being killedGǪ

How can it on one hand be unfair to have cheep war dec costs because of the perception that it would be unfair to nullbears due to having high sec no longer be GǣsafeGǥGǪ when the same people say that miners should be targeted and harassed because they have no right to be safe in high sec?

Either fix the war dec formula so if people like goons and so on want to have a high sec campaign they should be persona non grataGǪ every high sec corp should be war decced with them and have it cost effectiveGǪ

Or if the csm is right and high sec should be reasonably safe then just increase the PG of the hulk so it can fit a LSE

Make harder hits for sec status for suicide ganks and make it so someone with negative sec status cant use an orca to reshipGǪ

Common CCP this hypocrisy is nauseating!