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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.22 13:39:00 -
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Every once in a while, I too get frustrated with the learning times. But then I just go and do something else. 
EVE is a big game. If you think you've done it all, you are wrong. Heck, I didn't even see mention of you taking on Sleepers.
Being a good Caldari, you could also have joined their allies, the Amarr, in their battle to quench the Minmatar uprising. Check out Curatores Veritatis Alliance (CVA)
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Floydd Heywood
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Posted - 2009.09.22 14:21:00 -
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@OP: You could purchase an experienced character from someone else. Money doesn't seem to be your problem if you are willing to pay for a year even though you won't be playing.
Waiting will probably not help you anyway... after all in a year the experienced characters of today will be even more experienced, so relativley speaking you will have gained little (the little being those experienced characters/players who quit the game).
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.09.22 14:59:00 -
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Pro Tip: You don't need all skills to lvl V to be an asset in this game.
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Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.09.22 15:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Empress Smith
I know I've seen several posts throughout the forum regarding this, and some of this may be rehash - BUT, the time it takes to participate in EvE in a fun and meaningful manner is just too darn long.
If it's not fun, why play?
As for meaningful, my first character was able to join a major alliance and participate in PVP and industry on a grand scale only 2 or 3 months into the game. My second character, after I knew my way around, was a CEO on day one and built up a 50-man corporation within a few months.
I think you're frustrated right now because you don't know what you want to do. I suggest you find somebody with a clear vision of something (whether it be building a major alliance or becoming notorious pirates) and join them. You can always change gears and join somebody else later.
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Bloodquake
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Posted - 2009.09.22 16:24:00 -
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Coming from a strong MMORPG background (FFXI, WOW, SW Galaxies) I think I understand what the true problem the OP is having. EVE is not a MMORPG it is simply a MMO.
First most MMORPGs allows players to grind levels as fast as they can to achieve max level and basically compete with people who have been with the game for years as equals. WoW compounds this with basically making gear you have worked hard to get through endgame content obsolete the first day of a new expansion. EVEs veteran players are rewarded with stats that make them strong as individuals and I believe this is a reward they deserve, however even the most experienced character can be downed by a organized band of low SP but skilled players.
Second most MMORPGs have factions. The defined ôThis is your enemyö. EVE has no faction heroes or villains. When I played WOW I enjoyed nothing more than coming to the aid of my faction cities while they we under siege to get some great PVP action. EVE has no ôFor the Hordeö, No single (NPC) banner to stand behind, No (NPC) leader to rally his force against another and never will.
IÆve really only been playing for a few weeks, but I just take the game for what it is a MMO. Just like the OP IÆm trying to gain some ISK, get some ships in the station, find a Corp I can join without getting screwed and train up my skills. Your ****ing crazy if you think IÆm gonaÆ sit in station and pay 15$ a month for a year just to get SP. OP needs to realize that all those people that have been playing for years before him are still going to be training SP too and will be waiting in 0.0 just like before.
My name is Bloodquake and I endorse this product and push it onto my friends like crack!
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Clairmont Daken
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Posted - 2009.09.22 17:09:00 -
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It is clear to me that the one thing you say you haven't tried, (0.0 security space) is the thing which will give you most of what you are looking for. And it is never too soon to move to 0.0.
...and you're right (IMHO) ... it DOES take too long to train skills here!
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Sabbat Martyr
Caldari
King David Industries
The Compass
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Posted - 2009.09.22 17:17:00 -
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Successful WoW Troll is SUPER EFFECTIVE!
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.22 17:44:00 -
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I think, as Bloodquake pointed out, that this game is quite different to many MMORPG's in that it's very freeform with absolutely defined paths, you can train to do pretty much anything, can be an enemy or ally to whoever else in the game.
It's not handed to you on a plate, you need to find your own way, which is why it's a sandbox and not a theme park like WoW, which leads you down predescribed paths of play to achieve set goals.
If all you do is log in to set your skills, expecting the game to improve once you reach a particular sp limit or gain a certain set of skills, then you will be vastly disappointed, as the real game experience actually comes from logging in to play and learn the game and acquire player experience as well as just skill points and better ships.
Knowing which group of pirates call a particular system home and being able to avoid them, taking a small group of friends out on a roam and getting popped by a gatecamp, all good fun and part of the learning experience that is EVE.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.22 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 22/09/2009 17:54:50
Originally by: Bloodquake
Coming from a strong MMORPG background (FFXI, WOW, SW Galaxies) I think I understand what the true problem the OP is having. EVE is not a MMORPG it is simply a MMO.
First most MMORPGs allows players to grind levels as fast as they can to achieve max level and basically compete with people who have been with the game for years as equals. WoW compounds this with basically making gear you have worked hard to get through endgame content obsolete the first day of a new expansion. EVEs veteran players are rewarded with stats that make them strong as individuals and I believe this is a reward they deserve, however even the most experienced character can be downed by a organized band of low SP but skilled players.
Second most MMORPGs have factions. The defined ôThis is your enemyö. EVE has no faction heroes or villains. When I played WOW I enjoyed nothing more than coming to the aid of my faction cities while they we under siege to get some great PVP action. EVE has no ôFor the Hordeö, No single (NPC) banner to stand behind, No (NPC) leader to rally his force against another and never will.
IÆve really only been playing for a few weeks, but I just take the game for what it is a MMO. Just like the OP IÆm trying to gain some ISK, get some ships in the station, find a Corp I can join without getting screwed and train up my skills. Your ****ing crazy if you think IÆm gonaÆ sit in station and pay 15$ a month for a year just to get SP. OP needs to realize that all those people that have been playing for years before him are still going to be training SP too and will be waiting in 0.0 just like before.
My name is Bloodquake and I endorse this product and push it onto my friends like crack!
The problem is the misconceptions this game has are numerous and you often see them repeated on other game site forums, its very frustrating. Also many top game sites have horribly out of date reviews and some are pure wrong. One even states the sole way to make ISK is to mine..that's a load of crap. EVE is not a levelling game and when new players grasp that it all clicks into place. Its also a sand box and that means two things, first your responsible for your own fun and you have to go and get it (which is very easy to do though) and second its merciless as its free form by nature.
You have the right mind set and if you end up not liking the game it will be for the right reasons which is fine. Too many players give up for the wrong reasons like the Op must be close to doing.
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Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.09.22 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Empress Smith
I know I've seen several posts throughout the forum regarding this, and some of this may be rehash - BUT, the time it takes to participate in EvE in a fun and meaningful manner is just too darn long.
Unfortunately this is true. We've got our own newbie in our group and he can't participate in anything. We'd like him to, but his SP is so low he would get torn apart instantly. He's already sick of mining and level one mission running. I fear he may quit soon.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.22 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Wizard
Originally by: Empress Smith
I know I've seen several posts throughout the forum regarding this, and some of this may be rehash - BUT, the time it takes to participate in EvE in a fun and meaningful manner is just too darn long.
Unfortunately this is true. We've got our own newbie in our group and he can't participate in anything. We'd like him to, but his SP is so low he would get torn apart instantly. He's already sick of mining and level one mission running. I fear he may quit soon.
think harder? noobies can participate in things right away.
pvping, put a scrambler on, pve let him fly a frig and destroy enemy frigs. or salvage/loot behind. mining get him in a hauler, or a mining cruiser.
You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.09.22 18:20:00 -
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Every few months we get a post like this in newbie q&a, and really you guys should just give up on trying to convince him, because he is not changing his mind. The OP has decided that eve is a certain way and no matter how much we try, we cannot change his mind. Some people start eve and first thing they do is look up some awesome ship setup, then go look at how long it will take for them to train into it and then decide that they cannot do anything 'meaningful' before they get in that ship, which we all know to be untrue, but they have convinced themselves of this so no amount of argument will change their mind. Just ignore the thread and it will fall into obscurity like the all the others like this.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.22 18:25:00 -
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I joined a corp only a few weeks into the game and found it very rewarding even as a low sp player, I hadn't even reached the 900k that required me to upgrade my clone when I joined. They taught me and other new players the basics of pvp and took us out on frigate roams. I was then able to join fleets when we got war decced. I could only fly a frigate effectively but was somewhat useful all the same.
Going out and getting blown up was part of the learning experience, we were caught in gate camps while on roams, had war targets sniping us in high sec, and I was able to learn from that, not only what skills I needed to train, but as a player. I no longer panicked if I saw war targets hanging off the gate.
Go make some mistakes and give yourself something to laugh about, you learn the most valuable lessons that way
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.09.22 19:04:00 -
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Natural Selection is at work here.
Proceed with caution.
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Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.09.22 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Manu Hermanus
Originally by: Dirty Wizard
Originally by: Empress Smith
I know I've seen several posts throughout the forum regarding this, and some of this may be rehash - BUT, the time it takes to participate in EvE in a fun and meaningful manner is just too darn long.
Unfortunately this is true. We've got our own newbie in our group and he can't participate in anything. We'd like him to, but his SP is so low he would get torn apart instantly. He's already sick of mining and level one mission running. I fear he may quit soon.
think harder? noobies can participate in things right away.
pvping, put a scrambler on, pve let him fly a frig and destroy enemy frigs. or salvage/loot behind. mining get him in a hauler, or a mining cruiser.
He's already sick of mining and mission running. You're so eager to get your opinion out that you didn't even bother to read the post.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.22 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard
Every few months we get a post like this in newbie q&a, and really you guys should just give up on trying to convince him, because he is not changing his mind. The OP has decided that eve is a certain way and no matter how much we try, we cannot change his mind. Some people start eve and first thing they do is look up some awesome ship setup, then go look at how long it will take for them to train into it and then decide that they cannot do anything 'meaningful' before they get in that ship, which we all know to be untrue, but they have convinced themselves of this so no amount of argument will change their mind. Just ignore the thread and it will fall into obscurity like the all the others like this.
Your quite right, but I tend to think of others who may be reading rather than the Op. I agree once they post here its usually a dead duck. They would have been exposed to how EVE works through many forums and resources, as well as simple observation, but once something sticks in someone's head that's the end of it. They will always find an excuse to support the way they think.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.09.22 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
...but I tend to think of others who may be reading rather than the Op...
You have a point here I think. These topics could actually be a good place to get information out there for the people who are still 'on the fence' and hopefully help them see what eve really is while also getting some exposure to the people who don't 'get' eve 
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.22 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Marguerite Antiki
Edited by: Marguerite Antiki on 22/09/2009 11:56:55
Originally by: Pookie McPook
In all honesty how could one person flying around in an infinitely small corner of space in a single ****ant space ship possibly effect such a universal outcome as you are looking for.
Umm didnt Luke Skywalker achieve this in a tiny X wing and destroy a Death Star, kill the bad guys and win the hearts of millions of noobs ?
Edit - and I think Luke in EVE terms onlyt had a small amount of skills points as that guy had no training in flying a battelship only a ****ant little ship :P
I think you'll find he didn't do it on his own. He might have fired the final shot in that battle but if your recollection is that he did it alone you seriously need to go back and watch that movie again. And his role in that battle was roughly analogous to a tackler in many battles. Look at any capital kill mail and you will usually see some frigates on it.
Player Since 2005
Over 4000 hours logged
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2009.09.22 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Wizard
Originally by: Manu Hermanus
Originally by: Dirty Wizard
Originally by: Empress Smith
I know I've seen several posts throughout the forum regarding this, and some of this may be rehash - BUT, the time it takes to participate in EvE in a fun and meaningful manner is just too darn long.
Unfortunately this is true. We've got our own newbie in our group and he can't participate in anything. We'd like him to, but his SP is so low he would get torn apart instantly. He's already sick of mining and level one mission running. I fear he may quit soon.
think harder? noobies can participate in things right away.
pvping, put a scrambler on, pve let him fly a frig and destroy enemy frigs. or salvage/loot behind. mining get him in a hauler, or a mining cruiser.
He's already sick of mining and mission running. You're so eager to get your opinion out that you didn't even bother to read the post.
Neither did you by the looks of things. I'm not going to bother with giving advice on how your friend would be most effective when helping you guys out, since it's likely to fall on deaf ears. All I can say is, I'm glad I had better friends when learning how to play this game.
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Odins Blood
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Posted - 2009.09.23 01:26:00 -
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this game system is awsome. what is the problem? i think its a bit wierd that i cant "level up" it would be nice to be able to do that. but ive played WOW and its fun but you have to devote so much time to everything ingame and online it gets to the point were you either A: play and level up or B:go shower you filthy alliance bastard. ive been playing this game for maybe 3 days now. in my first day i hooked up with a wonderful (if small clan) who helped me acheive goals. i was lost as hell. barely understanding this wierd system not knowing what choices to make or what to do (the fact that that epicaly confusing star map still is beyond my grasp didnt help my situation). they helped me so much. i got a destroyer now (thanks to them throwing money at me cause i was mining for a living since my ubber nice frigate got destroyed) and am on my way to becoming the clans logistics/command ship pilot. in a week i should be able to get a logistics ship and next month i would say a SWEET command cruiser. i would still be in a weird limbo of not knowing what to make of my freedom and swimming around in lostness training any skill that looked sparkly to me. go find a niche if your new. find a nice small corp with some experience and let them help you. and help them. they all will likely have their own established role to play and the clan will be missing something and you can be that something. also as to the skills. its annoying and i kinda hate it. but if you dont have much free time then its sweet. i level things up that i need (or think i need up until it takes a day to train them. then when i go to bed i set up the long skills and BOOM im good next time i log on. yeah it sucked the first two days. i wanted to go out and tear the universe up. but with how little time i have to myself (im navy work everyday at least 6-2) its awsome. but *end rant* find a direction. train to it. and DONT TRAIN TO BE A JACK OF ALL TRADES!!!! thanks to the nagss for taking in a super noob.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.23 01:33:00 -
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MY EYES
Ask them to show you how to break stuff into paragraphs and use punctuation too.
But it's good that you hooked up with some experienced players and you have some direction. You will get to a point once you've been playing a few weeks and have started picking up the finer points where you will start to find your own goals in the game.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.09.23 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 23/09/2009 04:44:13
Someone on this forum once said, "The difference between EVE and other MMOs is that other MMOs tell you (the player) that you are special and important even though your actions don't really affect the game. But in EVE you are told you are not important or special, but your actions do affect the game."
This is of course referring to player controlled space, not empire.
Look to my sig. It shows two, two day old characters killing characters that are years old.
Sorry to break this, but the whole let your character sit on the backburner while you train SP is a bad idea. The important things you have to learn are head skills, not character skills. Those two day old characters were able to create havoc by knowing what they were about.
In other MMOs the one with the most experience wins automatically. A level 1 character has no hope at all for killing a level 80 character. Even if the level 80 just stands there afk and takes it. In EVE, the equivalent of a level 1 character can kill a level 80 character. But the skills you need to do this is experience.
To be a winner, you set up bookmarks everywhere. You learn all the ship types, the most common fittings, how much cap, HP, and what the vulnerabilities are. Most common support ships. There is a LOT to learn about this game. How to keep a 5m SP player in a frigate from blowing up your battleship is one of those things. The things you need to learn to be effective can only be learned from playing. Go to Wow or some other MMO and buy a max level char, and go own a bunch of newbies. In EVE, if you were handed a max skill character, someone could make a newbie alt and toss you all over the place.
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PyroTech03
Caldari
Legion of Darkwind
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Posted - 2009.09.23 23:05:00 -
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I have only been playing a week and love the game so far.
Let me know if you find an MMO that lets you affect the grand NPC Based backstory....then you can come here and wine.
I like the anology to this being more like simulating life than a game. There is little soap/space opera's going on all over the galaxy. You want epic?? Right before I joined, the player ran EBANK pretty much went belly up and froze everyone's accounts....with a loss of 1.72 TRILLION ISK, and thousands of characters/players affected by it...you think that didn't have a major affect on a large quantity of players and their "story line?"
I myself have started a corp for the sake of me and my friends and going to expand out from there...hoping to make a name for ourselves by many different avenues.
Get in a good corp or start your own...make your own story line or join the cause of someone elses.
Or if ya can't do either, then get out of New Eden...it isn't for you.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: PyroTech03
Intelligent perspective.
More Natural Selection at work.
This pod pilot will go far.
Rookies should compare the OP to this post and that will give them a very good idea about who will enjoy this game.
Luck to you Pyro.
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Xev Kronos
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:57:00 -
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As was mentioned, instead of blowing a billion isk out of boredom, why not buy a character with all that isk that already has the skillpoints you want? You do realize there is a subforum dedicated to that very thing, and CCP handles the transfer of characters so its safe from scams...
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PyroTech03
Caldari
Legion of Darkwind
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Posted - 2009.09.24 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo
Originally by: PyroTech03
Intelligent perspective.
More Natural Selection at work.
This pod pilot will go far.
Rookies should compare the OP to this post and that will give them a very good idea about who will enjoy this game.
Luck to you Pyro.
Thank you for the kind words....Even if you belong to "I don't know my daddy annonymous" (lol sorry couldn't help but notice the corp name)
But in all seriousness....thank you :)
Also looking at my post again...something to note is that this game IS NOT for everyone. It's by letting the game fit a small niche of players that let's it accell at what it does. Unlike games like WoW, UO, EQ, and SWG that by trying to fit the game for everyone, ended up breaking themselves or is on that downward spiral.
By realizing what makes EvE great (and not so much), and forming an opinion off that....you can decide if it fits your niche or if it isn't you cup of tea. For example I didn't play eve for a long time simply because I loved UO (early years before the split) and I couldn't phathom playing a game where I never left my ship...heck the reason I finally gave it a look was the rumor that CCP is doing a World of Darkness MMO and that the tech for it is the same that will let Eve players walk in stations. Then I said "Hey, ill give it a shot since that's in the works" Well now that I have tried it, i think, "how often do space pilots really leave their ships?" and wish I had tried this game back in '03 when it came out.
Point of the Wall-O-Text...Everyone has reasons a game would or wouldn't be for them....Some moreover than others and Eve definatly has more reasons to be critical. But as a gamer, a role-player, and a MMO enthusiast (so glad to have an MMO that feels like the early years of UO) i personally believe that it is wrong to not recommend a game just cause you simply don't agree with it. I even don't recommend this to all my friends just cause of the learning curve and can see how some won't get it, and I have decided I would keep playing.
Either way....good luck to you....it's all decent advice in this thread so....do what you will.
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.09.24 04:30:00 -
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I think i can smell a troll.
Either that or the OP just needs to quit the game because it's not what they are looking for
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2009.09.24 12:30:00 -
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You won't play because your ego can't take failure. You're frightened to fail and that's preventing you from jumping in. In the past you've consistently chosen to take part in activities where the risk of failure can be negated by factors that you can control.
Eve is different, this is not a superhero game, Eve represents the situation as it would be. Fresh out of training you are shark bait for anyone who chooses to target you. You survive by being scared. You survive by being paranoid, you survive by banding together with others who are as scared and as paranoid as you. Ultimately, you will progress beyond just surviving and you will begin to prosper in the Eve universe. But in order to do this, you must learn and to learn you have to fail first.
It's only by doing badly that you will learn the lessons that teach you how to do well. It's like life; you can hide away from the world saying you could have been a contender if youÆd have had the right schooling or the right job or girl friend or car or you can play your cards as they are dealt and get out there and make something of yourself.
If you donÆt do it now you never will. ThereÆs always something new to train in Eve and you can always blame failure on SP or your lack of them. Did I loose my last cruiser v cruiser fight because I had cruiser 3 and he had cruiser 5? I could explain it that way but in truth, after thinking the fight through, I remembered that I was so flustered I forgot to turn of my MWD as I went into orbit. Huge sig radius penalty, I got plastered by his guns. I wonÆt do that again.
With a billion isk to spend you could have months of amazing frigate pvp û there are people out there having millions times more fun than you with a fraction of your resources.
Or wait a year, buy the biggest, baddest, shiniest ship that money can buy, sink your entire fortune into the ride of your dreams, hit undock and start running through the scenarios of how youÆll dominate this Eve universe and make those other players kiss your feet. Watch your overview light up like a Christmas tree; watch an ungodly amount of ordnance start screaming through space towards you. Randomly start hammering at buttons and shouting and swearing as shields drain into armor and armor gives way to structure. Then itÆs just you and your pod and trillions of tons of hostile spaceships pointing right at you.
Goodbye.
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Viscount Hood
V I R I I
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.09.24 14:02:00 -
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I think the OP is quite right, and that problem never really goes away. You never really have enough skills, or you have the skills but not the time to make isk to use those skills. It seems as though you can't make a meaningful contribution to your game.
My advice is not to look at what other players are doing and don't compare yourself with so called veterans. Find something you like doing in the game and have fun with it. There is no I win button and there will always be someone better than you. Eve is a long long complex game.
I'm 6 years into the game, 65mill sp, Lots of things I can't do, and still not uber in anything in particular.
mining - done that and its still fun
salvaging - done that and its still fun
mission running - done that and its still fun
market trading - done that and its still fun
been blown up by 1-6 year players, but i don't like that. Especially 1 year old players.
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Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tesco Yogurt
He's already sick of mining and mission running. You're so eager to get your opinion out that you didn't even bother to read the post.
Neither did you by the looks of things. I'm not going to bother with giving advice on how your friend would be most effective when helping you guys out, since it's likely to fall on deaf ears. All I can say is, I'm glad I had better friends when learning how to play this game.
Wow, the fail is strong in you, young padawan 
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