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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:21:00 -
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James 315 wrote:OK, I'll play along. Do you agree with all of the following? 1. Hulks should not be buffed in any way, shape or form. 2. Suicide ganking should not be nerfed again. 3. Wardecs, awoxing, can-flipping, and every other form of highsec PvP should not be nerfed again. 4. Highsec mining should not be buffed again. If you disagree with any of the above, you are a carebear, and your whole post is moot because you suffer from the "one more nerf" syndrome which effectively means you do, in fact, want an invulnerable mining ship, etc. If you agree with all of the above points, good for you. It's the carebears who give the other 0.0000001% of highsec miners a bad name. 
Wow, attention from *the* James 315 himself. :)
Hmm...unfortunately your questions are a bit more complex than a simple agree/disagree can cover, but I'll do my best to answer without being too wordy.
I agree to what you're saying, since the problems are more with the underlying mechanics of the game itself.
In point #1, I agree because it's not a matter of how 'buffed' Hulks are. The strength of a Hulk (or lack thereof) is not the problem. It has more to do with the underlying mechanics of mining, locations of asteroid belts, and so on.
As for point 2, I agree, as there's nothing really wrong with the suicide ganking mechanic as it stands.
For #3, that's way to complex a question to answer with an agree/disagree.
4. I guess it depends on what you define as a buff. Again this issue is much more complicated and subjective than an agree/disagree. Also, what I might call a change to make mining more interesting, you might interpret as a buff. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7730
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:22:00 -
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Gonada wrote:Your just reiterating what I said, I agree, totally What you said and what I said differs on a few critical points. You might have meant the same, but it didn't quite come out that way.
Also, the OP isn't quite telling it like it is for much the same reason. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
586
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Gonada wrote:Sandbox means you can do whatever you want. No. It means everyone can do what they want, which will include things you do not want them to do (to you) and which will keep you from doing what you want. Or, to use my new favourite Malcanis quote: sandbox doesn't mean you can succeed at everything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. You should probably note that the OP never even mentioned the wordGǪ
And two new favorite quotes for me! 
The OP is a good example of a player that has seen a lot of different aspects of EVE, but hasn't been around long enough to see it change (or not change at all in other ways). Without historical perspective it's much harder to understand the full impact of mechanics and gameplay, leading to ridiculous claims like 'suicide-gankers will halt the production of ships by chasing away all miners'.
Seriously, the only way in EVE to make players stop mining, is if CCP removes all asteroids from the game.  Three guesses what the 'PvP-ers' in null are currently making billions of ISK with: A, B, C Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
198
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:33:00 -
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Upset about something posted on GD?
Looking for respect from strangers over the internet?  Post with your monkey. |

Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
76
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:41:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Upset about something posted on GD? Looking for respect from strangers over the internet? 
As opposed to people looking to disrespect people over the internet. |

Tobiaz
Spacerats
586
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:52:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:James 315 wrote:OK, I'll play along. Do you agree with all of the following? 1. Hulks should not be buffed in any way, shape or form. 2. Suicide ganking should not be nerfed again. 3. Wardecs, awoxing, can-flipping, and every other form of highsec PvP should not be nerfed again. 4. Highsec mining should not be buffed again. If you disagree with any of the above, you are a carebear, and your whole post is moot because you suffer from the "one more nerf" syndrome which effectively means you do, in fact, want an invulnerable mining ship, etc. If you agree with all of the above points, good for you. It's the carebears who give the other 0.0000001% of highsec miners a bad name.  Wow, attention from *the* James 315 himself. :) Hmm...unfortunately your questions are a bit more complex than a simple agree/disagree can cover, but I'll do my best to answer without being too wordy. I agree to what you're saying, since the problems are more with the underlying mechanics of the game itself. In point #1, I agree because it's not a matter of how 'buffed' Hulks are. The strength of a Hulk (or lack thereof) is not the problem. It has more to do with the underlying mechanics of mining, locations of asteroid belts, and so on. As for point 2, I agree, as there's nothing really wrong with the suicide ganking mechanic as it stands. For #3, that's way to complex a question to answer with an agree/disagree. 4. I guess it depends on what you define as a buff. Again this issue is much more complicated and subjective than an agree/disagree. Also, what I might call a change to make mining more interesting, you might interpret as a buff.
#1 I'm pretty sure James means simply buffing the yield:tank ratio. It certainly is what most carebear miners are whining about when they come with 300M ISK ship-arguments. Underlying mining-mechanics have little to do with this.
#2 As it stands? Funny thing about suicide-ganking is that it simply forces the players to adapt , which the smart ones always do, quickly establishing a new equilibrium. As such it's never truly unbalanced.
#3 No it's not. He's simply asking your opinion about non-consensual combat and shenanigans it high-sec.
#4 This is even simpler: mining is all about profit (with gankers being a calculated risk). Boosting high-sec mining is comparing this profit with low and null-sec (and WH for the truly desperate). The fact that there are almost no miners in low-sec should make this a no-brainer.
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0ccupy 4-4
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:04:00 -
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ITT: OP puts together a good post pretty much saying not all miners are clueless bot-like creatures. Buttmad nerds come out of woodwork and say that respect is earned in this video game (grr) over and over and talk about sandboxes. |

Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:07:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote: #1 I'm pretty sure James means simply buffing the yield:tank ratio. It certainly is what most carebear miners are whining about when they come with 300M ISK ship-arguments. Underlying mining-mechanics have little to do with this.
#2 As it stands? Funny thing about suicide-ganking is that it simply forces the players to adapt , which the smart ones always do, quickly establishing a new equilibrium. As such it's never truly unbalanced.
#3 No it's not. He's simply asking your opinion about non-consensual combat and shenanigans it high-sec.
#4 This is even simpler: mining is all about profit (with gankers being a calculated risk). Boosting high-sec mining is comparing this profit with low and null-sec (and WH for the truly desperate). The fact that there are almost no miners in low-sec should make this a no-brainer.
Allright, I'll go with those definitions:
1. No, the Hulk doesn't need to be changed. It wouldn't make any difference.
3. Again, a very complex question, but looking at it conceptually, no. Non-consensual combat (and related activity) should be allowed in High Sec. Hell, it *needs* to be there. Otherwise Eve High Sec becomes the Elwynn Forest in space.
4. Really that's a question of "Where is it more profitable to mine." I feel that mining in 0.0 really needs a buff. I spent some time in 0.0 and by and large the mining there is *terrible*, aside from a few choice ores. Gnesis and Spoduman? Are you serious? People mine in High Sec because it's 'safer,' easier (logistically), and therefore, more profitable overall. Toss in the High Sec ore vs. 0.0/Low Sec ore yields, and yes, mining is heavily balanced in the favor of High Sec.
This is less than a question of price, which is determined by the player, something that CCP ultimately has no control over, and more a question of value added to the game. 0.0/low sec ores currently add little value relative to their High Sec counterparts. This must change if 0.0/Low Sec mining is to be a large scale viable alternative to High Sec mining. |

Shaampoo
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
54
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:13:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:There have been a lot of GÇ£Miners donGÇÖt belong in EvEGÇ¥ posts Who ever said that is either a troll on a idiot
I pvp fairly regularly and have kill one or two hulks in hi sec ( failed more often than that )
But miners are needed for miners and stuff
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3245
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:20:00 -
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Miners belong in eve, they just also must be scourged relentlessly by their betters as well, made to realize the depths of their inferiority and made to understand their opinions on the rest of the game are wrong.
In other words, respect is the last thing you should give to a miner. One does not respect plankton, after all, no matter how much sea life relies on it in one way or another. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
791
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:24:00 -
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I agree with everything the OP said. It's not a bad post.
I also agree with this:
James 315 wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:In conclusion, only ask for one thing. Not a GÇÿsafeGÇÖ Eve, nor an invulnerable mining ship. Not even faster CONCORD response times or that GÇÿDeath RayGÇÖ that was bandied about at Fanfest.
All I want is respect. Respect for my role, respect for the value I bring to EvE. OK, I'll play along. Do you agree with all of the following? 1. Hulks should not be buffed in any way, shape or form. 2. Suicide ganking should not be nerfed again. 3. Wardecs, awoxing, can-flipping, and every other form of highsec PvP should not be nerfed again. 4. Highsec mining should not be buffed again. If you disagree with any of the above, you are a carebear, and your whole post is moot because you suffer from the "one more nerf" syndrome which effectively means you do, in fact, want an invulnerable mining ship, etc. If you agree with all of the above points, good for you. It's the carebears who give the other 0.0000001% of highsec miners a bad name. 
Both good reads.
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:31:00 -
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OP, nice post. Thank god for the industrialist, wasn't for them, I never would have gotten my Super. I damn sure wouldn't be able to build it. I respect all forms of EvE game play. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1177
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:18:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I think everybody, including you, should recall James 315 apologetic rants. This is where all of this "new hate" has started and you know it. So the carebears spend years doing nothing but aimlessly piling up rocks and bleating out whiny, hypocritical nerf demands. Then, when people go to the effort of playing EVE with them by engaging in a little PvP, the carebears flood the forums with more tears and nerf demands (and occasional death threats). And you lot wonder why we don't "respect" you? 
1) I don't want your respect. You monkeyed texts that drove people who injured or killed others including my relatives.
2) I am not a miner but a trader and I have billions and even tens of billions invested at risk. Here are screenshots of my Trit "speculation" and a whole tutorial about how to swing trade in EvE.
3) Look it up on this thread where I posted the screenshots showing I have been in FW / low and 0.0 since when I had a rifter.
For some reason CCP deleted many posts off there including mine where I demonstrate I risk much more than you'll ever do. I trade securities in RL (the deleted posts had a screenshot of my today's trade) which is a profession where 90% of the partecipants lose a lot of money. So, redefine "risk averse".
I do agree I am douche averse. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1874
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:26:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:1) I don't want your respect. You monkeyed texts that drove people who injured or killed others including my relatives. Unless your relatives are highsec miners, I'd say you have been sitting out in the ice fields too long  |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1177
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:37:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:1) I don't want your respect. You monkeyed texts that drove people who injured or killed others including my relatives. Unless your relatives are highsec miners, I'd say you have been sitting out in the ice fields too long 
I don't give a crap about what you do to miners - but LEAVE THE DEAD IN PEACE. Your texts are abominations, any barely decent forum would have seen you permabanned. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
198
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:40:00 -
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How does one monkey texts by the way? I must know! Post with your monkey. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7735
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:41:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:How does one monkey texts by the way? I must know! Two words: banana ink. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1874
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:54:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Your texts are abominations, any barely decent forum would have seen you permabanned. Well, nobody ever accused EVE-O of being a "barely decent forum."  |

Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
72
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:06:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Miners mine so I dont have to!
This is a great quote. +1 sir.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
470
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:11:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Your texts are abominations, any barely decent forum would have seen you permabanned. Well, nobody ever accused EVE-O of being a "barely decent forum."  Unfortunate, tbqh...
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
344
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:16:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:
R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
I respect your role as an industrialist, and enjoy the end result of your labors.
I also respect your other role as a target to be shot at whenever and wherever I please.
Finally, I respect your right to jack up your prices to compensate yourself for your pvp losses. I'll happily pay those as well.
Welcome to eve. ... |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
108
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:34:00 -
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Gonada wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Ditra Vorthran Security Status 0.0
State War Academy [SWA] Member for 11 months, 21 days
You deserve no respect. Post with your main or GTFO. Ill post with my main arswipe, 2003 char , OP is telling it like it is, you gtfo. Sandbox means you can do whatever you want. Period.
Nice get. +1
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
791
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:50:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:James 315 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I think everybody, including you, should recall James 315 apologetic rants. This is where all of this "new hate" has started and you know it. So the carebears spend years doing nothing but aimlessly piling up rocks and bleating out whiny, hypocritical nerf demands. Then, when people go to the effort of playing EVE with them by engaging in a little PvP, the carebears flood the forums with more tears and nerf demands (and occasional death threats). And you lot wonder why we don't "respect" you?  1) I don't want your respect. You monkeyed texts that drove people who injured or killed others including my relatives. 2) I am not a miner but a trader and I have billions and even tens of billions invested at risk. Here are screenshots of my Trit "speculation" and a whole tutorial about how to swing trade in EvE. 3) Look it up on this thread where I posted the screenshots showing I have been in FW / low and 0.0 since when I had a rifter. For some reason CCP deleted many posts off there including mine where I demonstrate I risk much more than you'll ever do. I trade securities in RL (the deleted posts had a screenshot of my today's trade) which is a profession where 90% of the partecipants lose a lot of money. So, redefine "risk averse". I do agree I am douche averse.
Your blog was a lot of words for: "I heard about hulkageddon, so I bought a lot of trit and it paid off"
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2300
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:39:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Ditra Vorthran Security Status 0.0
State War Academy [SWA] Member for 11 months, 21 days
You deserve no respect. Post with your main or GTFO. So, you think earning respect from your enemies means you can demand respect from everyone else? This coming from someone whose alliance sold the tournament last year? Holy crap your ego is MASSIVE, it might be leaking a little bull-****. You should fix that. I agree with OP. Miners mine so I dont have to!
I didn't imply I had any respect, anyone that knows me could tell you I hardly take myself seriously and my alliances actions are irrelevant to me since I am a solo pilot. Congratulations on not being too bright. My point still stands that someone asking for respect while alt posting is taking the ****. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
352
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:43:00 -
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Price Check Aisle3 wrote:tl;dr Ditra Vorthran wrote:GÇ£Hulks arenGÇÖt suppose to be in High Sec.GÇ¥ They don't. E: Apparently TL to bother even reading that phrase and saying "they aren't".
When CCP bans them they aren't, until then ... (you should try reading some more)
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
352
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:44:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:How does one monkey texts by the way? I must know!
For an infinite amount of time.......
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Wallimiyama
1st Contact Fade 2 Black
2
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Posted - 2012.06.07 19:14:00 -
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Cheers to the OP.
To any of the many miner haters out there...PI$$ off. I like mining. Of course I also like sexual asphixiation...but I digress... |
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