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Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
204
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:55:00 -
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Presenting Operation: Dread Intrusion, a fleet going to VFK.
Yes, it's a blog link. I originally wrote it there, and I'm not dicking around trying to fix the formatting after a copy-paste.
- People who fail to read the plan, but post an opinion on it anyway, will be ignored. - People blatantly trolling will be reported for it.
If you have a comment on the plan, leave it here, not on the blog, please. It makes it easier to keep all the responses etc. in one place =)
o/ Jace Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Price Check Aisle3
79
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:57:00 -
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I didn't read your plan, but godspeed. I'm certain this will end well. |

Tallon Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:57:00 -
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Good luck with that space bro. |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1874
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:59:00 -
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Jace Errata wrote:Presenting Operation: Dread Intrusion, a fleet going to VFK. Yes, it's a blog link. I originally wrote it there, and I'm not dicking around trying to fix the formatting after a copy-paste. - People who fail to read the plan, but post an opinion on it anyway, will be ignored. - People blatantly trolling will be reported for it. If you have a comment on the plan, leave it here, not on the blog, please. It makes it easier to keep all the responses etc. in one place =) o/ Jace
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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:01:00 -
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Cool, now we just have to make sure Goonswarm doesn-¦t learn about it to conserve the surprise element....
Oh... "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |

Price Check Aisle3
79
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:02:00 -
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The best part will be when this fleet awoxs itself. |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
204
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:04:00 -
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Sebastian N Cain wrote:Cool, now we just have to make sure Goonswarm doesn-¦t learn about it to conserve the surprise element....
Oh... From the plan:
kyle its a ****** manget wrote:While Goonswarm cannot be prevented from learning of the operation, a certain element of uncertainty regarding exact timing and deployment routes could be the key to success. Read harder plz. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

baltec1
1342
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:04:00 -
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I hear the last battleship fleet to try this got eaten by an NC frigate gang |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
629
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:04:00 -
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hahahahahaha
worst plan ever
step #1: get bigger supercapital fleet
...plan over |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
204
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:08:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:hahahahahaha
worst plan ever
step #1: get bigger supercapital fleet
...plan over Hey, it's up to the alliance what they plan to do once they're in. The fleet's part of the plan is getting them in there. 
(I do freely admit though, it's not a good plan. Worth a try though.) Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
629
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:08:00 -
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Seriously...I'm guessing you're like twelve, in which case this is cute.
If not...you need to skill yourself. |

Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:17:00 -
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Jace Errata wrote:Sebastian N Cain wrote:Cool, now we just have to make sure Goonswarm doesn-¦t learn about it to conserve the surprise element....
Oh... From the plan: kyle its a ****** manget wrote:While Goonswarm cannot be prevented from learning of the operation, a certain element of uncertainty regarding exact timing and deployment routes could be the key to success. Read harder plz. I read it, but seriously, that can hardly be called uncertainty, because timing and deployment routes aren-¦t difficult to find out if you are looking for it.
Actually, i wouldn-¦t mind taking part in it, just because the plan is so crazy that it-¦s going to be funny to take part in. In fact it is so crazy that the Goons probably would really be totally surprised and baffled if it is ever going to happen...
 "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |

Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:27:00 -
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The barbarians are at the gate only they're awful. |

Mutamu Dahak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:29:00 -
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Try not to die to something else before getting here. |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
72
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:29:00 -
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How long will this take? I can't devote too much time to this because I'm just a casual player and I have to mine for at least 4 hours a day to pay for a plex. |

Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
301
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:32:00 -
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More attention for Goonswarm is not the answer, but have fun with the fleet while you feed the endless ego. |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
204
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:33:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:How long will this take? I can't devote too much time to this because I'm just a casual player and I have to mine for at least 4 hours a day to pay for a plex. The idea is that each ship's trip to VFK takes place over several days to avoid easy detection, logging off in empty systems or rally points as needed. I'm afraid if you need to be at a specific place (i.e. mining) during the course of the operation, you'd need to use an alt for one of the activities.  Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:35:00 -
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I recommend bringing more than super caps alone. The last time this was tried was before the Crucible expansion's adjustment of Supercarriers and Titans, and it resulted in the 5 POS dropped in VFK being torn down and bubbled extensively, with all fleets sent in to break out those ships by killing their bubbles fought on the gates in.
By all means, please come to VFK. You'd be a fresh face from the usual ~40 man roaming gangs that come through, provided you make it to the system. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:37:00 -
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Frederick Sanger wrote:The barbarians are at the gate only they're awful.
Oh come on, the goons are not that bad You want fries with that? |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
72
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:40:00 -
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Jace Errata wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:How long will this take? I can't devote too much time to this because I'm just a casual player and I have to mine for at least 4 hours a day to pay for a plex. The idea is that each ship's trip to VFK takes place over several days to avoid easy detection, logging off in empty systems or rally points as needed. I'm afraid if you need to be at a specific place (i.e. mining) during the course of the operation, you'd need to use an alt for one of the activities.  And how is my alt supposed to pay for his plex if he is off galavanting around goon space? Sheesh some people are so pushy. If I wanted to be ordered about by ego maniacs I would be in a 0.0 alliance. |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
204
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:42:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:Jace Errata wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:How long will this take? I can't devote too much time to this because I'm just a casual player and I have to mine for at least 4 hours a day to pay for a plex. The idea is that each ship's trip to VFK takes place over several days to avoid easy detection, logging off in empty systems or rally points as needed. I'm afraid if you need to be at a specific place (i.e. mining) during the course of the operation, you'd need to use an alt for one of the activities.  And how is my alt supposed to pay for his plex if he is off galavanting around goon space? Sheesh some people are so pushy. If I wanted to be ordered about by ego maniacs I would be in a 0.0 alliance. Hey, I'm not pushing anybody. It's just that using an alt is the only currently available way to be in two places at once...and that's what you'd need to do if you want to mine four hours a day and come along on Dread Intrusion. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:43:00 -
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i swear if you block off my sanctums i will do absolutely nothing but write whiny words about how emergent gameplay is destroying my chosen EVE profession |

David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:56:00 -
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So, yeah, good luck with that. I'm 100% sure you'll be able to do what a huge coalition of dedicated pvpers couldn't do. |

0ccupy 4-4
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:57:00 -
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Why does your character have a blog and twitter account? |

Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:19:00 -
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0ccupy 4-4 wrote:Why does your character have a blog and twitter account? Didn-¦t you know?
Eve is real... "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:20:00 -
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Well. I didn't think anyone could possibly have a dumber idea than PL, NCdot, Evoke and Raiden did when they invaded VFK last year.
Good job OP. You have one upped Billy Merc when it comes to mindless stupidity.
Now to tell you where the plan falls down:
Cyno jammers. |

David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:08:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Well. I didn't think anyone could possibly have a dumber idea than PL, NCdot, Evoke and Raiden did when they invaded VFK last year.
Good job OP. You have one upped Billy Merc when it comes to mindless stupidity.
Now to tell you where the plan falls down:
Cyno jammers.
That was covered in the plan. They're going to shoot the jammers wtih Stealth bombers. They most definitely aren't going to die to the POS guns next to that jammer though! |

Kincaid Taron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:33:00 -
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This is like the Eve version of The Bay of Pigs invasion.
How'd that one turn out?
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Widow Cain
19
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:38:00 -
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I have a better plan:
P i z z a
OMG You are sooo pixel macho... |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
402
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:07:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Well. I didn't think anyone could possibly have a dumber idea than PL, NCdot, Evoke and Raiden did when they invaded VFK last year.
Good job OP. You have one upped Billy Merc when it comes to mindless stupidity.
Now to tell you where the plan falls down:
Cyno jammers. That was covered in the plan. They're going to shoot the jammers wtih Stealth bombers. They most definitely aren't going to die to the POS guns next to that jammer though!
Is this how highsec people think invasions work? Because honestly this sounds hilarious. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
822
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:15:00 -
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what would happen to this capital fleet when they arrived in VFK?
lol eh |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
292
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:21:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:what would happen to this capital fleet when they arrived in VFK?
lol Tea and Scones?  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
292
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:22:00 -
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Kincaid Taron wrote:This is like the Eve version of The Bay of Pigs invasion.
How'd that one turn out?
Really well  Oh you mean for the United states. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
822
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I hear the last battleship fleet to try this got eaten by an NC frigate gang 
oh god where's the BR eh |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1797
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Posted - 2012.06.07 04:25:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Well. I didn't think anyone could possibly have a dumber idea than PL, NCdot, Evoke and Raiden did when they invaded VFK last year.
Good job OP. You have one upped Billy Merc when it comes to mindless stupidity.
Now to tell you where the plan falls down:
Cyno jammers. That was covered in the plan. They're going to shoot the jammers wtih Stealth bombers. They most definitely aren't going to die to the POS guns next to that jammer though!
But they have a Wall Of EWARGäó
Also, Sov warfare's not something you really do stealthily. The best way to do this semi-stealthily would be to form a heavy subcap fleet on a titan*, sneak a cyno next to the VFK gate, light the Cyno and drop the fleet there, then smash the Jammer AFSAGDHFP so that your Caps can RF some things. Then log them out and hope GSF is too demoralized by the initial attack** to build up a cap force for the timer fight.
*Not sure if there are any non-GSF allied systems within range of VFK, so this may pose a problem **This may be unlikely. Fit a cloak before you log. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
212
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Posted - 2012.06.07 04:33:00 -
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Isn't the point of a plan of attack to keep the plan of attack secret, to avoid the enemy from countering the attack? |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1798
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Posted - 2012.06.07 04:45:00 -
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Torneach wrote:Isn't the point of a plan of attack to keep the plan of attack secret, to avoid the enemy from countering the attack? On a less-trollish note, I'd totally join you in this, just for ***** and giggles. Send me a mail. 
Making you plan public has worked in several instances.
The Ice Interdictions Burn Jita HAG
All come to mind. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2012.06.07 06:15:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Well. I didn't think anyone could possibly have a dumber idea than PL, NCdot, Evoke and Raiden did when they invaded VFK last year.
Good job OP. You have one upped Billy Merc when it comes to mindless stupidity.
Now to tell you where the plan falls down:
Cyno jammers.
Why the charm offensive?
You want fries with that? |

David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.06.07 06:28:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Torneach wrote:Isn't the point of a plan of attack to keep the plan of attack secret, to avoid the enemy from countering the attack? On a less-trollish note, I'd totally join you in this, just for ***** and giggles. Send me a mail.  Making you plan public has worked in several instances. The Ice Interdictions Burn Jita HAG All come to mind. Were those organized by highsec dwellers?  |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1799
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Posted - 2012.06.07 06:52:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Torneach wrote:Isn't the point of a plan of attack to keep the plan of attack secret, to avoid the enemy from countering the attack? On a less-trollish note, I'd totally join you in this, just for ***** and giggles. Send me a mail.  Making you plan public has worked in several instances. The Ice Interdictions Burn Jita HAG All come to mind. Were those organized by highsec dwellers? 
All I'm saying is that there are valid reasons to make your plan public ahead of time. I wasn't saying that this plan will benefit from such publicity.
In this case though, I think publicity can do nothing but help OP's cause, as without it it would be a one man assault on VFK. (It still has no chance of working) Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

St0n3r0d1um
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 06:56:00 -
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Come on, bring a lot a ships please \o/ We are gonna die ! |

Mme Pinkerton
23
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Posted - 2012.06.07 07:38:00 -
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I honestly appreciate your enthusiasm but every sentence of your blog post screams "I have never taken part in any large fleet combat before" - which is probably not the best starting point if you want people to commit a few hundred billion based on your plan.
Quote:Goonswarm Federation has grown rich. Powerful. Arrogant. Complacent agreed, any cathartic effect the loss of Delve might have had is long gone.
Quote:A ragtag fleet of capsuleer ships, equipped with cloaking devices, jammers, and cynosural field generators, will infiltrate to the heart of GSF space: VFK-IV, in Deklein. ragtag: no cloaks, jammer and cynos: yes infiltrate: no
* sorry, but ragtag fleets don't work unless you have massive numerical superiority (which you won't have, you'll more likely be outnumbered); * ECM is nice but other things (e.g. logistics, anti-tackle/bombers) are usually more important - ECM is extremely strong in small gangs but in practice it does not scale all that well in larger engagements.Jamming hostile logistics is a good idea that can work, jamming dps is hopeless. * Having some sturdy ships with a cyno (even offlined cyno is better than nothing) is never a mistake. * I apologize for the being blunt but "infiltrating" space is really dumb idea - all it does is send in many easy targets one by one. You want your subcap fleet to form up in northern Lonetrek and then titan-bridge them with a midpoint in NPC Pure Blind to some system near VFK.
Quote:On the way, cyno frigates trailing the advance guard will deploy at regular intervals, allowing a capital or supercapital fleet owned by a competing alliance to keep pace with the fleet. nope, that's a stupid idea. You get the cynos into position and then move your capital fleet the whole way in one go - the only delays should be your carriers recapping the fleet between jumps.
Quote:Having arrived in VFK-IV, the advance guard will form a jammer-wall to defend the main cyno ships, likely cruisers or battlecruisers for tanking ability. These will allow the capital fleet's vanguard and additional cyno ships to jump in. I have no idea what a "jammer wall" is supposed to be but it doesn't work. Using something tanky is probably a good idea but it's unlikely it will stay alive for long in either case. First you jump in some carriers, then use an Archon as a second cyno to bring in the rest of your fleet. An IPO guide (David H'Levi) | Towards a Positive Argument For Investing (RAW23) | Freighter Operations 101 (Kazuo Ishiguro) | Dominion market analysis (Akita T)
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Mme Pinkerton
23
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Posted - 2012.06.07 07:38:00 -
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Quote:First, however, a takedown of any cynosural jamming fields present must be effected. This must be carried out by ships infiltrated individually: a simple brute-force attack would likely be unsuccessful- and would also defeat the purpose of the objective. Stealth bombers or heavy gunships may need to be deployed for this stage. Again, a jammer-wall will also probably be needed, to lessen the effect of any defensive actions. You can't take out a cynogenerator without getting noticed... "Heavy gunships" would be dreads which you don''t have available while the jammer is up. At that point you have to split your subcaps - one fleet takes out the jammer while the rest camps station, gates and jumpbridge. The defenders have the capital advantage and this will be bloody but there's no way around it.
You should also set up at least one staging POS in system asap.
Quote:Once the capital fleet is in VFK-IV, the fleet may either assist the capital fleet, or run for home, depending on individual preference. haha, once you have baited a friendly capital fleet into a hellhole with 8000 angry goons you give your subcaps permission to leave at will. Nice style.
Quote:Cheap, but effective, fittings are encouraged. Many ships will probably be lost: numbers and replacement ability are vital. that point alone invalidates your whole "infiltration" concept. You need your subcap fleet able to reship and "I just died, see you in a few days when I have infiltrated my way back in" is not the way to go. Get some titans and a low-sec staging system or gtfo.
Quote:While nullsec pilots are welcome, and perhaps needed for some roles such as, you know, understanding sovereignty and cyno warfare, the advance guard is intended to be composed mainly of highsec pilots. After all, it's no fun if everyone's a leet peeveepee-er. agreed, it's more fun when people rage because their faction fit nightmare just died during "infiltration". An IPO guide (David H'Levi) | Towards a Positive Argument For Investing (RAW23) | Freighter Operations 101 (Kazuo Ishiguro) | Dominion market analysis (Akita T)
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Mme Pinkerton
23
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Posted - 2012.06.07 07:39:00 -
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Quote:The original fleet's flagship will be the Punisher Zero Point when I'm in it, and whatever the hell the FC is flying when I'm not. The flagship serves no real purpose, but any fleet should have a flagship, really. (The flagship pilot and the FC are not the same person when I'm flying the Zero Point.) I don't even... maybe make sure you have enough actual command ships (they tend to die 5 minutes into the fight) instead of waxing on about your frikking Punisher. "I can't be arsed to commit more than 10m ISK of my own, but you please bring your supers" wow.
Quote: Priority should be given to ECM ships at all times, and DPS ships during any siege combat that occurs. Slots should also be reserved for allied capital pilots during cyno operation: the cyno ship and the jumping ship need to be in the same fleet.
if your capitals are in your main fleet you are doing it wrong - and if you have free room in your subcap fleet (instead of 2-3 fleets) you have not enough number anyways.
edit: your venture won't get off the ground and you will of course blame it on the lack of an alliance to partner with, that is understood. But hopefully my comments help a little by illustrating the gap between your idea of fleet warfare and the reality of eve. An IPO guide (David H'Levi) | Towards a Positive Argument For Investing (RAW23) | Freighter Operations 101 (Kazuo Ishiguro) | Dominion market analysis (Akita T)
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Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.06.07 07:42:00 -
[45] - Quote
OP: For your pan to work, you'll need to contest the sovereignty of VFK. To do this, you'll need to anchor Sovereignty Blockade Units (SBUs) on >51% of the gates in system (in this case, >3), and prevent them from dying while you kill the structures in the system.
Once you've done this, you'll need to reinforce the Infrastructure Hub and the station in the system. There are two timers on each (Up to 24 hours on the iHub, up to 48 hours on the station) for you to take. While the station and iHub are reinforced, your SBUs will be invulnerable. Once you've gotten through these 4 timers, the Territorial Claim Unit (TCU) will be vulnerable. At this point, killing the TCU will allow you to anchor your own, and take the system.
Honestly, it's a bit to follow. I look forward to maybe fighting you on one of those timers. |

Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
535
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Posted - 2012.06.07 07:50:00 -
[46] - Quote
Ninety Nine point nine percent (repeating of course) chance of failure.
If after this warning, you still run ahed, you deserve to die from the horrible supercap and alpha fleet they will respond with.
Imo, getting TEST and PL and such pissed at them is probably a better idea and more likely to do something other than pad their killboard.
It will, however, make for some interesting reading, I'm sure.
Oh well, good luck. Maybe you can get lucky and exceed their attention span or something. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.06.07 07:58:00 -
[47] - Quote
That's not a plan, that's fan fiction. |

Mme Pinkerton
23
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Posted - 2012.06.07 07:59:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Oh well, good luck. Maybe you can get lucky and exceed their attention span or something. dbrb's attention span is measured in weeks not hours
goonswarm wins wars by losing every single battle - they just continue to show up until one day you don't An IPO guide (David H'Levi) | Towards a Positive Argument For Investing (RAW23) | Freighter Operations 101 (Kazuo Ishiguro) | Dominion market analysis (Akita T)
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
728
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Posted - 2012.06.07 08:08:00 -
[49] - Quote
Just remember when you get to VFK timing is crucial. Make sure the ground team have destroyed the shield generator station otherwise youll have to call off the attack. And remember that half built space station is actually fully operational and can fire its DD at you.
Once the shield is down fly a small modified light freighter into the centre of the station and explode it from there. The plan is brilliant, what could possibly go wrong? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
535
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Posted - 2012.06.07 08:10:00 -
[50] - Quote
Mme Pinkerton wrote:Myxx wrote:Oh well, good luck. Maybe you can get lucky and exceed their attention span or something. dbrb's attention span is measured in weeks not hours goonswarm wins wars by losing every single battle - they just continue to show up until one day you don't
Impressive attention span.
oh shiny... *wanders off*
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
244
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Posted - 2012.06.07 08:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
*Paging General Akbar* EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |

Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
311
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:24:00 -
[52] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:The barbarians are at the gate only they're awful.
Revolting in fact. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |

Velicitia
Open Designs
1003
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:32:00 -
[53] - Quote
Graic Gabtar wrote:*Paging General Akbar*
Wait, I thought they were laying siege to VFK... not TPAR |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
205
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Posted - 2012.06.07 12:17:00 -
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OKAY. Now no longer tired and in the small hours.
I'll just answer some of the points raised here (other than the ones like "you're stupid and so is your plan". Real helpful, there.)
- ECM wall - Yeah, this is possibly overrated. The idea is that it just disrupts and distracts long enough to get the job done, and then flees along with the rest of the fleet. If that's not possible, well, another plan will have to be made :D
- One-hop capital fleet - I was basing the "keeping pace" idea on limited jump ranges. If it is possible to bring them all the way in one jump, then that's much preferable.
- Flagship is terrible - Like I said, the flagship means nothing. It's either me or the FC, depending on whether I'm in fleet (I will need to log out occasionally over a multi-day operation), and that means that even when I'm in fleet, it likely won't be me that's FC. I've never FC'd a large fleet in my life. Oh, and the 10m ISK part- I don't even have 10m ISK. That's why I said the only reward for providing supers is having those supers parked in VFK, free to do whatever it is you do with supers in a hostile system.
- Infiltration is terrible - I disagree. It negates the intel-gathering ability of local (there's no one big push coming from a single direction that can be intercepted)...and it's all ninja and sneaky, which is sort of the point. Plus of course, a non-stop thunder run all the way to VFK would be hard to organize; not all pilots will be in the same timezone, not all will be in the same corp, or even alliance.
- Reship ability - Infiltration is only necessary for the first wave. Once they're in and fighting, they're providing a distraction, and there's even the possibility of riding a friendly Titan bridge closer to the fight. Not right to VFK obviously, since if we're still fighting we haven't got the jammers down yet, but at least to a rally point closer in.
- Caps in fleet - Reread please. AFAIK, capitals need to be in the same fleet as the cyno ships to use the cynos. That's why I specified "during cyno operation".
- Jammer takedown - [minor derp: purpose of the operation, not purpose of the objective] By "infiltrated individually", I mean they came in separately, then all jumped on whatever needs shooting. Regarding all that SBUs, iHubs etc. stuff: holy ****. Okay, this may be more complicated than I thought, and it may be necessary to bring members of the backing alliance along with the advance guard, in order to sort out sov correctly.
- I've never done sov or null warfare before - True, but I gotta start somewhere.
Planning to answer more points shortly. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Just Alter
Futures Abstractions
143
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 13:24:00 -
[55] - Quote
There's no way you really believe this will not end in embarassment. |

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1300
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 13:29:00 -
[56] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:That's not a plan, that's fan fiction. Copied, too. OP is basically re-creating the plan from Clear Skies 3.
Also, it takes near to a week to flip sov, and all the timers are available for both sides to see. There's no sneakyness possible, as soon as those timers are up you'll be fighting the full force of the CFC.
That usually doesn't end well. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1300
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 13:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:it's all ninja and sneaky But you announced the plan :picardfacepalm:
Or are you going to get the Full API of every fleet member to ensure they're not related to the CFC in any way and will tip the exact go time and fleet composition off?
This is why those RvB ganked roams always JUST HAPPEN to land in a smartbomb camp. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 14:46:00 -
[58] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:
Words Words Words...
You might want to talk to this guy I'm sure he's just full of useful tips on how to mount a successful attack on the heart of goonspace. |

Singoth
Kronos Fleet
58
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 14:47:00 -
[59] - Quote
LET'S GO FULL RTARD, GUYS. THEY'LL NEVER SEE IT COMING. Less yappin', more zappin'! |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 18:42:00 -
[60] - Quote
Singoth wrote:LET'S GO FULL RTARD, GUYS. THEY'LL NEVER SEE IT COMING.
It might even if we weren't an alliance full of retards already.
|

Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
232
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 18:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
At OP: I hope you succeed, truly.
However I will be placing my isk on the goons.
Have you ever lead a fleet and.or operation of this magnitude before? What makes you think you have even the slightest chance to succeed??? I'm not trolling, just asking. How many dedicated pilots are you hoping to acquire from a post in General Discussion???? How many pilots do you think you'll need??? How many spies do you think you will end up with??? How are you going to coordinate all of this?? Command structure ect?
It's all well and good to say "hey let's all get together and go blow up VFK, we'll use ECM and caps and ****". A lot more difficult to successfully implement.
Good luck.
Also, if/when this goes down, please let me tag along, I'll even bring a ship with guns. I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
193
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 19:01:00 -
[62] - Quote
How about instead of vfk... Go for a system with one of their tech moons? |

AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo
NuclearSpaceFishCapitalism
53
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 19:30:00 -
[63] - Quote
Ten years ago, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune.
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The A-Team.
|

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
193
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 19:40:00 -
[64] - Quote
Yeah, but would ba's fear of planes and flying also lead to a fear of space travel? |

Pax Deltari
Chrome Legion
7
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 19:41:00 -
[65] - Quote
Da faq did I just read? |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
853
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 19:44:00 -
[66] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:- I've never done sov or null warfare before - True, but I gotta start somewhere.
Yeah clearly the best way to learn how to run a sov war is to attack the main hub of the largest alliance in the game that leads the largest coalition eh |

Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
106
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 19:56:00 -
[67] - Quote
We aren't prepared to defend VFK. Please don't attack us any time soon. We're operating somewhere else. |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
45
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 20:03:00 -
[68] - Quote
It is a plan, I'll give you that...
I suspect the original poster will see me as a troll, but you're currently suffering from late stage unconscious incompetence.
You've created a battle plan despite admitting you know nothing of how large, sovereignty battles work. If people followed your plan they would die horribly, presuming they actually reached their destination, which seems unlikely. Moreover, you appear to be under the impression that an effective fighting force in EVE can be assembled by linking to your blog in the game's General Discussion form. Instead, it's utterly ineffective.
My suggestion would be to join a corporation currently engaged in battles against POS. Preferably, a winning one. Learn what strategies and tactics actually work. Gain a leadership position in that corporation and then attempt to form an alliance that can take part of Goon space. Of course, you'd have to worry about Goon spies in whatever alliance you have (very likely) and after you grab that space, you'd need to hold it from Goonswarm (also difficult).
If you're lucky, you'll get a kick the lion situation. Someone sees you successfully capturing a large enough/significant enough amount of Goon space and they try their luck, meaning Goon has to fight more than one battle. Maybe some of Goon's allies are dying to turn on them given the right chance.
What you don't want to do is send a fleet to the heart of Goon space just to be slaughtered. It strengthens their position because even if the fleet is composed of newbies and idiots, that type of crushing defeat makes them look good. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
|

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
855
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 20:05:00 -
[69] - Quote
another armchair general chooses to share his insights eh |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
205
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 20:13:00 -
[70] - Quote
Rath Kelbore wrote:At OP: I hope you succeed, truly. However I will be placing my isk on the goons. Thanks! That is probably sensible though.
Quote:Have you ever lead a fleet and.or operation of this magnitude before? What makes you think you have even the slightest chance to succeed??? 1. I have not. 2. I don't really expect it to work, but I've tried to plan it so it might. Given the general reaction to the plan though, I think my planning abilities leave much to be desired 
Quote: How many dedicated pilots are you hoping to acquire from a post in General Discussion???? How many pilots do you think you'll need??? How many spies do you think you will end up with??? 1. I was hoping for at least 20 direct from the post, with those probably telling other people who don't read the forums about it. I was also hoping to pick up 5 or so via Twitter, who might also tell others. Unfortunately it looks like I'm not going to be anything like that lucky. 2. I estimate 200+ in order to bring down structures in a reasonable timeframe. 3. A **** ton, but the idea is that we won't let the obvious ones in, at least. 
Quote:How are you going to coordinate all of this?? Command structure ect? I intend to create a chat channel, and those who can may want to create a TS3/Vent/Mumble channel if there's sufficient demand. More tactical communication would obviously happen in the fleet channel (movement orders etc. included).
The command structure would be: me in charge to start with, since someone's gotta create the fleet (and it is my plan after all :P), then when I log off, I pick someone who understands the plan and knows what they're doing to take charge. When I get back, they stay in charge. If they have to log off, the same thing should happen, and if all else fails, a guy from the backing alliance gets called in.
Quote:It's all well and good to say "hey let's all get together and go blow up VFK, we'll use ECM and caps and ****". A lot more difficult to successfully implement. Yeah, starting to realise that I did sort-of plan for my lack of nullsec experience by not having the fleet be the ones who do the main fighting, but instead just running vanguard for a proper alliance fleet.
"Good luck.
Also, if/when this goes down, please let me tag along, I'll even bring a ship with guns."
Thanks! And I will. Considering how few people seem interested, I'm glad to have anyone (Goons excepted, obviously) along.
(Sorry about the dodgy quoting, there's a 5-quote limit. Would be better if it was a 5-quote-pyramid limit rather than 5 separate quotes...)
Edit: woops quote fail Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

TheMstrBlstr
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 21:08:00 -
[71] - Quote
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1301
|
Posted - 2012.06.07 23:26:00 -
[72] - Quote
It's probably not been said this clearly, so I will just say it.
Assuming you can "ninja" down all the cyno jammers in VFK there's not a entity in the game that could actually get enough force to flip the sov there (perhaps they would let some random backwater ratting system with no valuable moons slide, but not VFK).
It doesn't matter what plan was executed to take down the jammers, when you try to reinforce Mittanigrad you're going to get a response. If you're not already aware, this won't be on your terms but theirs (you can set it 71hours ahead).
Bare minimum, to start, it takes 3 hours for your SBU's to online, so the surprise is lost before the actual contest has begun.
You will need a few hundred people and somewhere north of a trillion ISK of fleet (trillions, really) to make this happen.
If you honestly think that forms up behind someone who willfully states he has no idea how it works, then :/ - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
250
|
Posted - 2012.06.08 01:48:00 -
[73] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:... Have you led stuff before?... 1. I have not.  2. I don't really expect it to work, but I've tried to plan it so it might. Given the general reaction to the plan though, I think my planning abilities leave much to be desired 
Strictly speaking, this right here means no one should risk anything expensive following your banner, but it's up to them to do what they want. FCing different kinds of fights takes entirely different skills - the sort of practice required to roam through our space is different than what it would take to siege a moon. You're looking for more the latter type of experience.
Jace Errata wrote:... numbers and spies?... 1. I was hoping for at least 20 direct from the post, with those probably telling other people who don't read the forums about it. I was also hoping to pick up 5 or so via Twitter, who might also tell others. Unfortunately it looks like I'm not going to be anything like that lucky. 2. I estimate 200+ in order to bring down structures in a reasonable timeframe. 3. A **** ton, but the idea is that we won't let the obvious ones in, at least. 
Raw numbers only mean so much. 200 High-damage ships would bring down a jammer fairly quickly (you can even calculate exact numbers by using your fleet fit and the jammer's EHP), but you also need to be able to take the field to do this uncontested. This means bringing a doctrine, with the mixed support that makes it strong, and possibly a mix of two doctrines, needed to take control of the field of battle. In this case, it means getting through the gate, out of bubbles, and on-grid with whichever tower has the jammer. Also, just because you cannot drop capitals in doesn't mean you shouldn't expect a few on the defender's side - fighting under a jammer is an interesting experience.
You may want more than 200 to take and hold the field - for boredom relief ops to go kill IRC super cap building POS, we tend to get ~400 mixed sub caps from our various doctrines. They're far from invincible tactics, but they tend to do well against even numbers of most types of sub caps.
Jace Errata wrote: ...organization?...
I intend to create a chat channel, and those who can may want to create a TS3/Vent/Mumble channel if there's sufficient demand. More tactical communication would obviously happen in the fleet channel (movement orders etc. included).
The command structure would be: me in charge to start with, since someone's gotta create the fleet (and it is my plan after all :P), then when I log off, I pick someone who understands the plan and knows what they're doing to take charge. When I get back, they stay in charge. If they have to log off, the same thing should happen, and if all else fails, a guy from the backing alliance gets called in.
Don't expect to get much done without voice comms, and good out of game ones, at that. Having multiple people who understand what they're doing sounds like solid logic. I'd advise using someone who has actually had some experience in larger scale fleets to do actual battle leadership, if you can't get at least a bit of experience before leading this.
Honestly? I wish you the best of luck. i outlined the dominion son system above to make sure you knew what you were getting into. Most of those timers I listed are terrible EHP grinds that really, really want you to field a sizable super cap fleet, or at very least a large Dreadnaught fleet. I'm also listing what to expect, as I was there on defense in my newbie Rifter the last time someone tried to invade VFK. It's still probably the most fun I've had any week in my year of EVE, and I hope for for experiences like it in the future. Pandemic Legion staging right next door, with IRC, NCdot, EVOKE, White Noise, Raiden, and others all chomping at the bit led to a great 1300 man brawl and a lot of protracted fighting. Get organized, get out here, and make some memories. |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
210
|
Posted - 2012.06.24 22:26:00 -
[74] - Quote
I'm gonna call a tentative infiltration start date of next weekend. I do have someone who might be able to provide caps, so this might go better than some people expect. I'll get a chat channel up on Monday if I can, Wednesday if I can't.
- If too few people show up over the weekend and following week, I'll postpone it. Unfortunately I'm liable to lose motivation if it doesn't look like happening, so I'll call it a maximum of three postponements before I just go "**** it" and join FW or something. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
782
|
Posted - 2012.06.24 22:29:00 -
[75] - Quote
Proof this will end well:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11911041 CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2051
|
Posted - 2012.06.24 23:03:00 -
[76] - Quote
Dafaq? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
|
Posted - 2012.06.24 23:30:00 -
[77] - Quote
Because it's always smart to post your war plans on the Internet so they are available for everyone to see. It instills a sense of peace in the person you are targeting for attack and then suddenly No One Expects the Spanish Inquisi...oh, never mind. 
Bring your possibles. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1116
|
Posted - 2012.06.24 23:33:00 -
[78] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:You may want more than 200 to take and hold the field - for boredom relief ops to go kill IRC super cap building POS, we tend to get ~400 mixed sub caps from our various doctrines. They're far from invincible tactics, but they tend to do well against even numbers of most types of sub caps. Drowning in drakes in VFK seems like not the best way to go... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

RAP ACTION HERO
102
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 02:15:00 -
[79] - Quote
christ post it don't blog it |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1116
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 03:13:00 -
[80] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:It's still probably the most fun I've had any week in my year of EVE, and I hope for for experiences like it in the future. Pandemic Legion staging right next door, with IRC, NCdot, EVOKE, White Noise, Raiden, and others all chomping at the bit led to a great 1300 man brawl and a lot of protracted fighting. Get organized, get out here, and make some memories. Which reminds me.
Be careful what POSes you shoot. You might stumble across a tech moon somewhere along the way and trying to reinforce that will not end well either. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1365
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 03:15:00 -
[81] - Quote
Ban Bindy wrote:More attention for Goonswarm is not the answer, but have fun with the fleet while you feed the endless ego. the true answer is to go spacefetal and hope they go away |

Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
175
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 03:23:00 -
[82] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:Presenting Operation: Dread Intrusion, a fleet going to VFK. Yes, it's a blog link. I originally wrote it there, and I'm not dicking around trying to fix the formatting after a copy-paste. - People who fail to read the plan, but post an opinion on it anyway, will be ignored. - People blatantly trolling will be reported for it. If you have a comment on the plan, leave it here, not on the blog, please. It makes it easier to keep all the responses etc. in one place =) o/ Jace
Not trollin but giving them warning... great idea The true answer is to ignore them. Just like CCP is after Sreegs stopped posting lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |

Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
33
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 03:29:00 -
[83] - Quote
To love Goons is to hate Goons is to love Goons.
P.S. terribad pubbi plan or alt goon lawlfest cannot decide. Wasted time either way.
|

Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 03:35:00 -
[84] - Quote
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:The best part will be when this fleet awoxs itself.
you can't really awox your own ship so I doubt that will happen GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
663
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 13:03:00 -
[85] - Quote
Someone please video this event, I have not seen decent comedy in a long time. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
210
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:45:00 -
[86] - Quote
The chat channel is live: Dread Intrusion
Goons are allowed, annoying pricks are not. That might seem mutually exclusive, but Goons can play nice if they want. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Dark Assassin15
Failed Diplomacy
58
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:48:00 -
[87] - Quote
OP, hold your breath i am in route. [img]http://www.invokemethod.com/repo/failedsig.png[/img] |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
210
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:50:00 -
[88] - Quote
Dark Assassin15 wrote:OP, hold your breath i am in route. Don't do anything stupid just yet nothing actually happening until next weekend earliest. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
322
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:52:00 -
[89] - Quote
Kincaid Taron wrote:This is like the Eve version of The Bay of Pigs invasion.
How'd that one turn out?
Bacon  brb |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2064
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:59:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:Dark Assassin15 wrote:OP, hold your breath i am in route. Don't do anything stupid just yet  nothing actually happening until next weekend earliest.
Are you saying to hold onto our stupid until next weekend? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Mons Pubis Giganticus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 04:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
okay here's the plan, let's go get sushi and not pay for it |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
210
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 09:18:00 -
[92] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Jace Errata wrote:Dark Assassin15 wrote:OP, hold your breath i am in route. Don't do anything stupid just yet  nothing actually happening until next weekend earliest. Are you saying to hold onto our stupid until next weekend? Yes. It would have been this weekend, but I had some stuff to do. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Mons Pubis Giganticus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 19:50:00 -
[93] - Quote
i've decided your plan is poorly planned. |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
211
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 21:08:00 -
[94] - Quote
Mons Pubis Giganticus wrote:i've decided your plan is poorly planned. You're going to have to do better that that even I realized it was badly planned before you. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Abominare
The Spawning Pool Team Liquid
15
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 21:14:00 -
[95] - Quote
Uh, thats a lot of worrying about getting to VFK.
Getting in or two VFK isn't really an a problem, I mean really as long as you aren't stupid and land in a torrinos-ec gate camp its pretty smooth sailing. Hell local only gets aroused if you try to camp the station.
It might actually be more dangerous to get to the Eve gate. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1835
|
Posted - 2012.06.26 21:28:00 -
[96] - Quote
I just read the battle plan.
I can't stop smiling. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
211
|
Posted - 2012.06.30 13:20:00 -
[97] - Quote
Bumping because today is the first infiltration start date. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
501
|
Posted - 2012.06.30 14:03:00 -
[98] - Quote
Rath Kelbore wrote:At OP: I hope you succeed, truly.
However I will be placing my isk on the goons.
Have you ever lead a fleet and.or operation of this magnitude before? What makes you think you have even the slightest chance to succeed??? I'm not trolling, just asking. How many dedicated pilots are you hoping to acquire from a post in General Discussion???? How many pilots do you think you'll need??? How many spies do you think you will end up with??? How are you going to coordinate all of this?? Command structure ect?
It's all well and good to say "hey let's all get together and go blow up VFK, we'll use ECM and caps and ****". A lot more difficult to successfully implement.
Good luck.
Also, if/when this goes down, please let me tag along, I'll even bring a ship with guns.
I, too, really like question marks.
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Xavier Holtzman
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
37
|
Posted - 2012.06.30 16:38:00 -
[99] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:
(I do freely admit though, it's not a good plan. Worth a try though.)
If it's not a good plan, it's not worth a try. You need to come up with a better plan.
How is that infiltration working out for you by the way? |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
211
|
Posted - 2012.06.30 16:42:00 -
[100] - Quote
Xavier Holtzman wrote:Jace Errata wrote:
(I do freely admit though, it's not a good plan. Worth a try though.)
If it's not a good plan, it's not worth a try. You need to come up with a better plan. Yeah that's probably not gonna happen. I'm pretty terrible at plans that actually work (brilliant at plans full of tactical jargon though!).
Quote:How is that infiltration working out for you by the way? I don't get on until the evening. I just bumped to remind people (and there's no reason people can't start earlier if they want). Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:18:00 -
[101] - Quote
Do you remember the episode of Star Trek where Picard and crew first encounter the Borg? Where they're walking around inside the cube, confused, while the Borg completely ignore them?
This plan is going to go a lot like that. |

TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
144
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:44:00 -
[102] - Quote
Gorn Arming wrote:Do you remember the episode of Star Trek where Picard and crew first encounter the Borg? Where they're walking around inside the cube, confused, while the Borg completely ignore them?
This plan is going to go a lot like that.
Listen, I managed to get a carrier into VFK-IV. Lasted all of two minutes, as well. This will go better. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |

Garresh
Opposite of Low
6
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:56:00 -
[103] - Quote
Wow...this plan is so epic. I kind of want to swing down and start ganking stealth bombers on their way out there. Seriously, this plan is genius. It's just a giant bait to get highsec carebears to go kill themselves. XD |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1140
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Posted - 2012.06.30 22:07:00 -
[104] - Quote
TheBreadMuncher wrote:Gorn Arming wrote:Do you remember the episode of Star Trek where Picard and crew first encounter the Borg? Where they're walking around inside the cube, confused, while the Borg completely ignore them?
This plan is going to go a lot like that. Listen, I managed to get a carrier into VFK-IV. Lasted all of two minutes, as well. This will go better. Sounds ... like a quick lossmail.
Link? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Xavier Holtzman
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
37
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Posted - 2012.07.01 19:38:00 -
[105] - Quote
Update? Did the plan work? |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
211
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Posted - 2012.07.01 19:44:00 -
[106] - Quote
Xavier Holtzman wrote:Update? Did the plan work? Of course it ******* didn't. I'm in VFK, but there's nobody else in the op channel, and despite there being 64 people in local I'm the only one talking. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
90
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Posted - 2012.07.01 19:47:00 -
[107] - Quote
So disconnected from the reality of what you are trying to engage.
Like a child playing at adults.
So cute. |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
216
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Posted - 2012.07.04 21:53:00 -
[108] - Quote
Well, TBH I was expecting more people to turn up for an event that mainly consists of shooting things. Oh well.
Operation report:
Pilots present: 1 (Jace Errata) Mission status: Failed Goals reached: Cloaked starship in VFK-IV Goals failed: Multiple cloaked starships in VFK-IV, sovereignty disruption, cynosural jammer disruption, cynosural flare deployment, capital/supercapital hotdrop
Comment: Nobody ******* turned up.
End result: Operation abandoned. **** y'all, I'm going to Delve to see what's happening over there. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:09:00 -
[109] - Quote
U mad dude?
Stay zen brb |

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.07.04 22:23:00 -
[110] - Quote
Jace Errata wrote:Well, TBH I was expecting more people to turn up for an event that mainly consists of shooting things. Oh well.
Operation report:
Pilots present: 1 (Jace Errata) Mission status: Failed Goals reached: Cloaked starship in VFK-IV Goals failed: Multiple cloaked starships in VFK-IV, sovereignty disruption, cynosural jammer disruption, cynosural flare deployment, capital/supercapital hotdrop
Comment: Nobody ******* turned up.
End result: Operation abandoned. **** y'all, I'm going to Delve to see what's happening over there.
That post had me in stitches :)
Plan was nuts, but you seem to have been quite a good sport through it. **** it, I'll go with you next time. |
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