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Stu Pendisdick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:38:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:ring mining will already give the ignorant simpleton the ability to mine tech himself without forcing people to go through the mind-numbing tedium of moonscanning
seriously you will never see anyone who has scanned more than 50 moons advocate anything that increases the amount of moon-scanning going on in the game
I have surveyed entire regions.
Obviously I advocate this as it's my post.
So much for your assertion.
I just love people who insist that just because they say it, it must be so.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3255
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:51:00 -
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Stu Pendisdick wrote: It was an example, and it was a valid one and I stand by it.
Nowhere did I claim that you COULD mine both at once, second generation moon miners were never released.
Your nitpicking changes nothing.
no person who knows anything about moon mining would have mentioned techx2, though now you've apparently finally done your homework
you clearly are bullshitting about what you have done and what you know because there is nobody, anywhere, who has scanned "multiple regions" and not wanted to kill someone. when you lie keep it believable |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
557
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Posted - 2012.06.07 14:55:00 -
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Any kind of random redistribution of resources would just lead to the major players taking as much space as possible to increase their odds of a good find. Right now there are plenty of good moons a small corp/alliance can profit from, but not good enough to be worth murdering with a supercap fleet. This would be destroyed, as in your proposed system, whoever controls more space controls more moons controls more good moons earns more income.
If anything the sov system should discourage holding unused space, not promote it as your idea does. |

Singoth
Kronos Fleet
59
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:05:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:this would be like shuffling of security statuses of systems.... pretty funny but not playable at all.... Because you don't know where will you find yourself tomorrow... I'd love that. Less yappin', more zappin'! |

Stu Pendisdick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:11:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Stu Pendisdick wrote: It was an example, and it was a valid one and I stand by it.
Nowhere did I claim that you COULD mine both at once, second generation moon miners were never released.
Your nitpicking changes nothing.
no person who knows anything about moon mining would have mentioned techx2, though now you've apparently finally done your homework you clearly are bullshitting about what you have done and what you know because there is nobody, anywhere, who has scanned "multiple regions" and not wanted to kill someone. when you lie keep it believable
More assertions based on nothing other than personal bias.
Truly astounding.
Definitive and Authoritative statements like "no person this that or the other", and just because YOU say it, it must be a global truth.
Oh my. How large the head, yet small the brain of the narrow and closed minded.
Even more so when their perception of reality is disturbed.
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Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
86
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:21:00 -
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i'd been advocating about this same exact thing for years now. ccp doesnt bother listening.
i wanted all moon goo to be randomly thrown disturbuted every 6 months, lets say every expansion.
make all asteroid belts needing to be scanned down instead of sitting in the same spot every day. this will help even curb botting.
start making EVE a more dynamic universe where you know, you have to explore. it would be a lot better then just pulling up dotlan and being done with it. put the exploration back into the universe. a more dynamic eve would be better then the static thing we have now. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
631
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:55:00 -
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This will fit in well with CCP's latest development theme of adding more eye-clawing tedium to Eve...oh wai...
(you are a drooly) |

Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
12
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:11:00 -
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Goon tears would become a waterfall!! You would need to read the forums with a scooba mask. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3260
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:11:00 -
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Stu Pendisdick wrote: More assertions based on nothing other than personal bias.
I speak with experience that anyone can check. I have managed moon reactor farms, I have orchestrated the scanning of several regions, and I know everything there is to know about the t2 material system. All of this experience is easily verifiable, as I'm the CFO of goonswarm. You, on the other hand, are a noname npc alt who has made serious errors about basic facts of moon mining, poorly lied to cover that up, and have asserted unbelievable and unverifiable claims of experience in response to challenges of your incredibly stupid ideas.
As an actual authority on this issue I can say without fear of contradiction from anyone who actually knows what they're talking about that your claimed experience is a lie, that you have no idea what you're talking about, and are an exceptionally poor liar. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3260
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:14:00 -
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Goonswarm has had people who scanned entire regions by themselves before. In the better part of a decade, in the largest alliance in eve that has always been in 0.0, there are few enough of those people you can count the number of those people on the fingers of one hand. You can count the number of those people who spoke positively about the experience on the fingers of one toe.
A claim that a noname npc alt has scanned "multiple regions" is so hilariously unbelievable that only someone who has never so much as fired a moon probe could believe that was going to fool anyone. |

Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:15:00 -
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Seriously, go probe out a constellation worth of moons, and come back and tell us how long it took. Now go do a region, or six.
I'll see you in a week, if you're made of stern stuff. A month, if you aren't. |

Nefertiri Ra'apharo
Mabad Ilhba Alasw'd
50
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:23:00 -
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What I'd like to see is actual System Security be more dynamic. Here's how I'd envision it: 1.0 and .9 stay the same as thats where the noobs start and where sec is highest - like IRL that's where the Police Station is in your town-- almost nobody's gonna do sh!t right in front of a Police Station. All other sec levels are fluid, but they don't change overnight, it takes a while, many months, the level creeps up or down so pilots have a chance to see the trend and either move or stay. Similar to IRL some neighborhoods that get run down and turn into gang neighborhoods, and some that turn around and become swanky posh communities. For story purposes maybe Concord is working to improve some lowsec areas and that pulls some presence away from higher sec areas making that area to slowly lose sec status...maybe some hi sec space will start to evolve in some corner of 0.0 and some area of .8 space will devolve through low sec and into 0.0 sec and slowly back to hi sec again over the course of many months or a year or more....again like IRL where I don't think there's anyplace where the crime rate stays the same for generations on end, it's fluid. |

Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
232
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:25:00 -
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IDK about op's suggestion but SOMETHING needs to be done with moon mining. I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |

Stu Pendisdick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:25:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Stu Pendisdick wrote: More assertions based on nothing other than personal bias.
I speak with experience that anyone can check. I have managed moon reactor farms, I have orchestrated the scanning of several regions, and I know everything there is to know about the t2 material system. All of this experience is easily verifiable, as I'm the CFO of goonswarm. You, on the other hand, are a noname npc alt who has made serious errors about basic facts of moon mining, poorly lied to cover that up, and have asserted unbelievable and unverifiable claims of experience in response to challenges of your incredibly stupid ideas. As an actual authority on this issue I can say without fear of contradiction from anyone who actually knows what they're talking about that your claimed experience is a lie, that you have no idea what you're talking about, and are an exceptionally poor liar.
First, quote the error. You can't. There isn't one. Only your inability to read and comprehend simple English. Fail "interpretations" are fail.
Second, of course this is an alt. How perspicacious of you.
Third, prove the lie. Again, you can't, because there is none.
Just more gasbag assertions that hold true only in your mind.
I stand by all of my statements, they are all factual, period, and I don't have any desire to "blow my cover" and reveal my main for you and your cohorts, fanbois and other psychopaths to harass.
And lastly, I know for a fact that I am FAR from the only single individual who has managed tower farms alone. I have spent many email session with several other such pilots as we collaborated on efficiency tactics.
So take your "actual authority", and in the words of a certain Dwayne Johnson, " shine it up real nice, turn that sumbitch sideways and shove it straight up your candy ass!"
In the immortal words of Vincent LaGuardia Gambini, " I got no more use for this guy."
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Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:27:00 -
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Eh, well, tbh if you wanted randomized resources or something, CCP could make mineable rogue planets or comets full of resources that appear randomly in systems but move through them and disappear after a short while (if you want to be scientifically accurate, just make them brush the fringe edge, etc)... Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |

Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
283
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:27:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Seriously, go probe out a constellation worth of moons, and come back and tell us how long it took. Now go do a region, or six.
I'll see you in a week, if you're made of stern stuff. A month, if you aren't.
Just so you know what he's getting at here. What you have to do is warp to every moon and do this:
- Uncloak at moon - launch probe - Warp to next moon (Perhaps reload in-between warps) - repeat.
By the end of warping to *all* moons for *all* planets, you should have no longer than 5 mins to wait on the last result (unless you have terrible survey skills).
Did it not so long ago with my alt.
It's more fun than spinning ships, but only just barely.
Oh and survey probes are lost when launched. So grab a bit stock pile of the buggers (it's ok, they are very cheap).
It's certainly something CCP should not worry about when it comes to "whats" on the drawing board. Look at ICE miners. Ouch! They can't even warp about for 10mins per cycle and all they get is 1 ice!
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3263
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:30:00 -
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In other words, although you appeal to your experience and authority to try and disprove what I've said, you've got nothing but your posting - which, in the immortal words of everyone who has seen it, "is horrible". You can't actually discuss mechanics, you can't actually poke holes in anyone else's argument: you can merely try to blindly assert experience you can't even back up with intelligent discussion on the subject. If you had any real experience, you'd be able to do so. Instead you merely poorly lie about your experience, so poorly anyone with actual experience can see right through it. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3263
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:32:00 -
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Spurty wrote: - Uncloak at moon - launch probe - Warp to next moon (Perhaps reload in-between warps) - repeat.
You actually left out a part: you've got to align to the moon. And a not-inconsiderable amount of the time, you miss. You then have to go through your results and figure out what missed.
You then have to actually record all that data, which is in itself a horrible experience. |

adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:32:00 -
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Anything is better than the current system... goons are just here to say it is a bad idea because it will screw up their income...
Once a month would be epic lol and good, people who cry about moon scanning... 9000 person alliance? What forgot about the MMO part of this game? Rather than just listening to a FC rage because you have no targets left... you can listen to the FC rage because someone forgot to scan a moon =D
Need to WORK for this isk... |

Stu Pendisdick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:38:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Seriously, go probe out a constellation worth of moons, and come back and tell us how long it took. Now go do a region, or six.
I'll see you in a week, if you're made of stern stuff. A month, if you aren't.
What is it with you goons?
You have the biggest superiority complexes I've ever seen.
A constellation is a mere evening's work.
I did the entire Solitude region from pillar to post in a shade over a week in a Viator, while at war.
Like I said, it was no big deal. I still have the paper notebook I wrote the results in, showing moon goo status as well as any POS structures and defenses.
Just because *YOU* think it is hard, or not worth the effort, or whatever you want, doesn't mean that your opinion is globally applicable.
Or, let e guess.........you are doing it wrong?
Sure, if a fool were to go one probe at a time, using slow-assed Quest probes, it would take the pain, but who is that stupid?
A belly full of Gazes and run from moon to moon, firing as you go, collect the results at the end of the run.
This ain't rocket science, no matter how much you guys try and fool others into thinking that it is.
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Stu Pendisdick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:42:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Spurty wrote: - Uncloak at moon - launch probe - Warp to next moon (Perhaps reload in-between warps) - repeat.
You actually left out a part: you've got to align to the moon. A nd a not-inconsiderable amount of the time, you miss. You then have to go through your results and figure out what missed. You then have to actually record all that data, which is in itself a horrible experience.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!!!!!!!
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just tipped your own hand. Authority my ass.
Unless you haven't shot a moon probe since alignment was added, but as such an "authority", you would have known that.
Aligning GUARANTEES the probe shot unless you are so utterly impatient that you can't wait for it to be proper..........
Thanks for showing who the REAL liar is.
Now I really AM done with this guy!
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
"miss", he says....................
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3264
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:45:00 -
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You claim to have used a viator, which - again - is a basic error any moon scanner would have known about. A viator does not have two highslots, so it cannot fit a cloak and a probe launcher. You can only use a prowler if you're trying to use a blockade runner. I mean come on man, you just keep shooting yourself in the foot and everyone's going to catch that.
And yes: you miss. Moon scanning, being a horrible soul-destroying thing, causes you to naturally start trying to speed things up when you're on moon 200. You're going to get impatient, fire off a probe early by mistake, and miss. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1099
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:49:00 -
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lmfao moon probed in a viator
get out with this stupid idea |

Stu Pendisdick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:51:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:You claim to have used a viator, which - again - is a basic error any moon scanner would have known about. A viator does not have two highslots, so it cannot fit a cloak and a probe launcher. You can only use a prowler if you're trying to use a blockade runner. I mean come on man, you just keep shooting yourself in the foot and everyone's going to catch that.
And yes: you miss. Moon scanning, being a horrible soul-destroying thing, causes you to naturally start trying to speed things up when you're on moon 200. You're going to get impatient, fire off a probe early by mistake, and miss.
MORE assumptions.
Who said I cloaked?
Go away.
You have already shown yourself to be a laughingstock.
Now you are showing a lack of skill in avoiding POS locks and adversaries.
"miss", he says............
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
Yeah. Only impatient morons who have their own delusions as to what others find acceptable play.
Nice try at a cover.
BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!
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pussnheels
403
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:52:00 -
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my opinion it would make 0,0 sec more alive if they actually deplete every few months Sure it will not bring t2 prices down , opposite even but right now if you look at 0,0 secall moons been distributed between the great alliances and there is little left to fight over ; just a see of blue out there if you belong to ne of them I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3264
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:55:00 -
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Stu Pendisdick wrote: Who said I cloaked?
I did, because that's the only good reason to use a blockade runner when moon probing. Otherwise, you use a disposable ship like a cruiser or something with a decent cargohold, but costs you 5m. You keep making basic errors and trying to bluster your way out of them, but very poorly. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3264
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:56:00 -
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"I used an expensive t2 ship that is utterly unfit for the job but sounds like it would be to someone with no idea what they're talking about. That doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, that means I'm an idiot"
That's a fine defense you've got there. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
632
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:56:00 -
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This thread is a prime example of why we took the CSM from hisec players and are never giving it back. Bleat on, oh uninformed and powerless ones. |

Stu Pendisdick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:27:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Stu Pendisdick wrote: Who said I cloaked?
I did, because that's the only good reason to use a blockade runner when moon probing. Otherwise, you use a disposable ship like a cruiser or something with a decent cargohold, but costs you 5m. You keep making basic errors and trying to bluster your way out of them, but very poorly.
Again, pushing your own view on how to play on others.
You really don't get it, do you?
I am beginning to feel a certain pity for you, actually.
Seriously, goodbye.
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Iture
Dead Space Alpha Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:38:00 -
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As someone who has scanned a regions worth of moons. 1 month is faaar too frequent. Very little in eve is as boring as scanning moons. Or as click intensive.
Every 6 to 18 months would be better.
With a moon guaranteed not to deplete in 6 months, but the deposit may last up to a year and a half before cycling. that would be much better, add a sense of desperation when moons start failing.
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