I can think of about 4 or 5 other threads explaining how it's an idiotic idea, so no need to repeat it here.

I can think of about 4 or 5 other threads explaining how it's an idiotic idea, so no need to repeat it here.

There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.

........It would entice more pvp though as you'll have smaller alliances discovering a tech moon in one of there systems then either trying to hide it or getting found out and getting the boot. The drama would be epic

There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.

I don't think this is the answer to the goal you seek. There's a difference between sparking pvp conflicts and forcing alliances to upend their poses and all their equipment and move every few months. The logistics would suck and no doubt the grunts would get sick of moving their crap from station to station. Part of the reward for null is staking out a home and being secure in the knowledge you're going to hold it for the forseeable future.

I personally ran a dozen large towers BY MYSELF, including mining the damned ice, for almost a year.

It wasn't that farkin bad.

I don't think this is the answer to the goal you seek. There's a difference between sparking pvp conflicts and forcing alliances to upend their poses and all their equipment and move every few months. The logistics would suck and no doubt the grunts would get sick of moving their crap from station to station. Part of the reward for null is staking out a home and being secure in the knowledge you're going to hold it for the forseeable future.

I think it 'could' work, but a month is much too short a time span for alliances, considering that they will have to spend time taking the moon and settign up infrastructure afterwards. It simple wont be profitable for most, and so (imo) worsen the stagnant situation.

Now, make it so the shuffle takes place every...6 months? Possibly even 12 months would be more likely. You have to take in to consideration that after each shuffle, the moons will have to be rescanned to find where the materials are, which takes a lot of time, not including moving infrastructre.

I see your point and concede.

How about a reshuffle at every "expansion" ?

Never trust people who don't hate POS mechanics.

Sadly those people in those threads are the idiots

And so you still could, and most likely should, in the form of a nice outpost or what have you, but having your "home" sitting on a perpetual ISK printing machine is a bit much.

*THAT* should have to be constantly chased down.

Secure in the knowledge that you are going to hold the territory for the future - sounds like there is very little risk left in null sec for the big boys. I thought null sec was all about the risk. Apparently not.

I'm being sarcastic of course. How much risk does a 9000+ member alliance actually face in this game? Very little. The supposed risk versus reward system is in fact meaningless in the game. The big boys have all decided that high sec is their future, and that stirring up trouble in high sec is the real end game of Eve. Their nice little suburbs in null sec are basically untouchable except by another monster alliance.

This game is now like playing chess with all of IBM, and the next opponent up is Microsoft. The little player can't compete. Good job there, sandbox.

Ah, the necessary Goonswarm Though Police swoops in with the usual charm and grace. The rest of us are knuckle draggers. So begins another day in the wonderful sandbox of Eve. Oh mighty Goon master, please forgive us for discussing ideas that you in your infinite wisdom do no wish us to consider.

Ahh, another proponent of all profit, no effort.

I personally ran a dozen large towers BY MYSELF, including mining the damned ice, for almost a year.

It wasn't that farkin bad.

If this was true then you'd know that you can't mine two of the same resource (tech, in the example you gave) from the same moon.

ring mining will already give the ignorant simpleton the ability to mine tech himself without forcing people to go through the mind-numbing tedium of moonscanning

seriously you will never see anyone who has scanned more than 50 moons advocate anything that increases the amount of moon-scanning going on in the game

It was an example, and it was a valid one and I stand by it.

Nowhere did I claim that you COULD mine both at once, second generation moon miners were never released.

Your nitpicking changes nothing.

this would be like shuffling of security statuses of systems.... pretty funny but not playable at all.... Because you don't know where will you find yourself tomorrow...

no person who knows anything about moon mining would have mentioned techx2, though now you've apparently finally done your homework

you clearly are bullshitting about what you have done and what you know because there is nobody, anywhere, who has scanned "multiple regions" and not wanted to kill someone. when you lie keep it believable

More assertions based on nothing other than personal bias.

I speak with experience that anyone can check. I have managed moon reactor farms, I have orchestrated the scanning of several regions, and I know everything there is to know about the t2 material system. All of this experience is easily verifiable, as I'm the CFO of goonswarm. You, on the other hand, are a noname npc alt who has made serious errors about basic facts of moon mining, poorly lied to cover that up, and have asserted unbelievable and unverifiable claims of experience in response to challenges of your incredibly stupid ideas.

As an actual authority on this issue I can say without fear of contradiction from anyone who actually knows what they're talking about that your claimed experience is a lie, that you have no idea what you're talking about, and are an exceptionally poor liar.

Seriously, go probe out a constellation worth of moons, and come back and tell us how long it took. Now go do a region, or six.

I'll see you in a week, if you're made of stern stuff. A month, if you aren't.

- Uncloak at moon
- launch probe
- Warp to next moon (Perhaps reload in-between warps)
- repeat.

Seriously, go probe out a constellation worth of moons, and come back and tell us how long it took. Now go do a region, or six.

I'll see you in a week, if you're made of stern stuff. A month, if you aren't.

You actually left out a part: you've got to align to the moon. And a not-inconsiderable amount of the time, you miss. You then have to go through your results and figure out what missed.

You then have to actually record all that data, which is in itself a horrible experience.

You claim to have used a viator, which - again - is a basic error any moon scanner would have known about. A viator does not have two highslots, so it cannot fit a cloak and a probe launcher. You can only use a prowler if you're trying to use a blockade runner. I mean come on man, you just keep shooting yourself in the foot and everyone's going to catch that.

And yes: you miss. Moon scanning, being a horrible soul-destroying thing, causes you to naturally start trying to speed things up when you're on moon 200. You're going to get impatient, fire off a probe early by mistake, and miss.

Who said I cloaked?

I did, because that's the only good reason to use a blockade runner when moon probing. Otherwise, you use a disposable ship like a cruiser or something with a decent cargohold, but costs you 5m. You keep making basic errors and trying to bluster your way out of them, but very poorly.

Again, pushing your own view on how to play on others.

You really don't get it, do you?

I am beginning to feel a certain pity for you, actually.

Seriously, goodbye.

lmfao moon probed in a viator

get out with this stupid idea

There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.

I don't know why I keep finding myself surprised at the lack of effort I see on these forums. Someone comes up with an idea and because it would require fixing a separate boring/broken mechanic they want to give up.

If changing how moon mining works causes more moon probing to be done then change moon probing too be more intuitive and rewarding. Who cares how many broken things need to be fixed. Saying, "Don't change moon minerals spawn/whatever because we would have to use some boring broken mechanic." is just dumb.

Stop giving up so easy people!

moon mineral rotation is the dumbest idea ever

there are 3,960 systems where you can mine moons and they have 171,799 moons between them

hope you enjoy 10x price spikes for every t2 hull/mod

I don't know why I keep finding myself surprised at the lack of effort I see on these forums. Someone comes up with an idea and because it would require fixing a separate boring/broken mechanic they want to give up.

If changing how moon mining works causes more moon probing to be done then change moon probing too be more intuitive and rewarding. Who cares how many broken things need to be fixed. Saying, "Don't change moon minerals spawn/whatever because we would have to use some boring broken mechanic." is just dumb.

Stop giving up so easy people!

Why not have the deposits in a moon slowly dry up over time? Once the moon is drained, the source is moved to a different moon somewhere in the corresponding security status, but not near the same region so it'll have to be found all over again. You can just say the probe hit a different part of the moon where this resource is far more abundant than previously thought.

Eh, well, tbh if you wanted randomized resources or something, CCP could make mineable rogue planets or comets full of resources that appear randomly in systems but move through them and disappear after a short while (if you want to be scientifically accurate, just make them brush the fringe edge, etc)...

No, it's still a terrible idea. I think pretty much all goons would much rather have all or the majority of moon materials moved to mineable belts.

I speak with experience that anyone can check. I have managed moon reactor farms, I have orchestrated the scanning of several regions, and I know everything there is to know about the t2 material system. All of this experience is easily verifiable, as I'm the CFO of goonswarm. You, on the other hand, are a noname npc alt who has made serious errors about basic facts of moon mining, poorly lied to cover that up, and have asserted unbelievable and unverifiable claims of experience in response to challenges of your incredibly stupid ideas.

As an actual authority on this issue I can say without fear of contradiction from anyone who actually knows what they're talking about that your claimed experience is a lie, that you have no idea what you're talking about, and are an exceptionally poor liar.

To be fair it's a better idea then OP's one, but still really bad. I'm sure a wormhole-dweller could relate to resisting any suggestion of arbitrary online-offlining of dozens, if not hundreds of towers across several regions. You guys get exasperated over maintaining POSs in one system.

Sort of a resource depletion concept, but more nasty.

Every month, the database would shuffle randomly the moon goo distribution through out the entirety of New Eden.

Today you have Tech x 2 on your moon, next month you've got carbon, or worse, nothing at all. The month after you'd find yourself swimming in Promethium .

I think it would go a long way towards promoting active PvP and discouraging the nap fests currently found.

It would also keep any dominant alliance from becoming fat and lazy. Constantly chasing a moving target............

It would also solve the "sovereignty mechanics" arguments if you look at it the right way.

No point in holding systems in perpetuity due to the ever-shifting sands of fortune.

Get rid of the Sov requirements altogether.

A wide open free-for-all.

Oh, the carnage!

this would be like shuffling of security statuses of systems.... pretty funny but not playable at all.... Because you don't know where will you find yourself tomorrow...

There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.

I personally want this to happen. More balance, more people have chance to gain this little jackot. Alliances like goons cant just play the game with no consequence.

Please CCP this needs to be done ASAP

What would happen if they were simply evenly distributed over New Eden?

There is a problem with tech being so centralized. The old P/D bottleneck had some moons everywhere, but some regions much richer than others. Scalding Pass had its like three r64s, while Esoteria had like 16-20. So you had a nice curve of region value.

Now, it's simply binary: technetium region: insane isk/nontechnetium region: worthless

The primary thing that's ****** about tech is that it's so strongly regional. R64s as the bottleneck gives you a much better state of affairs in nullsec.

Much may not be scientifically believable, in the EVE universe... But the shuffling of moons seems a bit too fuzzy to be called logic.

CCP mixing up the building requirements shifting the bottleneck to a R32 indeed doesn't make a lot of sense. If wonder if adding some alchemy recipes would be enough to at least fix this mistake?

IMHO there is nothing wrong with a nice bottleneck, but Tech seems to have been a bad choice for various reasons.

Everyone who supports this has never done alliance logistics.

**** everything about having to tear down/setup towers on a monthly basis not to mention the never ending moon scanning in your territory. Asking people to tear down towers because where once platinum existed is now technetium. Or tear down their reaction farm, research pos, or jump bridge pos because suddenly a moon resource needs to be mined there.

"choice"

WOLOLOLOL

Any dev who tells you the tech bottleneck was intentional is a ******* liar.

Been there done that and yes it is work but hey, after a few days it's all good. MAOR TEARS!

There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.

Eve is hard, right? Isn't that what you guys are constantly enspousing? Do you need a cookie and a hug?

Shuffling would be cruel, I think, but amusing to my sadistic impulses. However, I think that, in accordance with the whole risk vs reward, Eve has consequences mindset, Tech moons should be exclusive to losec only. You want it, you have to fight for it, on a daily basis if needs be. Losec represents the section of space where the greatest risks are taken everyday, why shouldn't it possess the greatest rewards as well?

You can argue nulsec should possess such an honor, but frankly, once you amass huge chunks of real estate, well...even a toon from a large alliance admitted that their backyard is beyond safe.

Of course you'll hear that from those with a vested interest in the status quo.

I've a feeling that they are in the minority by a large margin.

I'm kind of enjoying how all of these people who have never setup a POS or gone through the pain of a full region scan are wanting people in nullsec to do it just because it hurts "Us goonies".

I have zero vested interest in moons, but I have had to scan moons & do all the pos stuff. It's a ****** job & I think most people who do it would rather subject themselves to electro-testicle torture.

too bad mittenz is a drunk...

for if he was still in csm then you guys would know about the pos revamp for winter expansion...

silly goons...

Everyone who supports this has never done alliance logistics.

**** everything about having to tear down/setup towers on a monthly basis not to mention the never ending moon scanning in your territory. Asking people to tear down towers because where once platinum existed is now technetium. Or tear down their reaction farm, research pos, or jump bridge pos because suddenly a moon resource needs to be mined there.

too bad mittenz is a drunk...

for if he was still in csm then you guys would know about the pos revamp for winter expansion...

silly goons...

We have an entire team dedicated to each task: And the burnout on both are absolutely ridiculous. Because it's not fun. There's no little game you can play in your head to make it fun. Ratting is more entertaining. Mining is more interactive and engaging. Maintaining POS and JB networks is ******* grueling for the people doing it. And shooting through systems moon scanning is ugh. I lasted a week in our moon recon division and I barely got anything done.

This thread needs more utterly clueless, hisec mouthbreathers weighing in on nullsec mechanics and gameplay.

You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.

You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.

I don't think this is the answer to the goal you seek. There's a difference between sparking pvp conflicts and forcing alliances to upend their poses and all their equipment and move every few months. The logistics would suck and no doubt the grunts would get sick of moving their crap from station to station. Part of the reward for null is staking out a home and being secure in the knowledge you're going to hold it for the forseeable future.

dumb goonie, learn your place!

(It's nowhere)

We have an entire team dedicated to each task: And the burnout on both are absolutely ridiculous. Because it's not fun. There's no little game you can play in your head to make it fun. Ratting is more entertaining. Mining is more interactive and engaging. Maintaining POS and JB networks is ******* grueling for the people doing it. And shooting through systems moon scanning is ugh. I lasted a week in our moon recon division and I barely got anything done.

Get rid of the Sov requirements altogether.

You pubbies sure do get mad when people come up with logical reasons why your ideas are pants on head stupid. It's almost like you are more upset at the person than the message.

Oh wait I'm a goon. Duuuuuuh.

Oh, the youthful innocence.

Null-sec sovereignty is never guaranteed for any period of time. The day that you move into your captured outpost is the day that you should have finalized and executed on your plans for being assaulted by an even bigger fish.

Null-sec is more fluid than you may realize and thus is healthier to think of it as a spce for nomadic life. Be ready to pick up your tent stakes at any point in time and you will have a much easier go of things.

See you out there, Space Cowboy.

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While I think the idea of fixing the Tech problem by just making these moons hop all over the galaxy is beyond ridiculous, and scanning moons shouldn't be such a drag, the fact that most moons have been scanned and uploaded to Dotlan for everybody to see (stupid idiots giving away valuable information for free) makes moon-scanning a dead profession by now, which is total waste.

Your right we are just ignoring you because your a dumb goonsie and no one loves you.

I personally think forcing nullsec into a more coordinated move would force more value vs space as opposed to the current null sec stranded of Rat here mine here pvp here.

Null-sec sovereignty is never guaranteed for any period of time. The day that you move into your captured outpost is the day that you should have finalized and executed on your plans for being assaulted by an even bigger fish.

Null-sec is more fluid than you may realize and thus is healthier to think of it as a spce for nomadic life. Be ready to pick up your tent stakes at any point in time and you will have a much easier go of things.

See you out there, Space Cowboy.

I don't know. If you look for changes on the maps where the Tech moons are, it are mostly just some minor alliances being pushed around and some skirmishing by the bigger coalitions, but not many major changes over the years.

And until recently the same could be said for the DRF.

I don't know. If you look for changes on the maps where the Tech moons are, it are mostly just some minor alliances being pushed around and some skirmishing by the bigger coalitions, but not many major changes over the years.

And until recently the same could be said for the DRF.

Point of order: Those dotlan maps are way inaccurate for moon minerals. Our scanning teams found a lot more tech than dotlan and even stolen maps from previous occupants have turned up. With that in mind a thorough scan should be the first thing one does in any new region.

here's the other hilarious thing about dumb pubbie logic

we're telling you it's horrible and nobody will do it and we clearly have the best capability to do it

when it's soul-destroying to do this who on earth can compete with us? we'd wind up even better off, just with a few members burnt right the **** out

Could it be... misinformation?!

You've just restored a big portion of my appreciation for my fellow EVE-players!

I don't know. If you look for changes on the maps where the Tech moons are, it are mostly just some minor alliances being pushed around and some skirmishing by the bigger coalitions, but not many major changes over the years.

And until recently the same could be said for the DRF.

But the CFC is the only one standing at the door like a upset child going " NO dont touch my income i need it to reimburse struff wahh"

There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.

No we aren't idiot. Nerf tech all you want. Don't make it a ******* chore to mine for whatever exists though.

No we aren't idiot. Nerf tech all you want. Don't make it a ******* chore to mine for whatever exists though.

I also really enjoy the ironic calls to "HTFU" with respect to soul-crushing tedium, once again demonstrating an abject failure to grasp the spirit of that saying in Eve.

Matter of fact you do that you act like a massive douche on the forums and then wonder why there is so much negative publicity towards you lot.

Matter of fact you do that you act like a massive douche on the forums and then wonder why there is so much negative publicity towards you lot.

you sure every time a change is ever mentioned it is a goon who is the first one to start tears. I am sure if the announced all moon goo drops randomly from kills goons would be first one here going this sucks why do you hate null sec mean while acting is a very hateful manner.


Matter of fact you do that you act like a massive douche on the forums and then wonder why there is so much negative publicity towards you lot.

Yes there is it is publicity that negatively affects your public opinion

I am sure the sex offenders is a prime example of this

Wow

That's just blatantly untrue. Like you can go look at timestamped maps for yourself.

Don't talk about subjects you know nothing about.

You do realize we were pretty strong about two years ago when we were dirt poor right? Does it shock you that one of the largest presences in nullsec will be the loudest people to complain when you talk about messing it up for all of us? The other largest unified group in nullsec is Russian and likely isn't even reading this.

And the enemies we do have literally have hategrudges against us and would do anything to hurt us: Yet they aren't chiming in with support for your idea.

Huh.

I tell you what. I'll stop being a douche on the forums the same day you stop posting like a chimpanzee eating chips off of a keyboard.

Changing colors and fancy alliances names over the years doesn't mean the biggest players actually controlling the Tech have changed nearly as much.

This just in: Killing people in eve, possibly the same as raping babies.

And you lot call us crazy.

Funny how there are more Goons posting than anyone else...

Yeah show how much you dont care

While I think the idea of fixing the Tech problem by just making these moons hop all over the galaxy is beyond ridiculous, and scanning moons shouldn't be such a drag, the fact that most moons have been scanned and uploaded to Dotlan for everybody to see (stupid idiots giving away valuable information for free) makes moon-scanning a dead profession by now, which is total waste.

It'd be pretty cool to have moons randomly accumulate exhaustible 'meteorite' deposits over time on top of their base supply of moongoo. That and adding moongoo to W-space but with only a 5% base yield of K-space. Good luck mapping those :P

Ofcourse that would require first updating the dreadfull moon-scanning snooze-fest.

Never trust people who don't hate POS mechanics.

Why not just add enough moongoo to wormholes to balance out any sort of cartel?

Wormholes being how they are, no cartel could really hold them and the null-sec moons too. So you have a big chunk that nullsec alliances could fight over, and enough spread out in the wormholes to keep the market from being completely strangled.

We have an entire team dedicated to each task: And the burnout on both are absolutely ridiculous. Because it's not fun. There's no little game you can play in your head to make it fun. Ratting is more entertaining. Mining is more interactive and engaging. Maintaining POS and JB networks is ******* grueling for the people doing it. And shooting through systems moon scanning is ugh. I lasted a week in our moon recon division and I barely got anything done.

Man, I would have paid more attention in class if the professor had alternated between being informative and relentlessly mocking morons. Thanks, weaselior!

ring mining will already give the ignorant simpleton the ability to mine tech himself without forcing people to go through the mind-numbing tedium of moonscanning

seriously you will never see anyone who has scanned more than 50 moons advocate anything that increases the amount of moon-scanning going on in the game

I tell you what. I'll stop being a douche on the forums the same day you stop posting like a chimpanzee eating chips off of a keyboard.

We'll see.

Perhaps if those that have scanned 50 moons don't like it, it's a good idea after all..

If moon goo is always changing how would any alliance that what to conquer space know where to strike?

When the guys who are so spergy the Incursion runners and mining fleet foremen make fun of them for their incredible love of spreadsheets say something is boring and unfun for anyone, anywhere, well...

It probably is.

What is Alzion in this thread?

"GRRRR GUYS YOU NEED TO BE WITHIN .23 KILOMETERS OF THE PORT ON MY GUNS OR WE ARE NOT AT OPTIMAL ISK PER HOUR"

High voltage testicular electrocution is more fun.

Marlona, please read this post. This is what would happen with shuffling moons.

Say this after you've actually maintained a network of POS.

You assume moon probing would stay the same crap mechanic it is now.

Since the OP didn't suggest anything about changing moon probing in his original proposition, or followup replies - his proposal was reviewed as such. What about this is hard for you to grasp?

Since the OP didn't suggest anything about changing moon probing in his original proposition, or followup replies - his proposal was reviewed as such. What about this is hard for you to grasp?

not only was it not included but our "i scanned several regions in my viator, really" friend stated explicitly it does not need to be changed

Is this what it's like moderating D&D? Being a mental giant amongst midgets?

There's no such thing as negative publicity.

Oh, so they can use their large numbers to mine it out even faster? Fantastic idea.

You shoulda mentioned this to that guy who was whining a while back about being called a cyber bully.

Who was that again?