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TechDealer	Posted - 2009.09.28 04:03:00 - [1] after playing 5 day on this game i have already lost 6 ships cause of the mission being unclear if i am really able to do it or not.... i mean if you are in a noob area why do you set mission difficult for us to do.... i mean if is too challenging as least give warning or something... set a lvl indication or something... i almost go bankrupt cause of buying new ships, weapons and training skill cause i thought a better upgrade will be better but still i fail the mission...the final thing is the tutorial mission is really not clear i mean i didn't even know after finishing the 30 mission i am suppose to go arnon "if i spell it right". the tutorial is too lengthy newbie will most prob just skip and no read it. another is the mission info is also not clear.. like one mission i am suppose to find a pirate but when i reach the way point i see no gate or any pirate...ending up i spend like 5 hours flying around the system just to find this pirate but still fail to finding it....so this game is definately newbie unfriendly unless you got some one to guide you thru the whole game...
Horchan Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.28 04:05:00 - [2] Is it already that time of week again? --- DesuSigs
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.28 04:09:00 - [3] I think it's that time of the week again Originally by: Hamshoe Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.28 04:43:00 - [4] Seems to come around quicker each week. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Krinthe Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.09.28 05:23:00 - [5] Should I even attempt to try and help this person? He didnt really ask any questions, just forum rage posting. Well....I'll at least say this much dude. You are correct, its not a newb friendly game, but you are incorrect on all other points of your rage post. Try to pay more attention to what it is your doing and try to remember, this is a SANDBOX game, either you put forth the effort to learn it or you will continue to be confused, quit and go back to your other carebear-hold my hand MMO. A 10th of all I earn I keep for myself.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures	Posted - 2009.09.28 05:25:00 - [6] Since Valkanar's thread is back on page one, I'm calling troll. And a bad one at that. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
TechDealer	Posted - 2009.09.28 05:36:00 - [7] yeah i did ask question asking and got help from ppl in game... all have different ideas... like fighting enemy from a right range for ur missile to hit while just far enough to avoid their turrets etc... while another give an idea of orbiting around the target but with 12 ship swaming at me how am i suppose to do that?? anyway i gave up mission and decided to do some mining...but is really slow and boring. then i thought of doing some stock investment or trading will this be viable for newbie area?
Wendi Watson	Posted - 2009.09.28 05:56:00 - [8] How about learning to write complete sentences with proper capitalization and proper punctuation and spacing, as opposed to the current run-on sentence wall of text?
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2009.09.28 06:29:00 - [9] I'll take a stab at actually helping this fellow. First of all, you need to understand EVE and its inhabitants. Know that the tutorials and new player experience is better today than it has been at any point the last six years, and that many people you ask for help had to walk for fifty miles in the snow without a map just to reach their tutorial agents. Also know that EVE is a game that will punish you hard for screwing up. You losing ships is probably giving you more of a genuine EVE experience than many noobs get (in fact, after the next expansion, one branch of the tutorials will have new players being killed by the game). Now for the help. If you're having trouble with missions, it helps immensely if you can give us the name of that mission. If you have the name, you can look it up here for a tactical analysis. Missions do actually have a level indication. The agent you get the mission from will have a level next to his name, a quality (and an effective quality, which you will see when you talk to him). The agent level will tell you what class of missions will be served (Levels 1 through 5 - 1=frigates, 2=cruisers, 3=battlecruisers, 4=battleships, 5=Hard). The quality of the agent tells you how valuable the missions they give will be, and more valuable generally involves more enemies. Though I have to say I'm confused as to how you have apparently finished 30-something missions but sound as if you're unable to warp to a mission's deadspace pocket. -----
Ikkawan	Posted - 2009.09.28 09:55:00 - [10] I just thought I'd give the op some the lesons that I learnt when I started running missions an kept loosing my ships. Maybe they'll be of some help. If things get too hot in a mission, dont forget that you can warp out! But dont forget it takes time to align. If you are in a frigate, they have really low hull hit points, dont rely on your hull tanking any damage. You need to be pushing that warp button no later than 75% through your armour. Dont fly "gung-ho" into battle. If you get the chance, use the tactical display and look for small groups of ships that you can destroy without aggroing everything. Be aware of the optimal range of your guns. Its very important. If your targets are under your optimal range, your dps will falloff quite rapidly, so try to keep your targets at optimal range or no further off than your (optimal range + falloff range). There's nothing wrong with warping back to the station on changing the fittings on the ship to better suit the mission. I often have warped into a mission with artillery fitted, only to find that I warped right into the middle of the npcs. Artillery are really poor at close range ( their tracking speeds are low ).I dont even bother trying to fight them. So warp back to the station and fit autocannon. Just a few of the things I've learnt, which have certainly worked for me. Ikka
Tranka Verrane Angelic Industries	Posted - 2009.09.28 11:07:00 - [11] OK: I don't believe the OP will make use of this because I think this is another of those cases where Eve is just weeding out those who will never get it, but for the sake of anyone else I will attempt to answer: Originally by: TechDealer after playing 5 day on this game i have already lost 6 ships cause of the mission being unclear if i am really able to do it or not.... Missions will never be clear whether you can do it. This is a game. Not everything is down to your ship. It isn't fly and forget. If you can't do it, it may be down to your ability. Quote: i mean if you are in a noob area why do you set mission difficult for us to do.... There are no noob areas. There is higher and lower security space, that's all. Quote: i mean if is too challenging as least give warning or something... set a lvl indication or something... Missions are well flagged as to level. Level one missions are all completable with less than a weeks worth of skills and the right ship and fittings, all of which are very cheap. Quote: i almost go bankrupt cause of buying new ships, weapons and training skill cause i thought a better upgrade will be better but still i fail the mission... They would need to be the right ship (one will do!) weapons and skills. If you have bought the wrong ones it isn't the games' fault. Quote: the final thing is the tutorial mission is really not clear i mean i didn't even know after finishing the 30 mission i am suppose to go arnon "if i spell it right". You aren't. The epic arc that starts at Arnon is a bridge from levels one to two. It is something to do when you start getting bored of level one missions, not whilst you are still struggling with them. Quote: the tutorial is too lengthy newbie will most prob just skip and no read it. Am I to understand from this that you skipped it? If so this is why you are having troubles. The tutorials are exactly the minimum length they need to be. Eve is a complex game and if you don't have the patience to do the tutorials you might as well stop now and cease wasting your time and ours. Quote: another is the mission info is also not clear.. like one mission i am suppose to find a pirate but when i reach the way point i see no gate or any pirate...ending up i spend like 5 hours flying around the system just to find this pirate but still fail to finding it.... There about a thousand mission guides, and people who will point you at them, or help you with them, if you are confused about something. How can you be on the web and not think of using Google, for heaven's sake? Quote: so this game is definately newbie unfriendly unless you got some one to guide you thru the whole game... The game is very newbie friendly, way more so than when i started. But yes, it is much easier if someone helps you through it. That is by design, not accident. This is a multiplayer game. Talk to people if you get stuck, or search for things other people have already said. Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
Phredator Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.28 11:45:00 - [12] I don't understand how you have lost so many ships. I've been playing for about two months and have run maybe 200 missions and lost one ship. ??? When you get in trouble, warp out and heal, then warp back in and deal. --------------------------------------------- "Better to burn than rot." -Megan Cady from CJ Cherryh's 'Hellburner'
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.28 13:46:00 - [13] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 28/09/2009 13:53:43 It's amazing that the rest of us made it so far. Heck, I had 3 paid accounts after about a month, since I love this game so much. To date I've lost: Kestrel (bad luck), Heron (over confidence), Drake (over confidence), Retriever (bad luck). I do level 4 missions these days, and have a POS in lawless 0.0 w-space. I think I'm at around 7 months. Missions the easy way: fit an afterburner, long range weapons (railguns, artillery, beam lasers, guided missiles), long range ammo (iron charge, carbonized lead, radio crystals, light missiles), and just kite stuff around while you destroy it from your max weapon range. With the worst T1 module and level 2 weapon skills, you should have a max range of over 20 km. Most NPC frigates and cruisers can't shoot that far with their turrets, but you will get hit by the odd light missile. If you have better skills and better equipment, stay as far away as you can.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.09.28 13:55:00 - [14] Op, if you insure your ships at platinum level you make more than you need to replace your ship. You should know that by now. Do the tutorials again but this time don't skip any part and don't rush, they are all important. There is a short one and three longer ones. Reset them in the options menu (push escape) and try again. This game is easy for new players to get into since the tutorial revamp. Your not paying attention.
AvaAlt	Posted - 2009.09.28 14:13:00 - [15] wall of text and rage hits you perfectly, wrecking for facepalming damage.
TechDealer	Posted - 2009.09.28 14:36:00 - [16] yeah thanks for the advice of combat and the facepalms. anyway i am sticking to mining now dun think i will do mission for awhile till my skills are good enough and i have more money for better ships and weapon... argh the sound of mining is irritating me turning off sound now....
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.09.28 14:42:00 - [17] Originally by: TechDealer yeah thanks for the advice of combat and the facepalms. anyway i am sticking to mining now dun think i will do mission for awhile till my skills are good enough and i have more money for better ships and weapon... argh the sound of mining is irritating me turning off sound now.... Level 1 missions are easy for a new player. Maybe your trying higher levels. The quality of the agent is the mission level they give.
Laruant Wiggins Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.28 14:47:00 - [18] Edited by: Laruant Wiggins on 28/09/2009 14:48:14 My only other MMO was LOTRO, been here about 3 months and am still a carebear. Reset the tutorials, do them and read every single word. Do the same with the Career Agents. Hit F12 and make sure you have gone through every ingame tutorial. Again read every single word, if your not willing to do that then...any other MMO is ---> Or find a corp that will hold your hand. As for mission combat, it's like most games...control aggro. Other points have been covered by others.
Dust Irae Minmatar Uusasai Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.28 17:03:00 - [19] I think this game is extremely newb friendly - I started this character ~2 weeks ago and am feeling successful already. It's too bad that you have such difficulty. I think you're lying when you say the mission text is unclear, though. You should reread it and try to be more observant to detail from now on, and if you can do that, you might find this game more enjoyable.
Crimsoneer Gallente Knowledge Stick Station	Posted - 2009.09.28 17:21:00 - [20] You've noticed. --------------------------------------- Pods and Pills, a low sec blog
Captain Tardbar	Posted - 2009.09.28 17:33:00 - [21] Do the tutorial. You will have more than enough ships and skills to not loose anymore ships. Don't do the tutorial and you will loose out on 20 million or so free isk worth of stuff.
TechDealer	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:04:00 - [22] i didn't know i can get pvp in such early phase of the game and i lost 1 mill of goods which i bought and suppose to transport... 9 hrs of hard earn isk go down the drain fill like an idiot... now my isk i back to 200k is idiotic man....
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:40:00 - [23] Originally by: TechDealer i didn't know i can get pvp in such early phase of the game and i lost 1 mill of goods which i bought and suppose to transport... 9 hrs of hard earn isk go down the drain fill like an idiot... now my isk i back to 200k is idiotic man.... So you ignored the big warning when you went through a low sec gate. That's your mistake not the games. As said already this game gives plenty of ways to avoid trouble but if you ignore them you will suffer for it. Most of us play as we like a game with consequences for errors. WOW is not the only game type out there, this is much more hardcore. There are more game guides and resources for this game than any other I can think of. You have two choices: 1. Learn from mistakes, shrug your shoulders and keep going. 2. Blame the game and eventually stop playing.
TechDealer	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:02:00 - [24] Anyway i give up seriously the effort i put in and the result i get is bull****. I mean i am working now dun think i have to time to actually go so indepth into this game and i play a game to enjoy not to waste time getting own by old time eve player waiting by the gates or missions which is out of my league. anyway i was killed with several patrol ships around me. He killed me in a few shot then just flew off. freak this game. close this post or do whatever you want. thanks and goodbye
Elric VonBeck The Rising Stars Academy	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:07:00 - [25] I find your lack of faith disturbing. Lvl 1 missions aren't hard. Search the web for a worthy tech 1 mission frig fit and you should be good to go. This game isn't easy, but that is what makes it worth it. Learning and grasping the game mechanics as a new player is very rewarding as it actually takes effort to do. Find a good corp to help you out. Play with other people, its a social game. Or, just give up. In that case, Eve - 1, You - 0
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:08:00 - [26] EVE is not a game for people who are too lazy to pay attention or too impatient to do things the right way. If you really cannot make it past the first few hours of play then it is probably for the best that you stop playing, as you are clearly not cut out for this game. -------------------------------------------- Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:29:00 - [27] Edited by: Zartanic on 28/09/2009 22:31:51 He managed to get himself agressed or concorded. Probably the best thing. Anyway another player who is too lazy to do the tutorials on the way out. I'm going to stop replying to these players now as you know what's going to happen sooner or later, they are a complete waste of time.
Tranka Verrane Angelic Industries	Posted - 2009.09.28 23:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 28/09/2009 22:31:51 He managed to get himself agressed or concorded. Probably the best thing. Anyway another player who is too lazy to do the tutorials on the way out. I'm going to stop replying to these players now as you know what's going to happen sooner or later, they are a complete waste of time. They are worth replying to because they are read by other newbies and even non-players, even if the OP is, as in this case, not quite the full shilling. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while and assume he was a non-native english speaker, but I think given some of his idioms he is actually English and either dense or eleven or both. And lest anyone think I'm being harsh there, I'm dyslexic. Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.09.28 23:29:00 - [29] Natural Selection hard at work...again. Proceed with caution.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.09.28 23:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Tranka Verrane Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 28/09/2009 22:31:51 He managed to get himself agressed or concorded. Probably the best thing. Anyway another player who is too lazy to do the tutorials on the way out. I'm going to stop replying to these players now as you know what's going to happen sooner or later, they are a complete waste of time. They are worth replying to because they are read by other newbies and even non-players, even if the OP is, as in this case, not quite the full shilling. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while and assume he was a non-native english speaker, but I think given some of his idioms he is actually English and either dense or eleven or both. And lest anyone think I'm being harsh there, I'm dyslexic. Is why I reply too but you know its sometimes like talking to a car crash going to happen:)

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