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Dr Therikal Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:07:00 - [1] I'm a bit curious why the Eos isn't based on the Myrmidon's hull.. It would make sense, seeing as the Myrm is a droneboat, and it's a CreoDron ship. I am well aware that the Command Ships existed before the Myrm got released, however. I just wonder if it should get shifted over. The Myrm isn't really a 'better' ship than the Brutix, it's just a different one, and it doesn't even have that 125Mbit drone bandwidth that made it lethal when it was first introduced. I'm not familiar with the other race's Commandships and Battlecruisers to extrapolate a solution for them, but I'm guessing that either the Field or Fleet command ship could use being shifted over to the Tier 2 variant of the Battlecruiser. Thoughts? Flames? I'm mostly just curious, not really demanding it be done. I just think it'd be neat.. And that my Eos would look lovely in that Green/Grey paint. --------------------------------- But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility. -Erwin Rommel
Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:09:00 - [2] I think the Eos should be made worth flying rather than changing the model TBH.
Emil Erlenmeyer	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:11:00 - [3] You just want a green myrm, don't you?
Dr Therikal Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:13:00 - [4] Edited by: Dr Therikal on 28/09/2009 19:13:21 Originally by: Asuka Smith I think the Eos should be made worth flying rather than changing the model TBH. I'd be hoping that the Myrm hull would help the Eos be a bit more flyable.. Maybe a bit more drone bandwidth, y'know? Slot rearrangement, even. Originally by: Emil You just want a green myrm, don't you? Oh god yes. --------------------------------- But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility. -Erwin Rommel
fab24 Gallente Order of Anarchy The Laughing Men	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Asuka Smith I think the Eos should be made worth flying rather than changing the model TBH. Yes, eos sucks balls Originally by: Dr Therikal I'm a bit curious why the Eos isn't based on the Myrmidon's hull.. It would make sense, seeing as the Myrm is a droneboat, and it's a CreoDron ship. I am well aware that the Command Ships existed before the Myrm got released, however. I just wonder if it should get shifted over. The Myrm isn't really a 'better' ship than the Brutix, it's just a different one, and it doesn't even have that 125Mbit drone bandwidth that made it lethal when it was first introduced. I'm not familiar with the other race's Commandships and Battlecruisers to extrapolate a solution for them, but I'm guessing that either the Field or Fleet command ship could use being shifted over to the Tier 2 variant of the Battlecruiser. Thoughts? Flames? I'm mostly just curious, not really demanding it be done. I just think it'd be neat.. And that my Eos would look lovely in that Green/Grey paint. CCP are lazy, eos and astarte have been made before myrmidon, got ur answer. Trolling is not permitted on the forum - we encourage threads that discuss issues in a constructive and spirited atmosphere. < lmfao...
Dr Therikal Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:24:00 - [6] Originally by: fab24 Originally by: Asuka Smith I think the Eos should be made worth flying rather than changing the model TBH. Yes, eos sucks balls It's not TERRIBLE, but it's not quite worth flying at it's current price. Originally by: fab24 CCP are lazy, eos and astarte have been made before myrmidon, got ur answer. Next time read the post before you troll. ;) --------------------------------- But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility. -Erwin Rommel
fab24 Gallente Order of Anarchy The Laughing Men	Posted - 2009.09.28 19:45:00 - [7] Edited by: fab24 on 28/09/2009 19:45:12 Originally by: Dr Therikal Originally by: fab24 Originally by: Asuka Smith I think the Eos should be made worth flying rather than changing the model TBH. Yes, eos sucks balls It's not TERRIBLE, but it's not quite worth flying at it's current price. Originally by: fab24 *CCP are lazy*, eos and astarte have been made before myrmidon, got ur answer. Next time read the post before you troll. ;) And if CCP wanted to make new t2 BC, that would have complicated everything. (even if they are lazy) Trolling is not permitted on the forum - we encourage threads that discuss issues in a constructive and spirited atmosphere. < lmfao...
Dr Therikal Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.09.28 20:09:00 - [8] Originally by: fab24 Edited by: fab24 on 28/09/2009 19:45:12 Originally by: Dr Therikal Originally by: fab24 Originally by: Asuka Smith I think the Eos should be made worth flying rather than changing the model TBH. Yes, eos sucks balls It's not TERRIBLE, but it's not quite worth flying at it's current price. Originally by: fab24 *CCP are lazy*, eos and astarte have been made before myrmidon, got ur answer. Next time read the post before you troll. ;) And if CCP wanted to make new t2 BC, that would have complicated everything. (even if they are lazy) All well and good, but again, read what I posted. I'm not proposing that CCP make a new T2 BC. All I'm suggesting is that they change the appearance and statistics of a preexisting class and ship. That's something that they do all the time. I'm assuming all they have to do is change the model and create a new texture (which I figure wouldn't be hard, as the CreoDron texture is already established, all it would take is modifying to fit a Myrm model). --------------------------------- But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility. -Erwin Rommel
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Dr Therikal That's something that they do all the time. No it isn't; they did it as far as I can remember just once when they added the Magnate and switched around a few of the Covops frig hulls. People have been whining for the command ships to use the tier 2 bc hulls since the tier 2 bcs were introduced. It's not going to happen. Stop asking.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:02:00 - [10] no point in flying an eos if you're not using for its intended role (gang link crap)

Cpt Branko The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:14:00 - [11] As long as I get a T2 Hurricane variant for ship spinning, all is well. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ignitious Hellfury Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:25:00 - [12] changing the eos to be more prevalent in PvP or just used in general won't be in the form of more damage capability, it will have to come from changes to it's **** ass links. If you had the choice of eos or any other CS in your gang, eos will never ever win. In all likelihood if you see an eos in your fleet its running armor links because the pilot can't fly a damnation yet. Idk what eos should give bonuses too but it sure as hell shouldn't be ewar. A CS does not mix well with an ewar fleet, nor do you have enough dedicated ewar boats to constitute the investment of an ewar booster - they would have a greater over all effect by just being in a falcon themselves. As for changing the hull... Nope.
VanNostrum The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Dr Therikal I'm a bit curious why the Eos isn't based on the Myrmidon's hull.. It would make sense, seeing as the Myrm is a droneboat, and it's a CreoDron ship. I am well aware that the Command Ships existed before the Myrm got released, however. I just wonder if it should get shifted over. The Myrm isn't really a 'better' ship than the Brutix, it's just a different one, and it doesn't even have that 125Mbit drone bandwidth that made it lethal when it was first introduced. I'm not familiar with the other race's Commandships and Battlecruisers to extrapolate a solution for them, but I'm guessing that either the Field or Fleet command ship could use being shifted over to the Tier 2 variant of the Battlecruiser. Thoughts? Flames? I'm mostly just curious, not really demanding it be done. I just think it'd be neat.. And that my Eos would look lovely in that Green/Grey paint. When Eos came out Myrmidon wasn't in game, that's why
Dr Therikal Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.09.28 21:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Dr Therikal on 28/09/2009 21:54:58 Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Dr Therikal That's something that they do all the time. No it isn't; they did it as far as I can remember just once when they added the Magnate and switched around a few of the Covops frig hulls. . lol context. Please read Originally by: Dr Therikal All I'm suggesting is that they change the appearance and statistics of a preexisting class and ship. Originally by: VanNostrum When Eos came out Myrmidon wasn't in game, that's why Again, read before you troll. Thanks. --------------------------------- But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility. -Erwin Rommel
VanNostrum The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Dr Therikal Edited by: Dr Therikal on 28/09/2009 21:54:58 Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Dr Therikal That's something that they do all the time. No it isn't; they did it as far as I can remember just once when they added the Magnate and switched around a few of the Covops frig hulls. . lol context. Please read Originally by: Dr Therikal All I'm suggesting is that they change the appearance and statistics of a preexisting class and ship. Originally by: VanNostrum When Eos came out Myrmidon wasn't in game, that's why Again, read before you troll. Thanks. hey we're just bumping your silly thread how else is ccp gonna change a ship's model unless one player has a 10 page thread crying for it oops i did it again
Neriel Odershank	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Asuka Smith I think the Eos should be made worth flying rather than changing the model TBH. This. Damn this is taking for ever to fix, i'm loosing hopes (and arazu too btw).
Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:08:00 - [17] This is now the Eos re-balancing discussion thread. I think it should be turned into an active-tank bonused Ishtar. I say it should be adjusted just so... Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% to Armor Repairer effectiveness per level Command Ships Skill Bonus: +10% to drone damage and hitpoints and +3% bonus to effectiveness of Information Warfare Links per level. Fitting: 5 lows, 4 mediums, 7 highs (and four turrets). 100m3 drone bandwidth.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Devious Decorum Rough Necks	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Asuka Smith Eos re-balancing discussion thread more like command-ships-in-general re-balancing thread... anyway, OP I've made like 3 threads over 2 years that we should have a green myrm for an Eos (black drake for vulture, etc.), it never works :(
Leobon Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:39:00 - [19] What CCP needs to do is give the Eos back its 5 heavy drones. Its bull that a HAC can launch 5 heavys but its bigger brother cant. The reason CCP nerfed it in the first place is that the Eos can put out the same damage as a Domi with 5 heavy drones. Once again people who whine get there way and people that just want to play the game suffer. If you cant figure out a way to kill some thing or adapt to it just bring more numbers. Thats what eve is about any way. Leo
Dr Therikal Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.09.28 22:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Asuka Smith This is now the Eos re-balancing discussion thread. I think it should be turned into an active-tank bonused Ishtar. I say it should be adjusted just so... Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% to Armor Repairer effectiveness per level Command Ships Skill Bonus: +10% to drone damage and hitpoints and +3% bonus to effectiveness of Information Warfare Links per level. Fitting: 5 lows, 4 mediums, 7 highs (and four turrets). 100m3 drone bandwidth. I'm rather inclined to agree.. It'd make it worth flying, actually. And, I'm not crying for the change. I just think it'd be nifty. --------------------------------- But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility. -Erwin Rommel

Shereza	Posted - 2009.09.29 00:31:00 - [21] Originally by: Dr Therikal I'm a bit curious why the Eos isn't based on the Myrmidon's hull.. Well, as several people pointed out the Eos isn't based on the Myrmidon hull because the Eos was created quite some time before the Myrmidon was in the game, and likely some time before it was even on the drawing board. What's more CCP really doesn't like to "fix" things unless you can get a large number of players convinced that it truly is "broken." That's why FoF missiles still attack buildings that don't even have a big red "Wanted" in their picture even though they're only supposed to attack the "nearest aggressing target," and why sentry drones can't be ordered to shoot targets outside your drone control range even though the darn drones are so far inside it as to make the situation almost humorous. That is why CCP didn't make a new "T2" skin for the myrmidon and swap models for the Eos. The fact that people would have been asking for the drake to be used for the nighthawk more than they already do would just make things worse. With the Eos it would be t2->Fleet (lower-case t for tier, not Tech) whereas with the nighthawk it would be t2->Field. CCP likes patterns and "equality" and such a mishmash would likely violate both. Originally by: Dr Therikal It would make sense, seeing as the Myrm is a droneboat, and it's a CreoDron ship. I am well aware that the Command Ships existed before the Myrm got released, however. #1 What makes sense often doesn't survive in MMOs much less gets implemented. Seriously. Logistic drones do negative damage so far as I can tell, FoF missiles can think that buildings without guns are aggressing you, and drone "control" range isn't, it's drone activation range where you can't activate said drone on any target outside that range even though you can control your drones outside that range, or at least could as I think that might have been "fixed" awhile back. #2 If you're already aware of the order of ship creation then why bother saying you're curious about why this model isn't used for that ship? Do you really need to set people up like that so that you can call them "trolls" for telling you that what you already know is pretty much the only reason? Originally by: Dr Therikal I just wonder if it should get shifted over. The Myrm isn't really a 'better' ship than the Brutix, it's just a different one, and it doesn't even have that 125Mbit drone bandwidth that made it lethal when it was first introduced. Outside of a rDPS role the myrmidon actually is quite a bit better than the brutix, and in PvE the brutix couldn't hold a candle if you dipped it in wax and shot it into the local star. I fly recon ships in L4 missions and I'd hesitate to fly a brutix in an L3 mission whereas I wouldn't bat an eye at taking a myrmidon into an L4. Originally by: Dr Therikal I'm not familiar with the other race's Commandships and Battlecruisers to extrapolate a solution for them, but I'm guessing that either the Field or Fleet command ship could use being shifted over to the Tier 2 variant of the Battlecruiser. As I stated above, across the board moves wouldn't fit and neither would ship-specific fits. While the Drake would be a logical hull for the Nighthawk and the Myrmidon for the Eos you'd be mixing command ship types and putting railguns on a drake hull would seriously mess with the natural order of the game. Originally by: Dr Therikal And that my Eos would look lovely in that Green/Grey paint. Frankly I want the old Myrmidon skin back, the pre-trinity one that doesn't look like it got left in the warehouse collecting dust after some Smurf violated it. Then again I also want the Hyperion's old skin back too since it has the same "Dust and Smurf" paint scheme on it too. Neither's going to happen though so you should probably just settle for the Eos as it is. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
Shereza	Posted - 2009.09.29 02:30:00 - [22] On a more useful note, and for the second time since it seems the last post I did this for got eaten by the interweb-fiend... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1040197 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1077477 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=976296 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1049132&page=1 Four of the many topics on the Eos, one of which directly deals with the looks of the ship and the rest which may, or may not, touch on its looks as they touch on its mechanical aptitudes, or ineptitudes as the cases may be. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
DARTHxFREE State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.09.29 11:20:00 - [23] Eos sucks, but not because; It can't tank - neither can Claymore It has low DPS - It's actualy the highest of the fleet commands It's expensive - So are the rest But because Information Warfare sucks ballz, and since the only viable reson to use a Fleet Command is for warfare links, the ship is fail. /join Cheeze & Whine Club
Fuazzole	Posted - 2009.09.29 11:32:00 - [24] I think poeple forget, the Eos is more of logistical nature then combat. Originally by: ccp while not packing the punch of their field command counterparts the boosts they give thier comrades in combat make them indispensable assets to any well-rounded fleet. FLEET command ship = Damnation , Eos, Vulture & Claymore FIELD command ship = Absolution, Astarte, Nighthawk, Sleipnir 2 similar, but DIFFERENT types of ship. Helios is CreoDrone, has only 5mb bandwidth, omg 3 times less then imicus, it's T1 counterpart, GO WHINE!


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