To CCP,

(I'll be writing to Apple later)

I'll keep this short. You should drop the Mac Client. Customers see Eve Online on Apple's website and immediately feel like it's a quality product for the Mac, but it is not. It's not even an OS X application.

Fabio.

I have a 4.5 year old Mac and it still runs EVE well, in MacOS X mind you.

There have been periods when things haven't worked great, but overall, this has been rare. I would be very sad if I CCP stopped maintaining the Mac version of the game.


Feel free to elaborate on why it being or not being a (extrapolating) native OS X application is important.

For me, this is very simple: In order to run Windows on EVE, I'd have to buy and install and maintain Windows. I have no other reason to do so, and absolutely no desire to do so.

The day I can't run EVE on a Mac--in a WINE wrapper, or however--is the day I stop playing.

For me, this is very simple: In order to run Windows on EVE, I'd have to buy and install and maintain Windows. I have no other reason to do so, and absolutely no desire to do so.

The day I can't run EVE on a Mac--in a WINE wrapper, or however--is the day I stop playing.

Why isn't eve a native mac application?

..............

The ultimate solution would be for CCP to write their own OpenGL layer and ship a DirectX build to Windows and OpenGL to Mac (and Linux), but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

The real, ultimate solution to this is more Mac users playing EVE.

Or one client with both DirectX and OpenGL calls, and the client just uses whichever one is appropriate for the OS.

Will OpenGL work on a PC? At all? Could CCP drop DirectX, do everything in OpenGL and have it work for everyone?

To CCP,

(I'll be writing to Apple later)

I'll keep this short. You should drop the Mac Client. Customers see Eve Online on Apple's website and immediately feel like it's a quality product for the Mac, but it is not. It's not even an OS X application.

Fabio.

From what I've read in these forums, the Wine wrapper is maintained by a third-party, not CCP. Also, they advertise it as Mac software, or at the very least, they show you a Macbook Pro running Eve without saying it's a Windows application running through a Wine wrapper, which is misleading customers to believe this is native software. It is not, and it is not stable.

That's as elaborate an explanation as I can give you right now.

So software companies never use 3rd party components without telling you?... wake up and smell the roses.

I for one dont support this petition, if anything going by the global Mac sales there should be the complete opposite - a petition to improve the client and actually market it.

To CCP,

(I'll be writing to Apple later)

I'll keep this short. You should drop the Mac Client. Customers see Eve Online on Apple's website and immediately feel like it's a quality product for the Mac, but it is not. It's not even an OS X application.

Fabio.

You will experience just as many bugs running Eve on a Windows machine.

What a ridiculous thread.

Well, after spending thousands of dollars on a top of the line 27 ' imac .And then being faced with having to use the lowest graphics settings to get a decent frame rate, I back the OP. This is waste of time. Where's the response from CCP in fixing the frame rate issue? Answer ? nothing, nada, zip.

"Try this, tweek that, change this, blah blah blah" Tired of it all, just either ix it or don't, admit you can't or can and will.

Whats next ? "Guys, we need you to unscrew the back of your I macs and cut the blue wire, we think this might fix it."
Where's the sense of urgency ? where's the feedback ?
What other Industry would have this farcical level of client engagement ?

From what I've read in these forums, the Wine wrapper is maintained by a third-party, not CCP. Also, they advertise it as Mac software, or at the very least, they show you a Macbook Pro running Eve without saying it's a Windows application running through a Wine wrapper, which is misleading customers to believe this is native software. It is not, and it is not stable.

That's as elaborate an explanation as I can give you right now.

Hi, this is the OP. I am here to clarify a few points as people have been making all kinds of absurd assumptions:

1) I own a Macbook Pro 2011, an iPad, iPhone and an iMac 2010. So no, I am not a Mac hater.

2) I used to own a Dell laptop with M$ Windows - I also have had plenty of experience with Windows in the past, and I have owned several PCs running Windows (from Win95 to 7) in my life. So I am not a Windows hater, either. I just happen to prefer Mac OS X (which is "Darwin", a derivate product of FreeBSD.. but whatever.. what matters is that I personally think OS X - and Cocoa - is a billion years ahead of Windows).

3) What I am questioning here is the practice of implying a product is made for a certain operating system when it is quite obviously the opposite. This is just wrong. There's no getting away from this fact. It is a fact.

4) Read number 3 four more times before writing your next reply. Not being pedantic, just kind of frustrated with what (some) people said in here (meaning they probably never read my post).

5) I am unhappy with the questionable business practice of implying a product is a native (made for) Mac software without so much as telling you that not only it's a Windows program, but the Wine Wrapper is also not theirs - they hire a 3rd party to do it.

6) If you buy a game that requires an internet connection, or a game that requires a 3rd party service like, say, Steam, you are warned in advance. This is not the case here.

Anyway, I've been messing with it (the game and the wrapper) and got around most issues. It's not as smooth as it could be, for (again) the obvious reason of this being Windows software, but it works.

And to end with the "NON Native app" thing, just think about a MS soft that is rewritten to work as "native" on mac : M$ Office suite. That horrible crappy thing we got here !! ^^

To CCP,

(I'll be writing to Apple later)

I'll keep this short. You should drop the Mac Client. Customers see Eve Online on Apple's website and immediately feel like it's a quality product for the Mac, but it is not. It's not even an OS X application.

Fabio.

Vincent touched on it, broadly; the specific answer is that they use Microsoft's DirectX for graphics, and OS X uses OpenGL.

The two are different, and DirectX tends to be a little farther ahead because it's not maintained by a multi-company standards committee, but the people on the DirectX board include game programmers who try to keep it from being too different because that makes their lives harder.

There are other options besides a WINE wrapper; there are plenty of companies that have experience porting games over, and robust DirectX->OpenGL translation layers (there are some other little bits that would have to change, but AFAIK nothing major). However, these probably cost CCP more money than TransGaming's solution, and it would mean a possible delay in the Mac client every time there was a significant change to the Windows client.

The ultimate solution would be for CCP to write their own OpenGL layer and ship a DirectX build to Windows and OpenGL to Mac (and Linux), but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

The real, ultimate solution to this is more Mac users playing EVE.

Well, after spending thousands of dollars on a top of the line 27 ' imac .And then being faced with having to use the lowest graphics settings to get a decent frame rate, I back the OP. This is waste of time. Where's the response from CCP in fixing the frame rate issue? Answer ? nothing, nada, zip.

"Try this, tweek that, change this, blah blah blah" Tired of it all, just either ix it or don't, admit you can't or can and will.

Whats next ? "Guys, we need you to unscrew the back of your I macs and cut the blue wire, we think this might fix it."
Where's the sense of urgency ? where's the feedback ?
What other Industry would have this farcical level of client engagement ?

You will experience just as many bugs running Eve on a Windows machine.

What a ridiculous thread.

Hi, this is the OP.
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Anyway, I've been messing with it (the game and the wrapper) and got around most issues. It's not as smooth as it could be, for (again) the obvious reason of this being Windows software, but it works.