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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.04 13:27:00 -
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This isn't about being officious. It's about being fair. Lots of corporations have launched things like RvB. They have all been blocked in this forum though, and not to do so for RvB is either favouritism or neglect. Even FW recruitment has been booted from this channel before.
If you want to promote RvB in New Citizens suggest you offer some kind of training course or support, that doesn't require switching corps. If people then wish to join RvB it is up to them. There would be plenty of opportunity to encourage them to do so ingame.
I am merely offering advice before a mod comes along and locks this thread.
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.04 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Medwynd
How can you say I do not know? Yes, in fact I do know. Perhaps it is you who doesn't read this forum much. Almost daily someone if mocked for asking something in this forum. It doesn't take much beyond reading this forum daily to see that.
Perhaps you are thin skinned? I haven't seen much, if any, 'mocking' of fits in this channel. Can you post a link to an example? There is a link above each post you can link to to show the exact one.
There is a lot of people telling people they have bad fits, or are generally doing things wrong. That isn't the same as mocking. The only times I've seen mocking here is when it's in reply to a bad answer to a question posted by someone who supposedly knows what they are doing.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.04 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 04/10/2009 14:15:41
Originally by: Tranka Verrane This isn't about being officious. It's about being fair. Lots of corporations have launched things like RvB. They have all been blocked in this forum though, and not to do so for RvB is either favouritism or neglect. Even FW recruitment has been booted from this channel before.
If you want to promote RvB in New Citizens suggest you offer some kind of training course or support, that doesn't require switching corps. If people then wish to join RvB it is up to them. There would be plenty of opportunity to encourage them to do so ingame.
I am merely offering advice before a mod comes along and locks this thread.
If a mod locks it then they will. Also RvB not about training anyone, its about killing each other in PvP with no strings attached. But so many new players assume they can't join a PVP corp with experienced players, and that's quite true in most cases, they never give it a try and end up quitting. Another misconception is you need countless SP or can 'never catch up with the older players' which is OFTEN posted on these forums. So this is an answer to those negative posts and the best place for that is in the very forums those posts are regularly made.
So this Corp is perfect for new players, ergo its posted in the new players section. If new players were not welcome or it was a standard corp looking for new players this post would have no place here.
But ultimately that's down to the mods and only them.
EDIT: I'm not sure you have read what's being said properly. You can have a day old alt to try it out, why a special training course?
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.04 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane If you want to promote RvB in New Citizens suggest you offer some kind of training course or support, that doesn't require switching corps. If people then wish to join RvB it is up to them. There would be plenty of opportunity to encourage them to do so ingame.
Read the OP carefully again please specially this part:
Originally by: Leora Nomen I am in corporation already and do not want to leave it ... what do i do? Fear not! A lot of veteran players are in same position as you, however, alts are accepted in RVB. Indeed many older players have joined in the fun too with low skill point alts. This is open to everyone so you can utilize those other 2 slots on your account to roll a character and join.
As you can see this is not recruitment and we are perfectly fine with you staying in your corporation. Players do not have to switch corps, as you are stating. You can just put in an alt even one that you only have 1 hour a week to log in and play with. You do not have to belong to RVB in a sense that you belong to traditional corporations. This is indeed just done for pvp training and fun, rather that building some empire and achieving a corporate goal of some kind. There are no official lectures and assigned reading material like with Agony Unleashed, but nevertheless it is a learning experience as you learn pvp by joining different gangs. Newer players would ask questions in corp chat that older players would answer for them, so it is collective mentoring of a sort.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.05 09:42:00 -
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Moved to Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center.
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.05 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Moved to Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center.
Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Leora Nomen on 05/10/2009 20:39:48
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Moved to Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center.
Thank you Tranka for reporting this thread and making it more difficult to new players to find. Internet policing must be a very important matter for you
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Dealeeo
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Posted - 2009.10.05 23:29:00 -
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I'd like to participate, but I am interested in learning to fly Ewar/ECM support.
This is not allowed? What does "no excessive ECM" mean?
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen Edited by: Leora Nomen on 05/10/2009 20:39:48
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Moved to Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center.
Thank you Tranka for reporting this thread and making it more difficult to new players to find. Internet policing must be a very important matter for you
Some people have to sc**** the barrel to get a kick out of life.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 06/10/2009 02:34:17
Originally by: Dealeeo I'd like to participate, but I am interested in learning to fly Ewar/ECM support.
This is not allowed? What does "no excessive ECM" mean?
Thanks! And grats for putting together what looks to be a great program.
Scramblers/webbers are fine of course. But in small fleet actions that are trying to be balanced nothing is more boring than a Jammer. There is all sorts of PVP going on so you may well find times you can use it and during purple operations (third party wardecs) anything goes. But in general ECM is not used.
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Zozzzo
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Posted - 2009.10.06 03:54:00 -
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Sounds worth trying. I am new and bored of missions and mining.
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.06 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen
Thank you Tranka for reporting this thread and making it more difficult to new players to find. Internet policing must be a very important matter for you.
Post a non-recruiting ad for PVP training in RvB and I will endorse it. I told you how to do it. You must be able to see the thousand ways doing what you are currently doing could be abused if it was allowed to continue. Like I said, I have nothing against RvB. I do have a problem with this recruitment strategy, for that is what it is. Everyone wants more people in their corporation. It is arrogant, selfish and stupid of you to assume that you deserve special treatment.
Most rules are there for a reason. Try thinking about what they are before breaking them.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 06/10/2009 18:41:03
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Leora Nomen
Thank you Tranka for reporting this thread and making it more difficult to new players to find. Internet policing must be a very important matter for you.
Post a non-recruiting ad for PVP training in RvB and I will endorse it. I told you how to do it. You must be able to see the thousand ways doing what you are currently doing could be abused if it was allowed to continue. Like I said, I have nothing against RvB. I do have a problem with this recruitment strategy, for that is what it is. Everyone wants more people in their corporation. It is arrogant, selfish and stupid of you to assume that you deserve special treatment.
Most rules are there for a reason. Try thinking about what they are before breaking them.
You don't get it do you? The corps HAVE TO EXIST for wardeccing to occur for the PVP to happen. One red corp one blue corp. The corps are coincidental but required. Most chat is outside the corp in the open RvB channel. That's why no one gives a stuff how often you join or leave and ALL players and their alts are welcome.
Congratulations on ensuring some new players don't experience PVP at all, I hope your proud of yourself and feel a warm glow of smug self satisfaction of a job well done.
Now get off your high horse and go check some cars in the street, they may be a few inches outside the parking bay.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane Post a non-recruiting ad for PVP training in RvB and I will endorse it. I told you how to do it. You must be able to see the thousand ways doing what you are currently doing could be abused if it was allowed to continue. Like I said, I have nothing against RvB. I do have a problem with this recruitment strategy, for that is what it is. Everyone wants more people in their corporation. It is arrogant, selfish and stupid of you to assume that you deserve special treatment.
Most rules are there for a reason. Try thinking about what they are before breaking them.
How do you propose PVP training to happen without people putting their alts into Red and Blue corporations? You must have missed the memo, actually about 3 memos now, where I said that this is not recruitment and people are welcome to stay with their corps and put 1-day old alts in. This is an empire war. It cannot happen without two groups of characters assigned into what is known in this game as corporations.
Do you know the expression "the road to hell is paved with good intentions?" I am sure that rules are a very important thing to you and as your post demonstrates you feel very righteous about what you did.
But in the end what have you achieved?
You harmed the new player community of EVE by reporting this thread to get it moved here, where in single day threads get bumped down 10 pages, irrespective of one new player noting that if it wasn't in New Citizen's section he would have missed it. You made it much more difficult for new players to find an opportunity to experience PVP in EVE, which even has the potential of making them subscribe to EVE.
So stop beating your chest now, sit down, and think about this saying and it means in your context
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Leora Nomen
Thank you Tranka for reporting this thread and making it more difficult to new players to find. Internet policing must be a very important matter for you.
Post a non-recruiting ad for PVP training in RvB and I will endorse it. I told you how to do it. You must be able to see the thousand ways doing what you are currently doing could be abused if it was allowed to continue. Like I said, I have nothing against RvB. I do have a problem with this recruitment strategy, for that is what it is. Everyone wants more people in their corporation. It is arrogant, selfish and stupid of you to assume that you deserve special treatment.
Most rules are there for a reason. Try thinking about what they are before breaking them.
I was recommending a newbie who was interested in PVP to try out RVB, telling him to look in newbie section. Then he told me that there was no such post. Gee thanks for helping newbies get into the PVP side of things in this game
Take the hint: They're NOT recruiting people to help build up their corp. The whole corp thing is just to facilitate war. Oh well, maybe you could suggest a way to word it so it wouldn't be deemed a recruitment? No? Thought so.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 07/10/2009 20:54:17
What's ironic is CCP themselves are trying to get new players into PVP and are including a tutorial for just that in the next expansion. Its the reason behind the 11% tax and one reason for the sov changes.
So RvB is doing the work of CCP.
How this post is not suitable for the new player forums I'll never know. Especially as the new player forums are peppered with players saying they have no opportunities to PVP or they assume you need good ships and high SP. They then leave the game and tell their friends how much EVE sucks as its impossible to get into.
Its about opportunities for new players not corp recruitment. RvB accepts alts, you can join and leave when you want, there is no set of policies, nothing. Just pure PVP for everyone and some good forums for beginners who get to fly with some of the most experienced PVP players in the game. The Corps are there just to get round the concord mechanic in hi sec.
Anyway back to watching Red Dwarf, this whole thing has reminded me of Arnold Rimmer.
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Iscariot Rex
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Posted - 2009.10.08 18:41:00 -
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rvb is just a bunch of old players who want to get a higher kill count by ganking noobs. They offer no advice on how to pvp and if you run into trouble solo, rvb will not have your back. The majority of the players are very experienced and use either t2 or t3 ships. Most of the ships I have seen being used are battlecruisers or interceptors, last night there were even some battleships going around. This is definitely no place for new players, don't fall for this scam.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Iscariot Rex rvb is just a bunch of old players who want to get a higher kill count by ganking noobs. They offer no advice on how to pvp and if you run into trouble solo, rvb will not have your back. The majority of the players are very experienced and use either t2 or t3 ships. Most of the ships I have seen being used are battlecruisers or interceptors, last night there were even some battleships going around. This is definitely no place for new players, don't fall for this scam.
Yep, that's why the top 10 ships used in RVB as shown by the killboard are T1 frigates, destroyes, cruisers like Rifter, Incursus, Punisher, Thorax, Caracal, and Thrasher. Rifter and Incursus are top two ships used on both Red and Blue killboards. Must be all them high sp players duking it out in HACs and Recons.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.13 05:59:00 -
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bump
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.15 13:01:00 -
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.05 10:09:00 -
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