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LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:08:00 - [1] Looking for the best video editing I can get for under or around $100.00 US. Will be using Fraps to catch video. Also the preferred compression software. Want to add text,fade in,fade out, you know all the good stuff. Have been looking at Movie Edit 2005, magix.net but would like options of other movie makers in EVE on what they prefer and why. Thanks! \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:08:00 - [2] Looking for the best video editing I can get for under or around $100.00 US. Will be using Fraps to catch video. Also the preferred compression software. Want to add text,fade in,fade out, you know all the good stuff. Have been looking at Movie Edit 2005, magix.net but would like options of other movie makers in EVE on what they prefer and why. Thanks! \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:18:00 - [3] Someone told me WinXP has integrated vid editing software. Not sure if that is "Home" or "Pro" or if it is true. --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
Kitten Hearder	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:18:00 - [4] Someone told me WinXP has integrated vid editing software. Not sure if that is "Home" or "Pro" or if it is true. --------- Kitten Hearder Evolution made my sig Less Entertaining than your's.
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Kitten Hearder Someone told me WinXP has integrated vid editing software. Not sure if that is "Home" or "Pro" or if it is true. Aye, it's called Windows Movie Maker. Its ok to string some clips together but that's about it. :) \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Kitten Hearder Someone told me WinXP has integrated vid editing software. Not sure if that is "Home" or "Pro" or if it is true. Aye, it's called Windows Movie Maker. Its ok to string some clips together but that's about it. :) \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Eldar Curunirr	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:48:00 - [7] Leafo is the one to ask, I'll still trying to find out what he uses to make his movies, the clarity is what gets me the most, so Leafo if you read this, tell us what you use please! Hope it doesn't cost anything Eldar
Eldar Curunirr	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:48:00 - [8] Leafo is the one to ask, I'll still trying to find out what he uses to make his movies, the clarity is what gets me the most, so Leafo if you read this, tell us what you use please! Hope it doesn't cost anything Eldar
Ebedar	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:51:00 - [9] I believe Leafo uses Adobe Premier, though I'm not sure which version. My life in pictures:
Ebedar	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:51:00 - [10] I believe Leafo uses Adobe Premier, though I'm not sure which version. My life in pictures:
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:53:00 - [11] Originally by: LocalHost Originally by: Kitten Hearder Someone told me WinXP has integrated vid editing software. Not sure if that is "Home" or "Pro" or if it is true. Aye, it's called Windows Movie Maker. Its ok to string some clips together but that's about it. :) That crap crashes all the time. Use semi-professional software for movie editing [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.10.26 19:53:00 - [12] Originally by: LocalHost Originally by: Kitten Hearder Someone told me WinXP has integrated vid editing software. Not sure if that is "Home" or "Pro" or if it is true. Aye, it's called Windows Movie Maker. Its ok to string some clips together but that's about it. :) That crap crashes all the time. Use semi-professional software for movie editing [Heterocephalus glaber]
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 20:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Ebedar I believe Leafo uses Adobe Premier, though I'm not sure which version. Yeah, Adobe Premiere is like $600.00. I can't justify that kinda funds for EVE movies, I would never use it for anything other than EVE. So it would go to waste. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 20:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Ebedar I believe Leafo uses Adobe Premier, though I'm not sure which version. Yeah, Adobe Premiere is like $600.00. I can't justify that kinda funds for EVE movies, I would never use it for anything other than EVE. So it would go to waste. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Vegeta	Posted - 2004.10.26 20:06:00 - [15] well you could always not illegally download it online, that's what I didn't do. 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Vegeta	Posted - 2004.10.26 20:06:00 - [16] well you could always not illegally download it online, that's what I didn't do. 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Arvalen Eno	Posted - 2004.10.26 20:10:00 - [17] Originally by: LocalHost Yeah, Adobe Premiere is like $600.00. I can't justify that kinda funds for EVE movies, I would never use it for anything other than EVE. So it would go to waste. Well, you can download 30-day trial version of Ulead Video Editor here. Ulead used to make quite nice video editing programs, though i have no idea if the trial version has any built-in limitations... o.O "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs."
Arvalen Eno	Posted - 2004.10.26 20:10:00 - [18] Originally by: LocalHost Yeah, Adobe Premiere is like $600.00. I can't justify that kinda funds for EVE movies, I would never use it for anything other than EVE. So it would go to waste. Well, you can download 30-day trial version of Ulead Video Editor here. Ulead used to make quite nice video editing programs, though i have no idea if the trial version has any built-in limitations... o.O "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs."
Valisk	Posted - 2004.10.26 20:51:00 - [19] Don't forget not to download Adobe After Effects too! DAB Eve Division
Valisk	Posted - 2004.10.26 20:51:00 - [20] Don't forget not to download Adobe After Effects too! DAB Eve Division
Skarsnik	Posted - 2004.10.26 21:05:00 - [21] I personally use Adobe Premiere, and after effects - we ahve it at work so it's free for me to use there for a few personal movies during lunch hour :) BUt I cant honestly think of anything sub-ú100 let alone $100 .. sorry --------------------------------- No Slugs were harmed in the creation of this signature ---------------------------------
Skarsnik	Posted - 2004.10.26 21:05:00 - [22] I personally use Adobe Premiere, and after effects - we ahve it at work so it's free for me to use there for a few personal movies during lunch hour :) BUt I cant honestly think of anything sub-ú100 let alone $100 .. sorry --------------------------------- No Slugs were harmed in the creation of this signature ---------------------------------
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.26 21:36:00 - [23] Edited by: Seleene on 26/10/2004 21:40:29 I use Adobe Premiere now. Prior to that, I used Windows Movie Maker 2, which comes with WIN XP Pro. As for just being able to string clips together... The Everlasting Vendetta Contract Click on this link for other BDCI vids. WMM is not the best there is but it's free easy to learn and use and it's got more potential than people generally give it credit for. Happy filming! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.26 21:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Seleene on 26/10/2004 21:40:29 I use Adobe Premiere now. Prior to that, I used Windows Movie Maker 2, which comes with WIN XP Pro. As for just being able to string clips together... The Everlasting Vendetta Contract Click on this link for other BDCI vids. WMM is not the best there is but it's free easy to learn and use and it's got more potential than people generally give it credit for. Happy filming! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Hanns	Posted - 2004.10.26 21:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Vegeta well you could always not illegally download it online, that's what I didn't do. Yeah good advice Vegeta, Do not go and download it with you favourite P2P program.
Hanns	Posted - 2004.10.26 21:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Vegeta well you could always not illegally download it online, that's what I didn't do. Yeah good advice Vegeta, Do not go and download it with you favourite P2P program.
Sun Wu	Posted - 2004.10.26 21:47:00 - [27] Well, if you just wanna string and cut some pieces of ganks and space together and put 1 soundtrack to it and some titles/captions then almost any prog you can find out there will do, be it pinnacle or windows movie maker or whatever. But that is also about what you can expect from the 100 euro class of programs. You won't find multiple audiotracks, you won't find unlimited videotracks, many effects and things to play around with. Perhaps a good comparison to the semi-professional programs would be comparing MS Paint with Photoshop, simple editing is possible but the programs limits will be obvious very soon. In Premiere I can pretty much launch it and just start playing around and find out new things all the time, and I'm fairly sure the same applies to most other people who use it. What premiere offers is a really good overall package of a workspace + project management + sequencebased editing + effects, which as the semi-professional thing implies pretty much is enough for anyone unless you are actually making a movie and need to get the more specific postprocessing stuff for sound, effects, and so forth... ________________________________
Sun Wu	Posted - 2004.10.26 21:47:00 - [28] Well, if you just wanna string and cut some pieces of ganks and space together and put 1 soundtrack to it and some titles/captions then almost any prog you can find out there will do, be it pinnacle or windows movie maker or whatever. But that is also about what you can expect from the 100 euro class of programs. You won't find multiple audiotracks, you won't find unlimited videotracks, many effects and things to play around with. Perhaps a good comparison to the semi-professional programs would be comparing MS Paint with Photoshop, simple editing is possible but the programs limits will be obvious very soon. In Premiere I can pretty much launch it and just start playing around and find out new things all the time, and I'm fairly sure the same applies to most other people who use it. What premiere offers is a really good overall package of a workspace + project management + sequencebased editing + effects, which as the semi-professional thing implies pretty much is enough for anyone unless you are actually making a movie and need to get the more specific postprocessing stuff for sound, effects, and so forth... ________________________________
Silver Bird	Posted - 2004.10.26 22:31:00 - [29] Try virtual dub(free) if you need something that can handle editing and compressing. It is not anywhere as easy to do fancy stuff like in premier but for stright forward videos/audio mixing it works just fine. Virtualdub linkege ->http://www.virtualdub.org/
Silver Bird	Posted - 2004.10.26 22:31:00 - [30] Try virtual dub(free) if you need something that can handle editing and compressing. It is not anywhere as easy to do fancy stuff like in premier but for stright forward videos/audio mixing it works just fine. Virtualdub linkege ->http://www.virtualdub.org/
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 22:34:00 - [31] Edited by: LocalHost on 26/10/2004 22:44:18 Everyone who commented so far, thank you very much for all the good suggestions. While talking with Adobe I came across a relatively new program that they have. Adobe Premiere Elements For 99.00 US I think I will try it out. Given allot of you think Adobe Premiere is the way to go. I'll try it's little brother first. I will report how this works out. Thank you all again. Any further info from anyone else is very welcome as I will continue to check this thread. Thanks. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 22:34:00 - [32] Edited by: LocalHost on 26/10/2004 22:44:18 Everyone who commented so far, thank you very much for all the good suggestions. While talking with Adobe I came across a relatively new program that they have. Adobe Premiere Elements For 99.00 US I think I will try it out. Given allot of you think Adobe Premiere is the way to go. I'll try it's little brother first. I will report how this works out. Thank you all again. Any further info from anyone else is very welcome as I will continue to check this thread. Thanks. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Spanker	Posted - 2004.10.26 22:40:00 - [33] Problem with those admittedly cool pieces of software is that they often require your CPU to have SSE instructions or some such crap. Mine doesn't, I only have a AMD from the eighties, so I make do with the second best thing - Vegas Video 5.0. Which I certainly did not download for free from here
Spanker	Posted - 2004.10.26 22:40:00 - [34] Problem with those admittedly cool pieces of software is that they often require your CPU to have SSE instructions or some such crap. Mine doesn't, I only have a AMD from the eighties, so I make do with the second best thing - Vegas Video 5.0. Which I certainly did not download for free from here
Eldar Curunirr	Posted - 2004.10.26 22:51:00 - [35] Anyone know what Leafo uses to capture the videos in the first place, Fraps? Eldar
Eldar Curunirr	Posted - 2004.10.26 22:51:00 - [36] Anyone know what Leafo uses to capture the videos in the first place, Fraps? Eldar
Nalias	Posted - 2004.10.26 23:21:00 - [37] If you are advanced enough to use Linux, Broadcast 2000c is a free and open source video editor that is very powerful. Most Linux distros also come with streaming encoders for MPG and AVI, which are the only 2 standardized compression formats, and therefore the only 2 you should use.
Nalias	Posted - 2004.10.26 23:21:00 - [38] If you are advanced enough to use Linux, Broadcast 2000c is a free and open source video editor that is very powerful. Most Linux distros also come with streaming encoders for MPG and AVI, which are the only 2 standardized compression formats, and therefore the only 2 you should use.
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 23:37:00 - [39] Edited by: LocalHost on 26/10/2004 23:45:33 Localhost greedily clutches his unopened box of Adobe Premiere Elements.. Ma.. Ma.. Mine.. Alllll mine!!!!!!!! Eldar, most people use Fraps to catch the video originally, unless they have hardware capture capable setup, but I do not know what he may use. I'll report back and let you all know who it works out. Maybe even a sample movie. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.26 23:37:00 - [40] Edited by: LocalHost on 26/10/2004 23:45:33 Localhost greedily clutches his unopened box of Adobe Premiere Elements.. Ma.. Ma.. Mine.. Alllll mine!!!!!!!! Eldar, most people use Fraps to catch the video originally, unless they have hardware capture capable setup, but I do not know what he may use. I'll report back and let you all know who it works out. Maybe even a sample movie. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 05:53:00 - [41] Local, good luck. I'm not sure how the 'Elements' program differs from the full blown app, but I'll try to give you a few ideas. Leafo and I use identical set-ups for our vid-making (lots of MSN chatting!). A few standards: I usually run the game in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200. If your card can support it, this allows you to get a lot more of the action on screen. FRAPS only records up to 1024x768 anyway, so unless you run the game in that res, it's going to default to a half-size recording anyway. Hence, the larger your res, the better quality your half-size recording will be. Set FRAPS to run at 20 FPS, half size. If you are using Premiere, or any other program I suppose, this allows you to encode the footage at 25-30 FPS and smooths out a lot of the jumpiness and lag in certian segments. This is why many of Leafo's vids and my last one with Merchant Marines flow so well even though there is a lot going on. Make sure in your project settings that you use 'square pixels' and run progressive scan if you have the option. When encoding, I use the Adobe Media encoder built into Premiere and go with the 'Windows Media Video 9' codec. I do two encoding passes with a constant bitrate and turn interlaced processing OFF. I could fill up the page with a lot of this stuff, but hopefully this helps a bit. Feel free to shoot me an email in game and if I have the time I'll try to answer some of your questions in more detail if you have any. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 05:53:00 - [42] Local, good luck. I'm not sure how the 'Elements' program differs from the full blown app, but I'll try to give you a few ideas. Leafo and I use identical set-ups for our vid-making (lots of MSN chatting!). A few standards: I usually run the game in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200. If your card can support it, this allows you to get a lot more of the action on screen. FRAPS only records up to 1024x768 anyway, so unless you run the game in that res, it's going to default to a half-size recording anyway. Hence, the larger your res, the better quality your half-size recording will be. Set FRAPS to run at 20 FPS, half size. If you are using Premiere, or any other program I suppose, this allows you to encode the footage at 25-30 FPS and smooths out a lot of the jumpiness and lag in certian segments. This is why many of Leafo's vids and my last one with Merchant Marines flow so well even though there is a lot going on. Make sure in your project settings that you use 'square pixels' and run progressive scan if you have the option. When encoding, I use the Adobe Media encoder built into Premiere and go with the 'Windows Media Video 9' codec. I do two encoding passes with a constant bitrate and turn interlaced processing OFF. I could fill up the page with a lot of this stuff, but hopefully this helps a bit. Feel free to shoot me an email in game and if I have the time I'll try to answer some of your questions in more detail if you have any. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Wren	Posted - 2004.10.27 07:49:00 - [43] Seleene, could you actually make me look cool while I run for my life in a Vigil or Stiletto? I do a bunch of running. Sometimes I try to do the catch frig deal, but mostly I run. --------------------------------------------------
Wren	Posted - 2004.10.27 07:49:00 - [44] Seleene, could you actually make me look cool while I run for my life in a Vigil or Stiletto? I do a bunch of running. Sometimes I try to do the catch frig deal, but mostly I run. --------------------------------------------------
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.10.27 07:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Wren Seleene, could you actually make me look cool while I run for my life in a Vigil or Stiletto? I do a bunch of running. Sometimes I try to do the catch frig deal, but mostly I run. There is no shame in running. Its called a "tactical reassesment of targets". -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Ghost Red	Posted - 2004.10.27 07:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Wren Seleene, could you actually make me look cool while I run for my life in a Vigil or Stiletto? I do a bunch of running. Sometimes I try to do the catch frig deal, but mostly I run. There is no shame in running. Its called a "tactical reassesment of targets". -------------------------------------------- Misomusic!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 08:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Wren Seleene, could you actually make me look cool while I run for my life in a Vigil or Stiletto? Sure! I can say something like, "To the casual observer, Wren appeared to be running the last several jumps from the seven Ravens, three Megathrons and their escort ships hot on his tail. However, all was not as it seemed..." fade away to giant fleet on the other side of the next gate See? Cool! Originally by: Ghost Red There is no shame in running. Its called a "tactical reassesment of targets". LOL!!! That's classic! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 08:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Wren Seleene, could you actually make me look cool while I run for my life in a Vigil or Stiletto? Sure! I can say something like, "To the casual observer, Wren appeared to be running the last several jumps from the seven Ravens, three Megathrons and their escort ships hot on his tail. However, all was not as it seemed..." fade away to giant fleet on the other side of the next gate See? Cool! Originally by: Ghost Red There is no shame in running. Its called a "tactical reassesment of targets". LOL!!! That's classic! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.27 10:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Seleene Local, good luck. I'm not sure how the 'Elements' program differs from the full blown app, but I'll try to give you a few ideas. Leafo and I use identical set-ups for our vid-making (lots of MSN chatting!). A few standards: I usually run the game in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200. If your card can support it, this allows you to get a lot more of the action on screen. FRAPS only records up to 1024x768 anyway, so unless you run the game in that res, it's going to default to a half-size recording anyway. Hence, the larger your res, the better quality your half-size recording will be. Set FRAPS to run at 20 FPS, half size. If you are using Premiere, or any other program I suppose, this allows you to encode the footage at 25-30 FPS and smooths out a lot of the jumpiness and lag in certian segments. This is why many of Leafo's vids and my last one with Merchant Marines flow so well even though there is a lot going on. Make sure in your project settings that you use 'square pixels' and run progressive scan if you have the option. When encoding, I use the Adobe Media encoder built into Premiere and go with the 'Windows Media Video 9' codec. I do two encoding passes with a constant bitrate and turn interlaced processing OFF. I could fill up the page with a lot of this stuff, but hopefully this helps a bit. Feel free to shoot me an email in game and if I have the time I'll try to answer some of your questions in more detail if you have any. Seleene, Thanks very much for the info. You have already set me off on the right track. I did my first test movie last night and it came out pretty good for only have APE "Adobe Premiere Effects" for less than an hour. I was not aware of the issue with Fraps and the size limit. I will make adjustments this morning and test again. I will be emailing you.. ;) thanks for the offer. I will not bug you to much. I am a web designer/programmer "the kind that gets paid" so this stuff comes second nature to me but you sound like you are well versed in this area and I would like to take full advantage of that as you allow. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.27 10:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Seleene Local, good luck. I'm not sure how the 'Elements' program differs from the full blown app, but I'll try to give you a few ideas. Leafo and I use identical set-ups for our vid-making (lots of MSN chatting!). A few standards: I usually run the game in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200. If your card can support it, this allows you to get a lot more of the action on screen. FRAPS only records up to 1024x768 anyway, so unless you run the game in that res, it's going to default to a half-size recording anyway. Hence, the larger your res, the better quality your half-size recording will be. Set FRAPS to run at 20 FPS, half size. If you are using Premiere, or any other program I suppose, this allows you to encode the footage at 25-30 FPS and smooths out a lot of the jumpiness and lag in certian segments. This is why many of Leafo's vids and my last one with Merchant Marines flow so well even though there is a lot going on. Make sure in your project settings that you use 'square pixels' and run progressive scan if you have the option. When encoding, I use the Adobe Media encoder built into Premiere and go with the 'Windows Media Video 9' codec. I do two encoding passes with a constant bitrate and turn interlaced processing OFF. I could fill up the page with a lot of this stuff, but hopefully this helps a bit. Feel free to shoot me an email in game and if I have the time I'll try to answer some of your questions in more detail if you have any. Seleene, Thanks very much for the info. You have already set me off on the right track. I did my first test movie last night and it came out pretty good for only have APE "Adobe Premiere Effects" for less than an hour. I was not aware of the issue with Fraps and the size limit. I will make adjustments this morning and test again. I will be emailing you.. ;) thanks for the offer. I will not bug you to much. I am a web designer/programmer "the kind that gets paid" so this stuff comes second nature to me but you sound like you are well versed in this area and I would like to take full advantage of that as you allow. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Spanker	Posted - 2004.10.27 10:59:00 - [51] Originally by: Seleene [list] I usually run the game in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200. If your card can support it, this allows you to get a lot more of the action on screen. FRAPS only records up to 1024x768 anyway, so unless you run the game in that res, it's going to default to a half-size recording anyway. Hence, the larger your res, the better quality your half-size recording will be. Probably wrong here, but doesn't 1024x768 give you the best result if going half-size? Higher resolutions don't have the same pixel ratio. Half of 1024x768 is 512x384. Fine. But half of say 1280x1024 is 640x512 which is more than 512x384 and so fraps will be capturing less than every other pixel which will make the result look a bit shifty. Originally by: Seleene Set FRAPS to run at 20 FPS, half size. If you are using Premiere, or any other program I suppose, this allows you to encode the footage at 25-30 FPS and smooths out a lot of the jumpiness and lag in certian segments. This is why many of Leafo's vids and my last one with Merchant Marines flow so well even though there is a lot going on. Interesting, how do you figure? Surely recording at 15fps is less of a strain on your comp enabling a less jerky capture. What good is recording at 20fps when the battles at hand often make EVE render less than 20fps anyway. Plus rendering the vid in 15fps keeps size down. Or is there more to this? Well one thing's for sure, I'm going to have to try it all out again!
Spanker	Posted - 2004.10.27 10:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Seleene [list] I usually run the game in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200. If your card can support it, this allows you to get a lot more of the action on screen. FRAPS only records up to 1024x768 anyway, so unless you run the game in that res, it's going to default to a half-size recording anyway. Hence, the larger your res, the better quality your half-size recording will be. Probably wrong here, but doesn't 1024x768 give you the best result if going half-size? Higher resolutions don't have the same pixel ratio. Half of 1024x768 is 512x384. Fine. But half of say 1280x1024 is 640x512 which is more than 512x384 and so fraps will be capturing less than every other pixel which will make the result look a bit shifty. Originally by: Seleene Set FRAPS to run at 20 FPS, half size. If you are using Premiere, or any other program I suppose, this allows you to encode the footage at 25-30 FPS and smooths out a lot of the jumpiness and lag in certian segments. This is why many of Leafo's vids and my last one with Merchant Marines flow so well even though there is a lot going on. Interesting, how do you figure? Surely recording at 15fps is less of a strain on your comp enabling a less jerky capture. What good is recording at 20fps when the battles at hand often make EVE render less than 20fps anyway. Plus rendering the vid in 15fps keeps size down. Or is there more to this? Well one thing's for sure, I'm going to have to try it all out again!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 11:56:00 - [53] Edited by: Seleene on 27/10/2004 11:59:22 Edited by: Seleene on 27/10/2004 11:58:43 Originally by: Spanker Probably wrong here, but doesn't 1024x768 give you the best result if going half-size? Higher resolutions don't have the same pixel ratio. Half of 1024x768 is 512x384. Fine. But half of say 1280x1024 is 640x512 which is more than 512x384 and so fraps will be capturing less than every other pixel which will make the result look a bit shifty. I don't claim to understand all of the math involved, but I've tried several different resolutions and haven't seen a noticeable degradation in quality when running in a super-high res. When I do the encoding, the final product is a 5:4 ratio (640x512) and everything looks beautiful. Quote: Interesting, how do you figure? Surely recording at 15fps is less of a strain on your comp enabling a less jerky capture. What good is recording at 20fps when the battles at hand often make EVE render less than 20fps anyway. Plus rendering the vid in 15fps keeps size down. Or is there more to this? Well one thing's for sure, I'm going to have to try it all out again! Using some of the suggestions posted on the forums of late, especially this thread, I've managed to get FRAPS to a point where even during small fleet engagements my FPS rarely dips below 20. In fact, I've done a few test runs on a few of the rather laggy fleet battles from our current war and the final rendered results have been better than I believed possible. As for computer strain, I specifically got a 10k SATA Raptor drive to do my FRAPS recording on recently and that helped a lot as well. At the end of the night, I just move all of the raw footage to a storage area to work with later. A lot of people miss the point about HD speed. I've got some screenshots of my Premire settings that Leafo helped me set up that I'll try to link to later as well. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 11:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Seleene on 27/10/2004 11:59:22 Edited by: Seleene on 27/10/2004 11:58:43 Originally by: Spanker Probably wrong here, but doesn't 1024x768 give you the best result if going half-size? Higher resolutions don't have the same pixel ratio. Half of 1024x768 is 512x384. Fine. But half of say 1280x1024 is 640x512 which is more than 512x384 and so fraps will be capturing less than every other pixel which will make the result look a bit shifty. I don't claim to understand all of the math involved, but I've tried several different resolutions and haven't seen a noticeable degradation in quality when running in a super-high res. When I do the encoding, the final product is a 5:4 ratio (640x512) and everything looks beautiful. Quote: Interesting, how do you figure? Surely recording at 15fps is less of a strain on your comp enabling a less jerky capture. What good is recording at 20fps when the battles at hand often make EVE render less than 20fps anyway. Plus rendering the vid in 15fps keeps size down. Or is there more to this? Well one thing's for sure, I'm going to have to try it all out again! Using some of the suggestions posted on the forums of late, especially this thread, I've managed to get FRAPS to a point where even during small fleet engagements my FPS rarely dips below 20. In fact, I've done a few test runs on a few of the rather laggy fleet battles from our current war and the final rendered results have been better than I believed possible. As for computer strain, I specifically got a 10k SATA Raptor drive to do my FRAPS recording on recently and that helped a lot as well. At the end of the night, I just move all of the raw footage to a storage area to work with later. A lot of people miss the point about HD speed. I've got some screenshots of my Premire settings that Leafo helped me set up that I'll try to link to later as well. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Kane Jacobs	Posted - 2004.10.27 12:09:00 - [55] Leafo uses Adobe Premiere. _______________________________________________
Kane Jacobs	Posted - 2004.10.27 12:09:00 - [56] Leafo uses Adobe Premiere. _______________________________________________
Spanker	Posted - 2004.10.27 12:12:00 - [57] Yeah I noticed that, HD operations are definitely what slow things down the most. Just by capturing to a different disk than windows and eve run from helps a bundle. Thanks for the thread link, and I'll be doing some tests with 20fps and different resolutions. Good job fraps exists eh, adds a whole lot of phun to this EVE business :p
Spanker	Posted - 2004.10.27 12:12:00 - [58] Yeah I noticed that, HD operations are definitely what slow things down the most. Just by capturing to a different disk than windows and eve run from helps a bundle. Thanks for the thread link, and I'll be doing some tests with 20fps and different resolutions. Good job fraps exists eh, adds a whole lot of phun to this EVE business :p
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.27 13:14:00 - [59] Edited by: LocalHost on 27/10/2004 13:19:13 Ok. I made a little movie this morning with what I had learned from this thread and from my practice last night. Mind you, it's just a little test movie so please don't pencil me in for worst movie of the year just yet. :) This thread was started to locate an semi-professional solution for arranging my clips into decent movies. I so far am very please with Adobe Premiere Effects. For $99 US I think it was a great deal. I have not even begun to use all its features. With all the great advice in this thread, anyone looking to get started with making some fun movies should be well on their way. Little test moive! Fraps settings used; version 2.33 20 FPS Half-Size EVE settings; 1600x1200 The first time I exported in just MOVIE option the file was 122 MB using the default settings of; Video Settings Compressor: DV (NTSC) Frame size: 720h 480v (0.900) Frame rate: 29.97 frames/second Pixel Aspect Ratio: D1/DV NTSC (0.9) Color depth: Millions of colors Quality: 100 (out of 100) Fields: Lower Field First After using the settings below and changing the dimensions to 640 x 480 the file size was 4.3 MB without any 3rd party compression. I could notice no degradation in the video. Made my own preset with this; General Summary: Output: Compressed Average Kbps: Variable Video Summary: Codec: Windows Media Video 9 Encoding Passes: Two Bitrate Mode: Variable Unconstrained Allow interlaced processing: Off Audio Summary: Codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1 Encoding Passes: Two Bitrate Mode: Variable Unconstrained Metadata Summary: Audiences Summary: High bandwidth Decoder Complexity: Auto Frame Rate [fps]: 30 Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square Pixels (1.0) Frame Width [pixels]: 640 Frame Height [pixels]: 480 Keyframe Interval [seconds]: 5 Buffer Size [seconds]: Default Average Video Bitrate: 928.00 (low quality) Audio Format: 96 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo VBR \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.27 13:14:00 - [60] Edited by: LocalHost on 27/10/2004 13:19:13 Ok. I made a little movie this morning with what I had learned from this thread and from my practice last night. Mind you, it's just a little test movie so please don't pencil me in for worst movie of the year just yet. :) This thread was started to locate an semi-professional solution for arranging my clips into decent movies. I so far am very please with Adobe Premiere Effects. For $99 US I think it was a great deal. I have not even begun to use all its features. With all the great advice in this thread, anyone looking to get started with making some fun movies should be well on their way. Little test moive! Fraps settings used; version 2.33 20 FPS Half-Size EVE settings; 1600x1200 The first time I exported in just MOVIE option the file was 122 MB using the default settings of; Video Settings Compressor: DV (NTSC) Frame size: 720h 480v (0.900) Frame rate: 29.97 frames/second Pixel Aspect Ratio: D1/DV NTSC (0.9) Color depth: Millions of colors Quality: 100 (out of 100) Fields: Lower Field First After using the settings below and changing the dimensions to 640 x 480 the file size was 4.3 MB without any 3rd party compression. I could notice no degradation in the video. Made my own preset with this; General Summary: Output: Compressed Average Kbps: Variable Video Summary: Codec: Windows Media Video 9 Encoding Passes: Two Bitrate Mode: Variable Unconstrained Allow interlaced processing: Off Audio Summary: Codec: Windows Media Audio 9.1 Encoding Passes: Two Bitrate Mode: Variable Unconstrained Metadata Summary: Audiences Summary: High bandwidth Decoder Complexity: Auto Frame Rate [fps]: 30 Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square Pixels (1.0) Frame Width [pixels]: 640 Frame Height [pixels]: 480 Keyframe Interval [seconds]: 5 Buffer Size [seconds]: Default Average Video Bitrate: 928.00 (low quality) Audio Format: 96 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo VBR \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 13:19:00 - [61] Looks good, Local! Try doing the same thing in 640x512 and see what you think of the results. Other than that, looks like you're well on your way! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 13:19:00 - [62] Looks good, Local! Try doing the same thing in 640x512 and see what you think of the results. Other than that, looks like you're well on your way! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Deovina	Posted - 2004.10.27 13:23:00 - [63] LocalHost and Seleence could you give some indications what kind of system you use? I've some performance problems... Did anyone of you tried Gamecam instat of fraps? PS: http://www.planetgamecam.com/index.php?locid=newscurrent
Deovina	Posted - 2004.10.27 13:23:00 - [64] LocalHost and Seleence could you give some indications what kind of system you use? I've some performance problems... Did anyone of you tried Gamecam instat of fraps? PS: http://www.planetgamecam.com/index.php?locid=newscurrent
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 13:41:00 - [65] Originally by: Deovina LocalHost and Seleence could you give some indications what kind of system you use? I've some performance problems... P4 2.6GHz ASUS P4P800 MB 1.0 GB PC4000 RAM 1x 36GB SATA Raptor HD 1x 250GB SATA HD ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256 MB WIN XP Pro SP1 FYI - Even with the lastest version of FRAPS, SP2 on XP Pro cuts my FPS down to 1/3 of normal. This is not an uncommon problem and has been covered at length in other threads. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.10.27 13:41:00 - [66] Originally by: Deovina LocalHost and Seleence could you give some indications what kind of system you use? I've some performance problems... P4 2.6GHz ASUS P4P800 MB 1.0 GB PC4000 RAM 1x 36GB SATA Raptor HD 1x 250GB SATA HD ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256 MB WIN XP Pro SP1 FYI - Even with the lastest version of FRAPS, SP2 on XP Pro cuts my FPS down to 1/3 of normal. This is not an uncommon problem and has been covered at length in other threads. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Schroni	Posted - 2004.10.27 14:38:00 - [67] i use about the same fraps settings as Seleene, for the editing i use Magix Video Studio 2004 (something like that), which i got for free with my new video card. i run EVE at 1280x1024, with a ATI Radeon 9600pro and a seperate 80GB UDMA 133 HDD --- SNIGG Forums my videos
Schroni	Posted - 2004.10.27 14:38:00 - [68] i use about the same fraps settings as Seleene, for the editing i use Magix Video Studio 2004 (something like that), which i got for free with my new video card. i run EVE at 1280x1024, with a ATI Radeon 9600pro and a seperate 80GB UDMA 133 HDD --- SNIGG Forums my videos
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.27 16:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Deovina LocalHost and Seleence could you give some indications what kind of system you use? I've some performance problems... Did anyone of you tried Gamecam instat of fraps? PS: http://www.planetgamecam.com/index.php?locid=newscurrent AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1.92GHz ASUS A7V8X 1536MB PC2700 DDR-SDRAM NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 WIN XP Pro SP1 2 x WD 80MB/8MB Cache/2700 I reverted to SP1 because I could no longer run both my accounts after installing SP2. I was not aware of the Fraps and SP2 issue. -->>Did anyone of you tried Gamecam instat of fraps? I have never tried that Deovina. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.27 16:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Deovina LocalHost and Seleence could you give some indications what kind of system you use? I've some performance problems... Did anyone of you tried Gamecam instat of fraps? PS: http://www.planetgamecam.com/index.php?locid=newscurrent AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1.92GHz ASUS A7V8X 1536MB PC2700 DDR-SDRAM NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 WIN XP Pro SP1 2 x WD 80MB/8MB Cache/2700 I reverted to SP1 because I could no longer run both my accounts after installing SP2. I was not aware of the Fraps and SP2 issue. -->>Did anyone of you tried Gamecam instat of fraps? I have never tried that Deovina. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.27 16:03:00 - [71] Originally by: Seleene P4 2.6GHz ASUS P4P800 MB 1.0 GB PC4000 RAM 1x 36GB SATA Raptor HD 1x 250GB SATA HD ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256 MB WIN XP Pro SP1 That's a mean machine you have there. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
LocalHost	Posted - 2004.10.27 16:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Seleene P4 2.6GHz ASUS P4P800 MB 1.0 GB PC4000 RAM 1x 36GB SATA Raptor HD 1x 250GB SATA HD ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256 MB WIN XP Pro SP1 That's a mean machine you have there. \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Minsc	Posted - 2004.10.27 19:22:00 - [73] Vid looks great so far but then again I'm biased. Seriousily though the clarity of the video is pretty good considering it's size, I've watched many eve vids that were 10x larger and the quality was nowhere near that.
Minsc	Posted - 2004.10.27 19:22:00 - [74] Vid looks great so far but then again I'm biased. Seriousily though the clarity of the video is pretty good considering it's size, I've watched many eve vids that were 10x larger and the quality was nowhere near that.
Sun Wu	Posted - 2004.10.27 20:03:00 - [75] p4 2.6HT w/ 800MHz fsb kingston hyperX 1024mb ddr400 x800xt vivo 256mb ram 1x 160gb sata 1x 120 gb sata 2x 80 gb ide xp pro sp2 fraps 2.2.5 premiere pro 1.5 is what I'm running. Concerning frames just starting recording seems to drop my fps down to 25-20ish in space with other ships around, haven't checked out on the singularity yet how the shiva patch will effect fps, haven't had a proper large scale combat happen yet, atleast so far. In an intresting moment the first thing I did with the new graphics card was start EVE and see what gains I had in EVE and to my dismay I at first with my old settings was still seeing just 25fps inside the station(that's at 1280x1024). Once I went higher though it seemed there was almost no loss of frames, but I did run into another problem, text in 1600x1200 and beyond is really tiny :( . I'm running EVE with all the goodies on although that's prolly also questionable since sun occlusion and so forth all take their share of the processor pie. Since it's a vivo card I think it has the possibility to do hardware coding of video aswell, but so far I haven't had a chance to test that successfully. Does anyone know about how to do that? ________________________________
Sun Wu	Posted - 2004.10.27 20:03:00 - [76] p4 2.6HT w/ 800MHz fsb kingston hyperX 1024mb ddr400 x800xt vivo 256mb ram 1x 160gb sata 1x 120 gb sata 2x 80 gb ide xp pro sp2 fraps 2.2.5 premiere pro 1.5 is what I'm running. Concerning frames just starting recording seems to drop my fps down to 25-20ish in space with other ships around, haven't checked out on the singularity yet how the shiva patch will effect fps, haven't had a proper large scale combat happen yet, atleast so far. In an intresting moment the first thing I did with the new graphics card was start EVE and see what gains I had in EVE and to my dismay I at first with my old settings was still seeing just 25fps inside the station(that's at 1280x1024). Once I went higher though it seemed there was almost no loss of frames, but I did run into another problem, text in 1600x1200 and beyond is really tiny :( . I'm running EVE with all the goodies on although that's prolly also questionable since sun occlusion and so forth all take their share of the processor pie. Since it's a vivo card I think it has the possibility to do hardware coding of video aswell, but so far I haven't had a chance to test that successfully. Does anyone know about how to do that? ________________________________
Mean Jeebus	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:13:00 - [77] Edited by: Mean Jeebus on 27/10/2004 21:15:41 My best friend is a programmer for the NewTek VideoToaster. Has anyone tried using one of those for this stuff along with their capture and editing software? I was thinking of 'borrowing' one and trying it out.
Mean Jeebus	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:13:00 - [78] Edited by: Mean Jeebus on 27/10/2004 21:15:41 My best friend is a programmer for the NewTek VideoToaster. Has anyone tried using one of those for this stuff along with their capture and editing software? I was thinking of 'borrowing' one and trying it out.
Directive	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:28:00 - [79] Originally by: Nalias If you are advanced enough to use Linux, Broadcast 2000c is a free and open source video editor that is very powerful. Most Linux distros also come with streaming encoders for MPG and AVI, which are the only 2 standardized compression formats, and therefore the only 2 you should use. AVI for one isn't any specific compression format, it's just a container, such as OGG, Matroska and bunch of others. DivX, Xvid, MPEG-4, pretty much every codec's output can be encompassed inside "an" AVI.
Directive	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:28:00 - [80] Originally by: Nalias If you are advanced enough to use Linux, Broadcast 2000c is a free and open source video editor that is very powerful. Most Linux distros also come with streaming encoders for MPG and AVI, which are the only 2 standardized compression formats, and therefore the only 2 you should use. AVI for one isn't any specific compression format, it's just a container, such as OGG, Matroska and bunch of others. DivX, Xvid, MPEG-4, pretty much every codec's output can be encompassed inside "an" AVI.

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