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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/10/2009 18:06:35
Originally by: Zhilia Mann Dude, agro much? Who exactly hasn't taken meds?
.... me?
Quote: Passive Ravens work; Pottsey has proven this time and time again and raging against it means next to nothing.
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So wtf is the issue exactly?
"Working" does not make it a good idea. "Working" does not make it as efficient as an active tank. "Working" is really kinda meaningless. It's like telling noobs that they should fly assault frigs in L4s because it works. Sure, it works. No, it's not really a good idea.
I mean, if someone wanted to say "This works for me, I know it's a piece of dog**** that is highly inefficient but I don't care because I only hit f1 and alt-tab from my pron screen every 20 minutes" I'd say "OK..." and maybe try to help them further down the road they want to go.
But someone honestly suggesting that a passive Raven missions as well as an active Raven? Not a chance.
-Liang
Ed: And FYI, I happen to know what tank is required on a 3 rigor/6 cruise Raven - and it is more than 200 DPS. You can get away with that **** on a Golem or Nightmare or something, but the vanilla Raven doesn't have the DPS to make that really work. You will need that booster, and most likely you'll need the XL. And that's if you don't **** up aggro. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann Dude, agro much? Who exactly hasn't taken meds?
Only to very special persons
Originally by: Zhilia Mann So wtf is the issue exactly?
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Clasina
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Posted - 2009.10.05 19:25:00 -
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if youre so :effort: that managing a shield booster is too much effort for you then you mind as ****ing well use a passive rokh since its pretty obvious you can't be assed enough to do anything efficiently
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hauntingappiriton
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:16:00 -
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I don't care how much you all cry or think you know. Truth is you don't pay each others bills. I don't care if some one puts hams on a raven passive tanks it active tanks it or puts civilian modules on it. You all will never agree on a fit no matter what some one will say it sucks . Btw I pvp in a raven and I really good with it even solo so ....yeah emo rage about how I do it
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: hauntingappiriton I don't care how much you all cry or think you know. Truth is you don't pay each others bills. I don't care if some one puts hams on a raven passive tanks it active tanks it or puts civilian modules on it. You all will never agree on a fit no matter what some one will say it sucks . Btw I pvp in a raven and I really good with it even solo so ....yeah emo rage about how I do it
It's not so rare as you might think to have a standard fit become the de-facto standard.
A year ago, the standard Raven was: 6 Cruise XL SB, SBA, 3 Hardeners, PWNAGE/CR 3 BCU, 2 PDU 3 CCC
Right now, the standard Hurricane fit is: 6 220, 2 (HAM/Neut) MWD, Disruptor, 2 LSE 3 Gyro, DC, 2 Nano Ambit/Extender/Resist Rigs
While the individual modules may change slightly, they're really just variations on the same tried and proven theme. I'm sure if you look back, you can see other ships that had standard fits that didn't change for substantial periods of time (Rupture, Vexor, Thorax, Muninn, Cerberus, Megathron, Hyperion, Geddon, Harbinger, etc).
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.05 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 05/10/2009 23:16:23
Originally by: zanopheer
Originally by: Pottsey Zanopheer there are energy drain in level 4's. It depends on which group of rats you fight.
yea from ships, which by the way amount to crap, take an active tank into an L5 and you'll see the difference.
Umm, I did a level 4 mission recently that had 4 energy neut towers. PITA, and that's with active hardened but passive recharge Drake. Would have been easier with any Raven as the towers were outside my noobish HML range at >62 km, so I had to slow-boat into range and rely on only my un-hardened buffer.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.10.06 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren It's not so rare as you might think to have a standard fit become the de-facto standard.
A year ago, the standard Raven was: 6 Cruise XL SB, SBA, 3 Hardeners, PWNAGE/CR 3 BCU, 2 PDU 3 CCC
Right now, the standard Hurricane fit is: 6 220, 2 (HAM/Neut) MWD, Disruptor, 2 LSE 3 Gyro, DC, 2 Nano Ambit/Extender/Resist Rigs
-Liang
I liked my 4 bcu perma run large booster raven better (4 boostamp/hardener, cap recharger, cap flux, 6x cruise, 3x ccc) don't remember the pwnage being all that useful back then.
also I really don't get why you went from a standard raven fit from a year ago to current hurricane setup You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 07:43:00 -
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To illustrate that there always have been, and currently are, "standard" setups that virtually everyone agrees on.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
L'Artest
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Posted - 2009.10.06 12:18:00 -
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A 4th BCU add about 27dps, how are you (everyone?) justifying that this is a good use of a low slot on a ship with only 5 low slots?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.06 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: L'Artest A 4th BCU add about 27dps, how are you (everyone?) justifying that this is a good use of a low slot on a ship with only 5 low slots?
The only reasonable alternative is a PDU, which gives even less of a boost to your tank… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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L'Artest
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Posted - 2009.10.06 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: L'Artest A 4th BCU add about 27dps, how are you (everyone?) justifying that this is a good use of a low slot on a ship with only 5 low slots?
The only reasonable alternative is a PDU, which gives even less of a boost to your tanką
Regular Ravens (That are not nessicarily T2, as seen in OP) could use that boost to cap/shield tbh
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/10/2009 18:06:35
Originally by: Zhilia Mann Dude, agro much? Who exactly hasn't taken meds?
.... me?
No.... You're actually not very good at the full agro post; cf. Merin. Not that that's a bad thing.
Originally by: Liang Nuren "Working" does not make it a good idea. "Working" does not make it as efficient as an active tank. "Working" is really kinda meaningless. It's like telling noobs that they should fly assault frigs in L4s because it works. Sure, it works. No, it's not really a good idea.
Fair enough. I can't even fly one and never want to. Triple omni Domi seems to get the job done just fine. As does the NH. Though I don't use a passive shield tank.
Originally by: Liang Nuren I mean, if someone wanted to say "This works for me, I know it's a piece of dog**** that is highly inefficient but I don't care because I only hit f1 and alt-tab from my pron screen every 20 minutes" I'd say "OK..." and maybe try to help them further down the road they want to go.
But someone honestly suggesting that a passive Raven missions as well as an active Raven? Not a chance.
Meh. I like the idea of passive tanking. In some ways it's a better introduction to PvP; there's a shorter step from passive to buffer than active to buffer wrt shield tanking.
But you're right; it probably isn't an optimal solution on a Raven.
Originally by: Liang Nuren Ed: And FYI, I happen to know what tank is required on a 3 rigor/6 cruise Raven - and it is more than 200 DPS. You can get away with that **** on a Golem or Nightmare or something, but the vanilla Raven doesn't have the DPS to make that really work. You will need that booster, and most likely you'll need the XL. And that's if you don't **** up aggro.
Dual pith-Bs still work alright, don't they? The NH doesn't sig tank that much.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann Dual pith-Bs still work alright, don't they? The NH doesn't sig tank that much.
The NH certainly doesn't sig-tank in a passive setup, no, because with all those shield mods, it ends up the size of a small moon. In a dual-active+AB setup, however, it sigtanks very well (as long as you stay away from certain T2 ammo) on top of the already insane tank you can get out of those boosters (but which you generally don't need). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
AnKahn
Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:13:00 -
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Passive tanked Drakes(and Myrms)shield tank better than some Battleships using LSEers.
You can passive shield tank a HAC and get a pretty nice tank.
In both of the above examples you get a lot of passive regen that acts like you are perma running an active repper. This adds a significant amount of "extra" tank WHILE YOU ARE BEING SHOT.
The passive regen on a BS tank trying to do the same trick is meh. In order to get the relatively same "magic" out of a BS size ship you would need the next larger shield extender the "XLSE", EvE's version of the snipe.
If you had XLSE to put on Ravens they would tank like the next ship class up so you would get a 1200 DPS boat that never misses, has range, and can hit smaller ships with a Cap ship sized buffer that retains the agility of a shield tanker. Overpowered much??
What Pottsy does is fly a buffered shield tank that can regen between DPS spikes and he gets away with it because he can kill the incoming DPS fast.
Pottsy has been on about this since back when all I cared about was Ravens. Keep the dream alive brother!
And that's all I have to say about that.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: L'Artest
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: L'Artest A 4th BCU add about 27dps, how are you (everyone?) justifying that this is a good use of a low slot on a ship with only 5 low slots?
The only reasonable alternative is a PDU, which gives even less of a boost to your tanką
Regular Ravens (That are not nessicarily T2, as seen in OP) could use that boost to cap/shield tbh
welcome to the mission ***** forum where all skills are assumed to be at level 5, as well as correct 5% implants plugged in unless explicitly stated otherwise.
why is it that way? a) easier to compare fits b) some of us actually have all level 5 skills c) just because, so deal m'kay? You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Forum Chav
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Posted - 2009.10.06 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Chav on 06/10/2009 18:52:59 lol, raven's still providing forum contretemps i see.
main flies a raven in missions. has flown both active and passive. active to me [with twin small pith b's] is quicker than a passive. i also cannot see how a passive tank can also have damage mods. those lows are for regen mods surely?
having said that, i don't time myself missioning. if i take 10mins or 15. who gives a f***?
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