They absolutely can be stopped. Either alpha the dessies as they go GCC or suicide the Nados before they fire (one Nado can kill 3-4 gank Nados before getting concorded itself). Or shoot the outlaw gankers as they land.

Miners are just too lazy to stop their pet gankers



Nope. You don't actually understand what the word "risk" means.

I guarantee if CCP came out and said that everything is working as intended and that miners have the ability to protect themselves by either utilizing thier fittings in a way that would make it impossible for someone to suicide gank them, or to start working with others, that you guys would tell CCP they were wrong, that there's no way to stop someone from ganking you, and that CCP needs to make the hulk impossible to be blown up in hi sec or remove the ability to suicide gank.
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Then I submit you do not know how to execute a proper gank.
If you have scanned the miner and it does not have any ECM
then it is dead 100% as in no chance if the ganker is skilled in his trade.
Only chance under this scenario is if the miner is not there when the gankers arrive.
Now again this is not risk because you did not get a chance to open fire and your ships did not get concorded for nothing.
You live to find another target. Neither side lost anything.

What else?

Your theory is great and all but it's not possible to utilize your fittings to be impossible to suicide gank so you pretty much have no point to your post.

So, uh, what ships in the game are impossible to suicide gank?

So, uh, what ships in the game are impossible to suicide gank?

Because every suicide gank attempt occurs with only two actors present, right?

You already saw a nerf to suicide ganking in Crucible with the removal of insurance for ships killed by CONCORD - what more do you want?

I'm guessing titans maybe?

Because every suicide gank attempt occurs with only two actors present, right?

You already saw a nerf to suicide ganking in Crucible with the removal of insurance for ships killed by CONCORD - what more do you want?

They want to bloat their wallets in total safety and seclusion, not interacting with other players while they gain an economic advantage over people they want nothing to do with. They want to be able to do this in such safety and seclusion that they can go do laundry at the laundromat and then go out for ice cream and come home with more currency than they left with because of the improbable RMT scheme that becomes possible in this ludicrous pipe-dreamworld.

I think that about covers it.

This


Is crap. You don't even need to tank a retreiver, let alone a hulk, to deal with rats in hi sec. 3 drones will kill the rats for you, with not a single module installed to provide you any bit of extra defense.


Why do you guys keep trying to perpetrate this myth that it's impossible to tank a hulk to deal with the ONE guy trying to blow you up in hi sec. CCP knows you guys are full of crap, as does anyone else who has the openmindedness to actually read what everyonehas been saying in every single thread about this.

Instead you guys just keep coming up with one excuse after the other to say that it's not possible.

First it's OMG, WTF, YEILD!!
Then it's OMG, WTF, ISK PER HOUR!!!
Then you got OMG, WTF, CONCORD DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROTECT ME!!!!
Then you'll move on to OMG, WTF, IT'S GREIFING!!!!!
Then we get OMG, WTF, WE HAZ ALL THE RISK!!!!!!
Now you're saying OMG, WTF, THE SHIP DOSNT HAZ THE CPU AND POWERZ!!!!!!!


I look forward to the next excuse.

Technically True. But that's because they aren't allowed in HS, thus there is no CONCORD to make it a Suicide Gank. It's a function of the space rather than the fit/ship.

apparently you don't read so well
nobody said its impossible to tank against one guy in highsec, I said quite the opposite
"a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker"

what I said is anything more than that is impossible due to restricted CPU and grid and the notion expressed by people who gank in groups, that tank will help, is very misleading.

I'll forget your slip up since you are apparently one of the new recruits and don't know when your calling one of your own allies a bear

Ganking is no risk... don't listen to the nullbears... I wish life was as risky as ganking.

Know you are going to lose X isk, know you are going to make at least X + Y isk.

Go pop out to null rofl do a scan.

Orca
Orca
Hulk
Hulk
Hulk
Hulk
Hulk

That's a SMALL little op I found from a low sec > null wh... rofl..

All this ganking is to make the null bears more money.

I like to see these people gank or kick their own hulks... O rite... again comes back to this is ALLLLLLLL to make the null bears isk.

apparently you don't read so well
nobody said its impossible to tank against one guy in highsec, I said quite the opposite
"a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker"

what I said is anything more than that is impossible due to restricted CPU and grid and the notion expressed by people who gank in groups, that tank will help, is very misleading.

I'll forget your slip up since you are apparently one of the new recruits and don't know when your calling one of your own allies a bear

Ganking is no risk... don't listen to the nullbears... I wish life was as risky as ganking.

Know you are going to lose X isk, know you are going to make at least X + Y isk.

Go pop out to null rofl do a scan.

Orca
Orca
Hulk
Hulk
Hulk
Hulk
Hulk

That's a SMALL little op I found from a low sec > null wh... rofl..

All this ganking is to make the null bears more money.

I like to see these people gank or kick their own hulks... O rite... again comes back to this is ALLLLLLLL to make the null bears isk.

I was going for the technicality but considering the level of discourse I abandoned that angle because I didn't expect anyone to be quick enough mentally to pick up on it.

that's what hello kitty online is for.

Tanking your Hulk will make it a breakeven (at best) proposition to gank you. Especially in the higher security bands.
30k EHP vs ~600dps*20s(CONCORD response in .5) per 5m ISK Catalyst means 3 Catalysts are needed to gank you (4 if you use ECM drones).
Your Hulk is likely to drop 10m in loot and 10m in salvage. Without the GSF bounty, that's a breakeven gank. With it, it's 2.5m Isk per pilot.

An untanked Hulk only costs 2 catalysts worth 10m to guarantee a gank and the gang can be hitting 2 targets per 15min gcc cycle instead of 1.

Flying your mining ship actively and avoiding gankers all together is an even better option.

yes, of course it is

Just don't be so quick to attack any suggestion that the system could be improved a little to allow for a touch more diversity
it doesn't mean "mining should be safer"
miners should have to use all the tools available to them to survive just like the rest of us, they just seem to have a pretty ****** toolkit

Tanking your Hulk will make it a breakeven (at best) proposition to gank you. Especially in the higher security bands.
30k EHP vs ~600dps*20s(CONCORD response in .5) per 5m ISK Catalyst means 3 Catalysts are needed to gank you (4 if you use ECM drones).
Your Hulk is likely to drop 10m in loot and 10m in salvage. Without the GSF bounty, that's a breakeven gank. With it, it's 2.5m Isk per pilot.

An untanked Hulk only costs 2 catalysts worth 10m to guarantee a gank and the gang can be hitting 2 targets per 15min gcc cycle instead of 1.

Flying your mining ship actively and avoiding gankers all together is an even better option.

catalyst should be doing over 700 DPS hot and you can force extend the response time of concord to well beyond 20 seconds in .5 space. Come on people learn a little or at least do a little testing before making comments about stuff.

An untanked hulk is easy prey for a well setup catalyst even in .9 space (1.0 space should be easy too but it's no guarantee).

Again, not if it also mines aligned.

Do bears just not have the ability to string together multiple complete thoughts?

How hard is it to press the align button?

Again, not if it also mines aligned.

Do bears just not have the ability to string together multiple complete thoughts?

How hard is it to press the align button?

what are you going to do aligned? Sit there and wish you could warp cause you're webbed? Are you seriously advocating the usage of warp core stabilizers now? Even with stabilizers in the 30 seconds it takes for your hulk to get to full speed concord is already there. Are all nullbears this stupid or just you?

What are you going to do aligned? Sit there and wish you could warp cause you're webbed? Are you seriously advocating the usage of warp core stabilizers now? Even with stabilizers in the 30 seconds it takes for your hulk to get to full speed concord is already there. Are all nullbears this bad at the game or just you?

You dont sit still stupid.