The T1 ships' tan-brown isn't quite the right color IMHO.

It's too "clean" of a brown. I think you could have something a little "grungier".
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I have a feeling they're still wip, they seem to lack something... a shader maybe.

I'm liking what I'm seeing though already.

The "Clean" isn't the issue, it's that the color FEELs too clean.

Uploaded an image to compare the Tornado Brown (which I like) to the hurricane brown) which I don't.

It's a subtle difference, but it's very different feeling when you look at the ships :

http://i.imgur.com/RWQG2.jpg

I think everything should start clean. With future temp battle damage textures, I could see a scratch and dent filter being applied over time, and make it look worn.

T2 wise Core complexion ships look good, Boundless creation ships have a cool camofage and Thukker mix are also okay.

Angel cartel minmatar hulls

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5182016/2012.06.09.11.48.52.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5182016/2012.06.09.11.57.17.png

wtf is this snow camo?

Also none of the other angel ships have been v3'd.

Angel cartel minmatar hulls

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5182016/2012.06.09.11.48.52.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5182016/2012.06.09.11.57.17.png

wtf is this snow camo?

Also none of the other angel ships have been v3'd.

Those are not Cartel.

They'd have a Cartel logo on them instead of the Thukker one (more easily visible in the second picture) if they were.

The ones used by angel rats on TQ are also Thukker versions, as far as i know they've always been like that.

Getting perhaps original design destroyers and battlecruisers to replace these would be sweet though.

That doesn't make them Cartel. It makes them hired guns.

And that'd be nice, but good luck with that. We'll get those around when the Bhaalgorn gets its own hull.

anyone else notice that the fleet and tribal tempests no longer have their squared off solar panels? i personally really hope that it is just a mistake on CCP's part and that it doesn't ship to TQ this way...

I have a feeling they're still wip, they seem to lack something... a shader maybe.

What have they done to the vagabond

I want the little wings back

^^ This!!

Vaga lost its ears

Hey Rust lovers

I just wanted to let you know that I agree with those of you who think that the new Minmatar color looks too "tan" and not the nice deep rust tone that most of us like. We can however not fix this before Inferno 1.1

The color of the ships is done mostly in our engine .This give us more options and control over variations but it also tends make colors a little more monotone. We are aware of this and looking into ways to improve on it

Hey Rust lovers

I just wanted to let you know that I agree with those of you who think that the new Minmatar color looks too "tan" and not the nice deep rust tone that most of us like. We can however not fix this before Inferno 1.1

The color of the ships is done mostly in our engine .This give us more options and control over variations but it also tends make colors a little more monotone. We are aware of this and looking into ways to improve on it

Hey Rust lovers

I just wanted to let you know that I agree with those of you who think that the new Minmatar color looks too "tan" and not the nice deep rust tone that most of us like. We can however not fix this before Inferno 1.1

The color of the ships is done mostly in our engine .This give us more options and control over variations but it also tends make colors a little more monotone. We are aware of this and looking into ways to improve on it

Vaga needs its dragon ears back.

Angel ships still need to be v3'ed.

The Core Complexion shaders need to be tweaked a bit. I like the black / bluepurple colors but most of the time it makes the hulls look like silhouettes, which is kind of unfortunate. Maybe a nice titanium grey would be better? Personally I think Ti grey with lighter grey accents and blue-white (or maybe orange-white) lights would look bad ass.

I'm going to assume (possibly incorrectly) that you're part of the group doing the V3ing of ships - if so, could you please explain why the Amarr and Minmatar T2 ships departed from the scheme used by the Gallente and Caldari T2 ships?

Caldari and Gallente T2 ships are colored and marked by the R&D corporation that invented the original (Ishukone, Kaalakiota, and Lai Dai for Caldari; CreoDron, DuVolle and Roden for Gallente), but the Amarrian and Minmatar T2 ships use other entities instead - Sarum and Ardishapur Families instead of Carthum and Viziam for the Amarr, and Brutor and Sebiestor Tribes instead of Boundless Creatiion and Core Complexion for the Minmatar.

What gives?

Why not simply wait until you make the Minmatar textures look the way they're supposed to, instead of shoving out an unfinished release? And it will be an unfinished release, as you've admitted, since the ships will not look the way they are supposed to by your own standards.

Vagabonds dragon ears must come back!

Vaga needs its dragon ears back.

Angel ships still need to be v3'ed.

The Core Complexion shaders need to be tweaked a bit. I like the black / bluepurple colors but most of the time it makes the hulls look like silhouettes, which is kind of unfortunate. Maybe a nice titanium grey would be better? Personally I think Ti grey with lighter grey accents and blue-white (or maybe orange-white) lights would look bad ass.

The people have spoken! And so have I as your CSM representative. I've already posted on the internal forums demanding the return of the "dragon ears", and even linked them a reference image.

The people have spoken! And so have I as your CSM representative. I've already posted on the internal forums demanding the return of the "dragon ears", and even linked them a reference image.

THAT is what a true bullet-spitting monster should look like.

Gallente T1 skins: Definitely too bright now.

Space camo is bad! Don't make more camo ships. Or at least make it some camo that actually works. Like red camo on Minnie ships because Minmatar space is red. Now it doesn't make any sense. +1 to the idea of having some kind of hastely slapped on warpaint on Minmatar T2 ships.

the texture glitch under the tempest cockpits (and all its variants) is still there. filed a bug report.
when you are working on texture and shader stuff why not fix that too?
moreover the texture of the tempest "necks" (again, all other tempest ships have also this issue) is very. very low res. same is true for the polygone count of that region. i guess the bad texture aplifies the missing detail?
the main body is fine and looks really nice.

I haven't checked those yet, but god damnit, I already can sense the overcompensation from all the whiners complaining that the amarr ships were too dark because they only looked at them in the preview window.

You did good filing a bug report. The V3 project includes varying degrees of redoing stuff- some ships have been practically rebuilt, some with nothing more than touchups, decals, and new mask textures painted. However one of the results of V3 is that our content is in a reliable and consistent condition- for you, this means defects are easier to find and fix, so there should be less of these annoying minor problems that are not worth fixing (they should become very simple to fix). Previously there was no telling how deep the rabbit hole on some of these art glitches went, that's under control now (for V3'ed content).

On the other hand, some of the ships are in a bad need for a redesign and we're constantly redesigning and redoing the worst offenders, so if a defect is on a ship marked for death, we're more likely to de-prioritize the defect. So I can't answer your questions directly but I can give some insight into how we work and why things are why they are.

On the other hand, some of the ships are in a bad need for a redesign and we're constantly redesigning and redoing the worst offenders, so if a defect is on a ship marked for death, we're more likely to de-prioritize the defect.

I don't believe that TriLambda just forgot about this stuff without any good reason

...

On the other hand, some of the ships are in a bad need for a redesign and we're constantly redesigning and redoing the worst offenders, so if a defect is on a ship marked for death, we're more likely to de-prioritize the defect. So I can't answer your questions directly but I can give some insight into how we work and why things are why they are.

I take this as total, absolute confirmation that a new Tempest is coming.

You did good filing a bug report. The V3 project includes varying degrees of redoing stuff- some ships have been practically rebuilt, some with nothing more than touchups, decals, and new mask textures painted. However one of the results of V3 is that our content is in a reliable and consistent condition- for you, this means defects are easier to find and fix, so there should be less of these annoying minor problems that are not worth fixing (they should become very simple to fix). Previously there was no telling how deep the rabbit hole on some of these art glitches went, that's under control now (for V3'ed content).

On the other hand, some of the ships are in a bad need for a redesign and we're constantly redesigning and redoing the worst offenders, so if a defect is on a ship marked for death, we're more likely to de-prioritize the defect. So I can't answer your questions directly but I can give some insight into how we work and why things are why they are.

Posting to confirm only you ever had the idea to undock. The rest of us are just a bunch of drooling idiots uncapable of thought like "I wonder how this looks like in space?"

That said, Gallente look awful now, leaving not a glimmer of doubt how low-res the diffuse layer of the texture really is. I noticed more visible artifacts on other hulls too. Anything with high contrast looks worse on Sisi now IMO.

I really don't understand why this color change !?
why not use the tornado color ?
and seriously why this camouflage design ??
I think clarify the brown is a very bad idea
with all due respect for your work frankly it's ugly
and again why camo ? why ?

LEAVE MY HUGINN CAMO ALONE ITS SEXY!

Confirming, the new Huginn is wtfbbq sexy.

Also, why not camo?

You did good filing a bug report. The V3 project includes varying degrees of redoing stuff- some ships have been practically rebuilt, some with nothing more than touchups, decals, and new mask textures painted. However one of the results of V3 is that our content is in a reliable and consistent condition- for you, this means defects are easier to find and fix, so there should be less of these annoying minor problems that are not worth fixing (they should become very simple to fix). Previously there was no telling how deep the rabbit hole on some of these art glitches went, that's under control now (for V3'ed content).

On the other hand, some of the ships are in a bad need for a redesign and we're constantly redesigning and redoing the worst offenders, so if a defect is on a ship marked for death, we're more likely to de-prioritize the defect. So I can't answer your questions directly but I can give some insight into how we work and why things are why they are.

Agreed, the generic T1 hullcolor is perhaps a tad too bright,

T2 wise Core complexion ships look good, Boundless creation ships have a cool camoflage and Thukker mix are also okay.

But, what the HELL have you done to the Vaga?

You have removed the wings and the spikes and made it look like a freakin' Fleet Stabber! Herecy!!!!

I thought someone said the tempest on SiSi was remodeled?

Please, correct logos for all Minma Tech II ships (Boundless creations, core complexion and Thukker Mix).

Frontal solar panels (ears) for vagas.

Squared solar panels for fleet tempest.

*still thinks that color of sand or wave of it added on hulls(tribal markings even) is way more pro/lore/awesome than this in space hide in a bushes camouflage will ever be.

I cant even begin to justify thinking beyond it it is simply r**@***d sry...also tempest fleet issue solar thingy give it back plz.

Also ship bridge is decade old joke.

Hey Rust lovers

I just wanted to let you know that I agree with those of you who think that the new Minmatar color looks too "tan" and not the nice deep rust tone that most of us like. We can however not fix this before Inferno 1.1

The color of the ships is done mostly in our engine .This give us more options and control over variations but it also tends make colors a little more monotone. We are aware of this and looking into ways to improve on it

I don't understand why you've made incorrect logos for Amarr Tech II ships on a first patch (Inferno) and why you've corrected these logos in a second patch (inferno 1.1). In Inferno Amarr TII ships have Sarum, Ardishapur and Khanid Kingdom logos and in Inferno 1.1 they'll have the correct Khanid innovations, Carthum and Viziam logos.

Why're you repeating this procedure with Minmatar V3?. First version of TII Minmatar ships have Sebiestor, Brutor and Thukker Tribe logos instead of Boundless, Thukker Mix or Core Complexion logos. Are you going to correct this on a later patch again?.

I don't understand why not making the correct logos in the first V3 version

It seems whoever is directing the art department has something against the classic Minmatar wingy bits. Watch out Tempest, you're probably the worst offender in their eyes.

The Vaga is a Thukker Mix vessel. But apparently this Fin-icide is not limited to any particular manufacturer. I most miss the lack of shark fin shaped wingy bits on the Boundless Creation ships. Particularly the Hound. No dorsal fin makes me

We have already lost the wonderful rich greens on Gallente ships, the wonderful gold on Amarr, black on Khanid, and bright red trim with Carthum Conglomerate. Next it appears is losing character on Minmatar ships.

Please stop this CCP and restore character to our ships.

Hey Rust lovers

I just wanted to let you know that I agree with those of you who think that the new Minmatar color looks too "tan" and not the nice deep rust tone that most of us like. We can however not fix this before Inferno 1.1

The color of the ships is done mostly in our engine .This give us more options and control over variations but it also tends make colors a little more monotone. We are aware of this and looking into ways to improve on it

Am i the only one who things the new Amarr gold is a lot better on the eyes?

Maybe its a difference between monitors or something but i think they all look great.

I do like the new Amarr t1 look a lot more than the old ones, and a lot more than the bright, shiny yellow legion skins.

However, some of the t2 skins, specifically the Viziam models look really bland. For example, the sentinel looks almost identical to the t1 crucifier; it has lost all the differentiating features that made it a sentinel.

Am i the only one who things the new Amarr gold is a lot better on the eyes?

Maybe its a difference between monitors or something but i think they all look great.