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Drusilla	Posted - 2004.10.27 17:46:00 - [1] Waht information do we have about their skill requirements, and the abilities of the ships themselves?
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.10.27 17:46:00 - [2] Waht information do we have about their skill requirements, and the abilities of the ships themselves?
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.27 18:33:00 - [3] They haven't been playtested yet but the figures that were heard on the grapevine were 3 high slots with bonuses so they act like 9 mining slots, 5000 m3 cargo bay and 1500 m3 drone bay. Skills, no idea. Once they come out into playtesting they will probably be tweaked around and we can all put our 2 isk into that discussion. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.27 18:33:00 - [4] They haven't been playtested yet but the figures that were heard on the grapevine were 3 high slots with bonuses so they act like 9 mining slots, 5000 m3 cargo bay and 1500 m3 drone bay. Skills, no idea. Once they come out into playtesting they will probably be tweaked around and we can all put our 2 isk into that discussion. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Sc0rpion	Posted - 2004.10.27 18:47:00 - [5] At a MINIMUM, I would expect: Industry 4 Mining 5 Spaceship Command 5 [RACE] Frigate 5 "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
Sc0rpion	Posted - 2004.10.27 18:47:00 - [6] At a MINIMUM, I would expect: Industry 4 Mining 5 Spaceship Command 5 [RACE] Frigate 5 "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
Malena	Posted - 2004.10.27 19:23:00 - [7] Personally I would expect spaceship command 5, (race) industrial 4, mining 5 and of course a special ship skill, in addition to a new mining skill, as I would think it likely that mining barges and a new mining laser appear at the same time. My impression from dev forums was that they were going to be armor and shield nerfed battleship sized platforms, so perhaps BS skill at decent level (although anyone who has the BS skill likely has it at 4) that have mining bonus instead of other bonusses. I would say probably something like the probe bonus (-60% grid usage) and the scythe bonus (+20% yield per level) but that is pure speculation.
Malena	Posted - 2004.10.27 19:23:00 - [8] Personally I would expect spaceship command 5, (race) industrial 4, mining 5 and of course a special ship skill, in addition to a new mining skill, as I would think it likely that mining barges and a new mining laser appear at the same time. My impression from dev forums was that they were going to be armor and shield nerfed battleship sized platforms, so perhaps BS skill at decent level (although anyone who has the BS skill likely has it at 4) that have mining bonus instead of other bonusses. I would say probably something like the probe bonus (-60% grid usage) and the scythe bonus (+20% yield per level) but that is pure speculation.
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2004.10.27 19:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Sc0rpion At a MINIMUM, I would expect: [RACE] Frigate 5 they come in small/medium/large that we are sure of (possibly extra large, but not sure, since Oveur said 12 new ships, we know theres 4 destroyers, 4 battlecruisers and 3 barges .. so I'd expect a fourth barge myself .. unless theyre still hiding something) As such they are race neutral .. so I'd be very surprised if they used any specific races ship skills (though I guess they could use every races ship skills heh) . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2004.10.27 19:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Sc0rpion At a MINIMUM, I would expect: [RACE] Frigate 5 they come in small/medium/large that we are sure of (possibly extra large, but not sure, since Oveur said 12 new ships, we know theres 4 destroyers, 4 battlecruisers and 3 barges .. so I'd expect a fourth barge myself .. unless theyre still hiding something) As such they are race neutral .. so I'd be very surprised if they used any specific races ship skills (though I guess they could use every races ship skills heh) . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Issle	Posted - 2004.10.27 20:31:00 - [11] It may work just like Interceptor & Assault Ship. It's not a racial based skill at all, though will have similar pre-req's to the others before you can learn it. I'd expect industry/mining, possibly astrogeology, because of the nature of it all. A ship like that with a few cargo expanders, you could make an iceminer, even if you would up with jetcans everywhere.
Issle	Posted - 2004.10.27 20:31:00 - [12] It may work just like Interceptor & Assault Ship. It's not a racial based skill at all, though will have similar pre-req's to the others before you can learn it. I'd expect industry/mining, possibly astrogeology, because of the nature of it all. A ship like that with a few cargo expanders, you could make an iceminer, even if you would up with jetcans everywhere.
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.10.28 14:16:00 - [13] I dream of owning a mining barge. :)
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.10.28 14:16:00 - [14] I dream of owning a mining barge. :)
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.10.28 14:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Drusilla I dream of owning a mining barge. :) Me too, except that in my dreams it's the only ship I own. Oh, and it's more of a nightmare really
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2004.10.28 14:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Drusilla I dream of owning a mining barge. :) Me too, except that in my dreams it's the only ship I own. Oh, and it's more of a nightmare really
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.10.28 14:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Toran Mehtar Originally by: Drusilla I dream of owning a mining barge. :) Me too, except that in my dreams it's the only ship I own. Oh, and it's more of a nightmare really Lmao, yeah sounds like something to wake up from sweating bad. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.10.28 14:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Toran Mehtar Originally by: Drusilla I dream of owning a mining barge. :) Me too, except that in my dreams it's the only ship I own. Oh, and it's more of a nightmare really Lmao, yeah sounds like something to wake up from sweating bad. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.28 15:11:00 - [19] New from the grapevine Requirements would probably not be Industrial anything but astrogeology (since it's a mining ship and not a hauler). 3 sizes, requiring Mining Barge lvl 1, 3 and 5. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.28 15:11:00 - [20] New from the grapevine Requirements would probably not be Industrial anything but astrogeology (since it's a mining ship and not a hauler). 3 sizes, requiring Mining Barge lvl 1, 3 and 5. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Minyon	Posted - 2004.10.28 15:36:00 - [21] Mining Barges are really just a missing ship class and are only tech1 ships (i think). So i would like the repuirements to be something like the Industrial ships skill so frigate lvl4 and star ship comand lvl3 then a new skill for the ships which would be needed to get to lvl4 or 5 to get the large one that out mines the apoc. After all thay are only adding these as it is a bit silly that any one who is in to mining needs to get a battleship to be good at it, its just not very role playe
Minyon	Posted - 2004.10.28 15:36:00 - [22] Mining Barges are really just a missing ship class and are only tech1 ships (i think). So i would like the repuirements to be something like the Industrial ships skill so frigate lvl4 and star ship comand lvl3 then a new skill for the ships which would be needed to get to lvl4 or 5 to get the large one that out mines the apoc. After all thay are only adding these as it is a bit silly that any one who is in to mining needs to get a battleship to be good at it, its just not very role playe
Crzycnck2	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Minyon Mining Barges are really just a missing ship class and are only tech1 ships (i think). So i would like the repuirements to be something like the Industrial ships skill so frigate lvl4 and star ship comand lvl3 then a new skill for the ships which would be needed to get to lvl4 or 5 to get the large one that out mines the apoc. After all thay are only adding these as it is a bit silly that any one who is in to mining needs to get a battleship to be good at it, its just not very role playe I have to agree, this is a ship that should have been part of the game at the beginning seeing as though mining is such a big part of this game. Granted there should be a seperate skill for it as it is an all together different ship than anything out there. But again should only be tech 1 so should be same level as the indy skill. FIX FTW
Crzycnck2	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Minyon Mining Barges are really just a missing ship class and are only tech1 ships (i think). So i would like the repuirements to be something like the Industrial ships skill so frigate lvl4 and star ship comand lvl3 then a new skill for the ships which would be needed to get to lvl4 or 5 to get the large one that out mines the apoc. After all thay are only adding these as it is a bit silly that any one who is in to mining needs to get a battleship to be good at it, its just not very role playe I have to agree, this is a ship that should have been part of the game at the beginning seeing as though mining is such a big part of this game. Granted there should be a seperate skill for it as it is an all together different ship than anything out there. But again should only be tech 1 so should be same level as the indy skill. FIX FTW
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.10.28 20:28:00 - [25] Since they were NOT included at the beginning, I am of the impression that even the smallest of them will have to be able to outmine an Apoc to be of any use. As they are likely to be costly, and as most high end miners already have BS to mine in, to get folks to give up their nice, durable battleships as mining platforms the take they generate will have to exceed what a battleship can draw in. If the level 1 mining barge won't outmine a thorax, for example, who'd use it?
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.10.28 20:28:00 - [26] Since they were NOT included at the beginning, I am of the impression that even the smallest of them will have to be able to outmine an Apoc to be of any use. As they are likely to be costly, and as most high end miners already have BS to mine in, to get folks to give up their nice, durable battleships as mining platforms the take they generate will have to exceed what a battleship can draw in. If the level 1 mining barge won't outmine a thorax, for example, who'd use it?
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.10.28 20:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Sc0rpion At a MINIMUM, I would expect: Industry 4 Mining 5 Spaceship Command 5 [RACE] Frigate 5 Not only are Mining Barges tech level 1 (and thus have the normal low skill reqs associated with tech 1), they are also race neutral. Why is it everyone wants everything new that comes out to require uber skillz? What about the new players? Destroyers, Battlecruisers, and Mining Barges are tech 1 ship classes that are being released to cover some ship classes that weren't available earlier.
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.10.28 20:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Sc0rpion At a MINIMUM, I would expect: Industry 4 Mining 5 Spaceship Command 5 [RACE] Frigate 5 Not only are Mining Barges tech level 1 (and thus have the normal low skill reqs associated with tech 1), they are also race neutral. Why is it everyone wants everything new that comes out to require uber skillz? What about the new players? Destroyers, Battlecruisers, and Mining Barges are tech 1 ship classes that are being released to cover some ship classes that weren't available earlier.
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.10.28 20:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Drusilla If the level 1 mining barge won't outmine a thorax, for example, who'd use it? People who can't afford (or don't have the skills) for a Thorax. They do exist, you know.
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.10.28 20:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Drusilla If the level 1 mining barge won't outmine a thorax, for example, who'd use it? People who can't afford (or don't have the skills) for a Thorax. They do exist, you know.
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.28 21:56:00 - [31] I suspect the lvl 1 Mining Barge will outmine a frigate, the lvl 3 outmine everything but thorax and the lvl 5 will outmine an Apoc. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.28 21:56:00 - [32] I suspect the lvl 1 Mining Barge will outmine a frigate, the lvl 3 outmine everything but thorax and the lvl 5 will outmine an Apoc. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Idara	Posted - 2004.10.28 23:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Darkwolf Originally by: Sc0rpion At a MINIMUM, I would expect: Industry 4 Mining 5 Spaceship Command 5 [RACE] Frigate 5 Not only are Mining Barges tech level 1 (and thus have the normal low skill reqs associated with tech 1), they are also race neutral. Why is it everyone wants everything new that comes out to require uber skillz? What about the new players? Destroyers, Battlecruisers, and Mining Barges are tech 1 ship classes that are being released to cover some ship classes that weren't available earlier. As Darkworlf said, these are TEch 1 ships, which means they won't be hard for noobs who want to only mine to get and improve upon, without training ridiculous Level 5 skills... Idara Section Leader - Security & Warfare Member of Metatron Incorporated
Idara	Posted - 2004.10.28 23:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Darkwolf Originally by: Sc0rpion At a MINIMUM, I would expect: Industry 4 Mining 5 Spaceship Command 5 [RACE] Frigate 5 Not only are Mining Barges tech level 1 (and thus have the normal low skill reqs associated with tech 1), they are also race neutral. Why is it everyone wants everything new that comes out to require uber skillz? What about the new players? Destroyers, Battlecruisers, and Mining Barges are tech 1 ship classes that are being released to cover some ship classes that weren't available earlier. As Darkworlf said, these are TEch 1 ships, which means they won't be hard for noobs who want to only mine to get and improve upon, without training ridiculous Level 5 skills... Idara Section Leader - Security & Warfare Member of Metatron Incorporated
Krulla	Posted - 2004.10.28 23:26:00 - [35] Edited by: Krulla on 28/10/2004 23:29:07 Originally by: Drusilla Since they were NOT included at the beginning, I am of the impression that even the smallest of them will have to be able to outmine an Apoc to be of any use. As they are likely to be costly, and as most high end miners already have BS to mine in, to get folks to give up their nice, durable battleships as mining platforms the take they generate will have to exceed what a battleship can draw in. If the level 1 mining barge won't outmine a thorax, for example, who'd use it? Wrong.. who would use it? New miners just starting out of course. As they are tech 1, I'd except the prices and skill reqs to be similar to frigates, cruisers, and battleships, for small, medium and large, respectively.
Krulla	Posted - 2004.10.28 23:26:00 - [36] Edited by: Krulla on 28/10/2004 23:29:07 Originally by: Drusilla Since they were NOT included at the beginning, I am of the impression that even the smallest of them will have to be able to outmine an Apoc to be of any use. As they are likely to be costly, and as most high end miners already have BS to mine in, to get folks to give up their nice, durable battleships as mining platforms the take they generate will have to exceed what a battleship can draw in. If the level 1 mining barge won't outmine a thorax, for example, who'd use it? Wrong.. who would use it? New miners just starting out of course. As they are tech 1, I'd except the prices and skill reqs to be similar to frigates, cruisers, and battleships, for small, medium and large, respectively.
Xtreem	Posted - 2004.10.28 23:28:00 - [37] i disagree.. i think there will be three levels... lvl 1 barge - can outmine a cruiser, less than bs lvl 2 - can mine apox as much as a bs lvl 3 - can mine more than any bs the lvl 1 will cost aprox 5 mil will low skill pre req's the lvl 2 will be aprox 50 mil - and have mid range skill pre req, for more intermidiate players the lvl 3 will have high pre reqs, for hardcore miners, cost between 75-150mil thats my take on the situation, but im looking forward to finding out :)
Xtreem	Posted - 2004.10.28 23:28:00 - [38] i disagree.. i think there will be three levels... lvl 1 barge - can outmine a cruiser, less than bs lvl 2 - can mine apox as much as a bs lvl 3 - can mine more than any bs the lvl 1 will cost aprox 5 mil will low skill pre req's the lvl 2 will be aprox 50 mil - and have mid range skill pre req, for more intermidiate players the lvl 3 will have high pre reqs, for hardcore miners, cost between 75-150mil thats my take on the situation, but im looking forward to finding out :)
Fighterpilotjp	Posted - 2004.10.29 01:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Drusilla Since they were NOT included at the beginning, I am of the impression that even the smallest of them will have to be able to outmine an Apoc to be of any use. As they are likely to be costly, and as most high end miners already have BS to mine in, to get folks to give up their nice, durable battleships as mining platforms the take they generate will have to exceed what a battleship can draw in. If the level 1 mining barge won't outmine a thorax, for example, who'd use it? This is definitely a good point. I would rather see them as a little more expensive than industrial ships, but having very little in the lines of defense. combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage.
Fighterpilotjp	Posted - 2004.10.29 01:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Drusilla Since they were NOT included at the beginning, I am of the impression that even the smallest of them will have to be able to outmine an Apoc to be of any use. As they are likely to be costly, and as most high end miners already have BS to mine in, to get folks to give up their nice, durable battleships as mining platforms the take they generate will have to exceed what a battleship can draw in. If the level 1 mining barge won't outmine a thorax, for example, who'd use it? This is definitely a good point. I would rather see them as a little more expensive than industrial ships, but having very little in the lines of defense. combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage.
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.29 13:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Xtreem i disagree.. i think there will be three levels... lvl 1 barge - can outmine a cruiser, less than bs lvl 2 - can mine apox as much as a bs lvl 3 - can mine more than any bs the lvl 1 will cost aprox 5 mil will low skill pre req's the lvl 2 will be aprox 50 mil - and have mid range skill pre req, for more intermidiate players the lvl 3 will have high pre reqs, for hardcore miners, cost between 75-150mil thats my take on the situation, but im looking forward to finding out :) I disagree Level I (skill lvl 1) is for new pilots, they can mine for a few days in their frigate (level 2 hopefully) and then they can get a mining ship for the cost of an industrial or so. Level II (skill lvl 3) is for more advanced miners, they will outmine cruisers. Level III (skill lvl 5) is for the hardcore miners, they will outmine any ship. These ships do not have turrets but have mining hardpoints. Their cycle is not 1 minute but 3 minutes. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.29 13:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Xtreem i disagree.. i think there will be three levels... lvl 1 barge - can outmine a cruiser, less than bs lvl 2 - can mine apox as much as a bs lvl 3 - can mine more than any bs the lvl 1 will cost aprox 5 mil will low skill pre req's the lvl 2 will be aprox 50 mil - and have mid range skill pre req, for more intermidiate players the lvl 3 will have high pre reqs, for hardcore miners, cost between 75-150mil thats my take on the situation, but im looking forward to finding out :) I disagree Level I (skill lvl 1) is for new pilots, they can mine for a few days in their frigate (level 2 hopefully) and then they can get a mining ship for the cost of an industrial or so. Level II (skill lvl 3) is for more advanced miners, they will outmine cruisers. Level III (skill lvl 5) is for the hardcore miners, they will outmine any ship. These ships do not have turrets but have mining hardpoints. Their cycle is not 1 minute but 3 minutes. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.10.29 13:58:00 - [43] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 29/10/2004 14:02:07 You lot seem to be forgetting the fact that these ships are going to be completely useless in defending themselves. So those little size 1 = cruiser size 2 = bs size 3 = teh pwn, speculations you have better be off otherwise why should anyone care about size 1 and 2 when you can buy a cruiser or bs and do your mining (with the benefit that you CAN actually defend on your own) and other activities as well. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.10.29 13:58:00 - [44] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 29/10/2004 14:02:07 You lot seem to be forgetting the fact that these ships are going to be completely useless in defending themselves. So those little size 1 = cruiser size 2 = bs size 3 = teh pwn, speculations you have better be off otherwise why should anyone care about size 1 and 2 when you can buy a cruiser or bs and do your mining (with the benefit that you CAN actually defend on your own) and other activities as well. Pain is meant to be felt
Zeiro	Posted - 2004.10.29 14:55:00 - [45] Yes, these ships are goin to be very interesting..I just wish a dev would give more information on these ships.. And as some are saying y new ships have to have lvl5 skills, but o well..only time will tell, as some1 said above as there are goin to be 12 ships coming out and the've only introduced 11 so far..but if the prices are goin to be 100+mil for a lvl5 mining barge then hopefully it will be a hole lot better than an apoc(as they say its goin to be).Keep this thread bumping till some devs answer it
Zeiro	Posted - 2004.10.29 14:55:00 - [46] Yes, these ships are goin to be very interesting..I just wish a dev would give more information on these ships.. And as some are saying y new ships have to have lvl5 skills, but o well..only time will tell, as some1 said above as there are goin to be 12 ships coming out and the've only introduced 11 so far..but if the prices are goin to be 100+mil for a lvl5 mining barge then hopefully it will be a hole lot better than an apoc(as they say its goin to be).Keep this thread bumping till some devs answer it
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.10.29 15:31:00 - [47] If they cost as much as some people here seem to think, I'll be very disappointed. From Shiva/EXODUS features page: Quote: New specialized mining barges, better than even the mighty Apocalypse at mining have been developed by the ORE syndicate, but are much cheaper.
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.10.29 15:31:00 - [48] If they cost as much as some people here seem to think, I'll be very disappointed. From Shiva/EXODUS features page: Quote: New specialized mining barges, better than even the mighty Apocalypse at mining have been developed by the ORE syndicate, but are much cheaper.
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.29 15:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Juan Andalusian You lot seem to be forgetting the fact that these ships are going to be completely useless in defending themselves. They will have large drone bays for defence. Granted they can't solo mine in low security zones... but that's what teamwork is for. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.10.29 15:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Juan Andalusian You lot seem to be forgetting the fact that these ships are going to be completely useless in defending themselves. They will have large drone bays for defence. Granted they can't solo mine in low security zones... but that's what teamwork is for. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Griskin Thor	Posted - 2004.10.29 17:39:00 - [51] Anything we know now is based on flawed data: whatever placeholders were in the DB before they fixed the market to show only active items. That said, there's nothing stopping us speculating wildly on that information. :) Before they fixed the market on Shiva, we got a glimpse of at least the initial rough stats on the ships. The last iteration seen had Small, Medium and Large ORE barges. Power and CPU ratings seemed to be placeholders, as it was the same ~25/125 for all ships. There was no cargo capacity listed either. Some of their stats did look reasonable, though. Small barges had 1 high slot, Mediums 2, and Larges 3. No turrets/launchers listed, but this could have just been left out like cargo space, since there's been no indication that the new mining lasers won't use turret slots. IIRC they all had similar low/med slot layouts, I think 1 med and 2 low. Speeds were slow, around 70-80m/s base. Structure was about the same across them all, but armor seemed to be decent, with the large having around 800 IIRC. They also had decent drone bay compared to ships of the same size class, up to 1000 or 1500m3 for the Large, IIRC. Now, we've been told by BHs that the Strip Miner I stats seen briefly on Shiva are inaccurate, but the last iteration seen did state that it was designed to be used on barges. With the 360m3/min stats seen, and assuming Mining and Astrogeology grant their bonuses to these, each SM I is worth 6 Miner IIs, which does seem a bit outrageous. IIRC they had a 1 minute activation time, but I've seen people quote 3 minutes. This would make some sense, and would bring them down to being as effective as 2 Miner IIs. At that point, though, they aren't quite as good as they're *****ed up to be, since neither the Medium nor the Large can outmine their competition (the Thorax and Apoc respectively). I imagine this is still being tweaked, though. The mystery cargo space could be a big deal as well. If they have industrial sized cargo holds, able to hold a significant amount of their own mining output, it could eliminate the need to bring along a seperate hauler for mining runs, and that increase in effeciency could make up for a lot. Again, all wild speculation based on fragmentary data from the DB. Griskin Thor Chief Operations Officer >Lightwave Enterprises< - "Oh yeah? Well, back in my day we had to mine omber with our teeth! And walk back to the station to sell it. Up the gravity well. Both ways!"
Griskin Thor	Posted - 2004.10.29 17:39:00 - [52] Anything we know now is based on flawed data: whatever placeholders were in the DB before they fixed the market to show only active items. That said, there's nothing stopping us speculating wildly on that information. :) Before they fixed the market on Shiva, we got a glimpse of at least the initial rough stats on the ships. The last iteration seen had Small, Medium and Large ORE barges. Power and CPU ratings seemed to be placeholders, as it was the same ~25/125 for all ships. There was no cargo capacity listed either. Some of their stats did look reasonable, though. Small barges had 1 high slot, Mediums 2, and Larges 3. No turrets/launchers listed, but this could have just been left out like cargo space, since there's been no indication that the new mining lasers won't use turret slots. IIRC they all had similar low/med slot layouts, I think 1 med and 2 low. Speeds were slow, around 70-80m/s base. Structure was about the same across them all, but armor seemed to be decent, with the large having around 800 IIRC. They also had decent drone bay compared to ships of the same size class, up to 1000 or 1500m3 for the Large, IIRC. Now, we've been told by BHs that the Strip Miner I stats seen briefly on Shiva are inaccurate, but the last iteration seen did state that it was designed to be used on barges. With the 360m3/min stats seen, and assuming Mining and Astrogeology grant their bonuses to these, each SM I is worth 6 Miner IIs, which does seem a bit outrageous. IIRC they had a 1 minute activation time, but I've seen people quote 3 minutes. This would make some sense, and would bring them down to being as effective as 2 Miner IIs. At that point, though, they aren't quite as good as they're *****ed up to be, since neither the Medium nor the Large can outmine their competition (the Thorax and Apoc respectively). I imagine this is still being tweaked, though. The mystery cargo space could be a big deal as well. If they have industrial sized cargo holds, able to hold a significant amount of their own mining output, it could eliminate the need to bring along a seperate hauler for mining runs, and that increase in effeciency could make up for a lot. Again, all wild speculation based on fragmentary data from the DB. Griskin Thor Chief Operations Officer >Lightwave Enterprises< - "Oh yeah? Well, back in my day we had to mine omber with our teeth! And walk back to the station to sell it. Up the gravity well. Both ways!"
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.10.29 17:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Valentine Keen If they cost as much as some people here seem to think, I'll be very disappointed. From Shiva/EXODUS features page: Quote: New specialized mining barges, better than even the mighty Apocalypse at mining have been developed by the ORE syndicate, but are much cheaper. They're going to be distributed by NPC market and most likely in sufficient numbers to prevent anyone buying up the ewntire market like skillbooks are. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.10.29 17:58:00 - [54] Originally by: Valentine Keen If they cost as much as some people here seem to think, I'll be very disappointed. From Shiva/EXODUS features page: Quote: New specialized mining barges, better than even the mighty Apocalypse at mining have been developed by the ORE syndicate, but are much cheaper. They're going to be distributed by NPC market and most likely in sufficient numbers to prevent anyone buying up the ewntire market like skillbooks are. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.10.29 18:57:00 - [55] I wish some DEV would come along and give us a little more information here to clarify.
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.10.29 18:57:00 - [56] I wish some DEV would come along and give us a little more information here to clarify.
Paxdrago	Posted - 2004.10.29 22:51:00 - [57] Go look on the shiva test server and you will find they are back again. They arn't in the market yet but their info is. GO check it out. If you don't have acces sign up for it.
Paxdrago	Posted - 2004.10.29 22:51:00 - [58] Go look on the shiva test server and you will find they are back again. They arn't in the market yet but their info is. GO check it out. If you don't have acces sign up for it.
Fortior	Posted - 2004.10.30 12:29:00 - [59] From General Discussions, thread by Teela Belwynn. Edited by: Teela Belwynn on 30/10/2004 10:14:27 Continuing my tradition, for those who want them. (~445k jpg) Combined Statscreen of the Mining Barges :D (skill reqs. are as always, not the final ones) Interesting peek I'd say :)
Fortior	Posted - 2004.10.30 12:29:00 - [60] From General Discussions, thread by Teela Belwynn. Edited by: Teela Belwynn on 30/10/2004 10:14:27 Continuing my tradition, for those who want them. (~445k jpg) Combined Statscreen of the Mining Barges :D (skill reqs. are as always, not the final ones) Interesting peek I'd say :)
Griskin Thor	Posted - 2004.10.30 14:48:00 - [61] The Ore L now has listed 4000m3 cargo space. Assuming you could get your hands on some Cargo Expander IIs, that'd give you 6656.4m3 of space. Assuming the stats on the Strip Miner Is are accurate and mining skill bonuses apply, a 5/5 miner will pull in 562.5m3/min/miner, or 1687.5m3/min in an L with 3. So this bad boy can hold just under 4 minutes worth of mining, and can fill up a jet can in a bit over 15 minutes. Wow. Griskin Thor Chief Operations Officer >Lightwave Enterprises< - "Oh yeah? Well, back in my day we had to mine omber with our teeth! And walk back to the station to sell it. Up the gravity well. Both ways!"
Griskin Thor	Posted - 2004.10.30 14:48:00 - [62] The Ore L now has listed 4000m3 cargo space. Assuming you could get your hands on some Cargo Expander IIs, that'd give you 6656.4m3 of space. Assuming the stats on the Strip Miner Is are accurate and mining skill bonuses apply, a 5/5 miner will pull in 562.5m3/min/miner, or 1687.5m3/min in an L with 3. So this bad boy can hold just under 4 minutes worth of mining, and can fill up a jet can in a bit over 15 minutes. Wow. Griskin Thor Chief Operations Officer >Lightwave Enterprises< - "Oh yeah? Well, back in my day we had to mine omber with our teeth! And walk back to the station to sell it. Up the gravity well. Both ways!"
Black 1	Posted - 2004.10.30 19:53:00 - [63] Edited by: Black 1 on 30/10/2004 19:56:07 Originally by: Griskin Thor The Ore L now has listed 4000m3 cargo space. Assuming you could get your hands on some Cargo Expander IIs, that'd give you 6656.4m3 of space. Assuming the stats on the Strip Miner Is are accurate and mining skill bonuses apply, a 5/5 miner will pull in 562.5m3/min/miner, or 1687.5m3/min in an L with 3. So this bad boy can hold just under 4 minutes worth of mining, and can fill up a jet can in a bit over 15 minutes. Wow. Nice Can't wait now Edit: Spelling -----------
Black 1	Posted - 2004.10.30 19:53:00 - [64] Edited by: Black 1 on 30/10/2004 19:56:07 Originally by: Griskin Thor The Ore L now has listed 4000m3 cargo space. Assuming you could get your hands on some Cargo Expander IIs, that'd give you 6656.4m3 of space. Assuming the stats on the Strip Miner Is are accurate and mining skill bonuses apply, a 5/5 miner will pull in 562.5m3/min/miner, or 1687.5m3/min in an L with 3. So this bad boy can hold just under 4 minutes worth of mining, and can fill up a jet can in a bit over 15 minutes. Wow. Nice Can't wait now Edit: Spelling -----------
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.11.01 21:07:00 - [65] Edited by: Drusilla on 01/11/2004 21:10:49 That's IT? In an Apoc with 8x Miner 2 and 10 harvies I can bring in 1,110 M3/minute and fill a jet can in about 24 minutes. I agree that 15 is faster, but I'm not sure it's fast enough to get people to trade in their batleships for barges considering how much more durable the battleship is and how much use you can get from it by reconfiguring for combat. I expected at least double what an Apoc can do with harvies.
Drusilla	Posted - 2004.11.01 21:07:00 - [66] Edited by: Drusilla on 01/11/2004 21:10:49 That's IT? In an Apoc with 8x Miner 2 and 10 harvies I can bring in 1,110 M3/minute and fill a jet can in about 24 minutes. I agree that 15 is faster, but I'm not sure it's fast enough to get people to trade in their batleships for barges considering how much more durable the battleship is and how much use you can get from it by reconfiguring for combat. I expected at least double what an Apoc can do with harvies.
Ethan Tomlinson	Posted - 2004.11.01 22:52:00 - [67] ahem i believe the name of it was strip miner sure people might be reluctant to give up there battleship in 0.0 but for empire who wont want to use these things. They will pzwnzr belts. Get a group of em going and they could wipe a belt in 30 minutes 0.o Now if only someone new the skills
Ethan Tomlinson	Posted - 2004.11.01 22:52:00 - [68] ahem i believe the name of it was strip miner sure people might be reluctant to give up there battleship in 0.0 but for empire who wont want to use these things. They will pzwnzr belts. Get a group of em going and they could wipe a belt in 30 minutes 0.o Now if only someone new the skills
Gierling	Posted - 2004.11.02 00:15:00 - [69] I'm pretty sure the Nerf Bat has been discussed. Imagine Mining only hardpoints, the only ships with them would likely be the mining frigs and cruisers (Imicus, Exquerer etc). Just a little tweek and bam no problemo, heck they wouldnt have to make new miner types or fiddle with bonuses they could just have it that mining Frigates have one mining hi slot, mining cruisers have 2, theyd be outpaced by the mining ships in terms of cargo and drone capacity... The large Ore Barge would have 3 mining slots on it, and that would be it... three miner II's and drones being as good as it gets in EVE. Bastards we are lest Bastards we become.
Gierling	Posted - 2004.11.02 00:15:00 - [70] I'm pretty sure the Nerf Bat has been discussed. Imagine Mining only hardpoints, the only ships with them would likely be the mining frigs and cruisers (Imicus, Exquerer etc). Just a little tweek and bam no problemo, heck they wouldnt have to make new miner types or fiddle with bonuses they could just have it that mining Frigates have one mining hi slot, mining cruisers have 2, theyd be outpaced by the mining ships in terms of cargo and drone capacity... The large Ore Barge would have 3 mining slots on it, and that would be it... three miner II's and drones being as good as it gets in EVE. Bastards we are lest Bastards we become.
Griskin Thor	Posted - 2004.11.02 00:49:00 - [71] The big question isn't skills, I think.. I mean, nearly everyone drooling over these things has Mining 5 Astro 5 at least, right? Patience for skill training we've got. The big question is how much it will cost. If you can fully kit out a Large for 1/10th the cost of a stripped-down Apoc, who wouldn't use them, even in low sec space. If, on the other hand, they're priced more like a low end BB, then low sec miners probably will stick to their Apocs. Still, it gives the young uns still working towards their first BB something to help things along. Note that both the Apoc and the ORE L have room enough for 10 harvies, so comparing your yield with harvies vs. the ORE L without isn't terribly realistic. I can really see these seeing use in big corporate mining jobs out in 0.0 space. Imagine setting up a POS with refineries and heavy defenses, with your full corp fleet evenly divided between ORE barges and BBs/BCs, eating through every belt. Who cares if the refineries suck compared to station facilities.. you can clean out the entire system in the time it would take you to haul 1 load back to a station, then send half the fleet to escort the ore haulers back to Empire to sell their wares while the rest escort the indies disassembling the POS and moving it to the next station. A well organized corp could set up asteroid crop rotation, cycling through the systems in a constellation as they clean them out and they respawn. The mind boggles. Griskin Thor Chief Operations Officer >Lightwave Enterprises< - "Oh yeah? Well, back in my day we had to mine omber with our teeth! And walk back to the station to sell it. Up the gravity well. Both ways!"
Griskin Thor	Posted - 2004.11.02 00:49:00 - [72] The big question isn't skills, I think.. I mean, nearly everyone drooling over these things has Mining 5 Astro 5 at least, right? Patience for skill training we've got. The big question is how much it will cost. If you can fully kit out a Large for 1/10th the cost of a stripped-down Apoc, who wouldn't use them, even in low sec space. If, on the other hand, they're priced more like a low end BB, then low sec miners probably will stick to their Apocs. Still, it gives the young uns still working towards their first BB something to help things along. Note that both the Apoc and the ORE L have room enough for 10 harvies, so comparing your yield with harvies vs. the ORE L without isn't terribly realistic. I can really see these seeing use in big corporate mining jobs out in 0.0 space. Imagine setting up a POS with refineries and heavy defenses, with your full corp fleet evenly divided between ORE barges and BBs/BCs, eating through every belt. Who cares if the refineries suck compared to station facilities.. you can clean out the entire system in the time it would take you to haul 1 load back to a station, then send half the fleet to escort the ore haulers back to Empire to sell their wares while the rest escort the indies disassembling the POS and moving it to the next station. A well organized corp could set up asteroid crop rotation, cycling through the systems in a constellation as they clean them out and they respawn. The mind boggles. Griskin Thor Chief Operations Officer >Lightwave Enterprises< - "Oh yeah? Well, back in my day we had to mine omber with our teeth! And walk back to the station to sell it. Up the gravity well. Both ways!"

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