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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.10 07:22:00 -
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Lost three industrial ships to suicide attacks this week.
One attack was completely pointless as I had no cargo. Looks like 0.5 is the new low-sec.
I cant do anything while they target me and scan my cargo. I can only act once they fire, and lets face it...in a slow Badger you may as well give up.
I'm thinking of giving up the courier trade. I'm losing more isk than I'm taking in.
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Plim
Gallente
Kobayashi Maru Experience
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Posted - 2009.10.10 07:26:00 -
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Why not use a transporter with a cloak?
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Rufus Black
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Posted - 2009.10.10 07:29:00 -
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medium shield extenders, hardeners, no AB
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.10 07:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Plim
Why not use a transporter with a cloak?
Training for Transporters now. Hopefully they will be better ships than Industrials.
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Plim
Gallente
Kobayashi Maru Experience
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Posted - 2009.10.10 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
Originally by: Plim
Why not use a transporter with a cloak?
Training for Transporters now. Hopefully they will be better ships than Industrials.
You'll likely have no problems with a transporter if you use it correctly.
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.10 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
Originally by: Plim
Why not use a transporter with a cloak?
Training for Transporters now. Hopefully they will be better ships than Industrials.
Once you get into a blockade runner you'll never want to get out of it. It was my favorite ship before they gave it the covops cloak, now it's a bit ridiculous tbh.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.10 07:49:00 -
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Man, I was just thinking it's been a while since we saw a suicide gank whine.
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destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
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Posted - 2009.10.10 07:50:00 -
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If you don't want to press all the time the cloak button, you should consider a depp space transport instead of a blockade runner.
Can easily have the HP of a battleship, which means no chance to take it down in highsec without scarifying 5+ BS...
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Lord Kazuhiro
1st Galactic Manufacturing
Confederate Empire Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.10 08:41:00 -
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As others have pointed out, a blockade runner will be your new best friend, Able to fit a covert op's cloak, can warp at "9AU a second" And hauls ass like no other ship it's size. The warp speed alone makes it worth it, it's nearly invulnerable in High-low sec. Unless you get real unlucky on a gate camp warp in.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.10 08:45:00 -
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Don't necessarily need the blockade runner, the transport works just as well as long as you use a cloak and MWD.
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Yazus Kor
Preta Light Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.10 08:58:00 -
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Protip: If you have anything of Value Tank your Hauler
"Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem." |
Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:03:00 -
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And stop AFK hauling. Warp to zero is your friend.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
One attack was completely pointless as I had no cargo. Looks like 0.5 is the new low-sec.
I would say that killing some forum whiner so much that he quits his "business" and gives us new posts in which to laugh at him is the opposite of pointless.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:30:00 -
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use the proper tools for the job ?
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Ella C'Tronix
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Kazuhiro
And hauls ass like no other ship it's size.
Who said he was hauling ass? He doesn't strike me as a space pimp.
On a more serious note, someone said you'll have no problems with a blockade runner or transport or whatever "if you use it properly" - can we get clarification on what that is exactly?
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ella C'Tronix
On a more serious note, someone said you'll have no problems with a blockade runner or transport or whatever "if you use it properly" - can we get clarification on what that is exactly?
Blockade runner - Fit some tank in mids, agility mods in lows, use a cloaking device and warp cloaked between gates. No one will be able to catch you in hisec and most likely lowsec too. 0.0 haz bubbles so job might be a bi harder.
Deep space transport - Fit a decent tank on it, has +2 warp strength so it'll take at least 3 points to stop you, more if you fit some warpcorestabs. Counter to this is a HIC, since they can use infinipoint in lowsec and stabs are useless against bubbles in 0.0
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:40:00 -
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I was thinking same last night. I transported 850m worth of stuff to Jita with no trouble. Warp to zero, along with a blockade runner rigged and modded for agility means you're pretty much invulnerable to all but the most sophisticated attacks. I haven't used a standard indy for ages.
btw didn't realise they could now use covert ops cloaks (been away from game for a looong time). This is pretty good news! But anyway, I'm not sure what you're doing wrong to get attacked that often, even with nothing in your hold. I don't believe anyone can be that unlucky, so I'm guessing this is personal ;).
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Infensus Dei
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:01:00 -
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OP: One question.
Were you AFK?
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 10/10/2009 10:19:29
Originally by: Rufus Black
medium shield extenders, hardeners, no AB
Useless advice as all advices how to "protect" as long as they get insurence for it!
Let's face it, CCP want Hauler and Miner to be "fun factor" for Pirates as there is nothink you can do, to counter this ganging ****.
PS: and don't tell me anythink about PvP - this is NO PvP as it would involve some interaction between the two partys which isn't given as long as you just have insta kills!
PvP just happens, if the fight allows BOTH side to activly do somethink!
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:26:00 -
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it's PvP. each time hauler brings cargo from A to B, he won.
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Xano Heroma
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:30:00 -
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sounds like AFK hauling to me
if soo that the problem m8 especialy if you also use a T1 hauler.
if you didn't afk hauled and manually used the "warp to 0km" button than you have been extremely unlucky soo unlucky that I doubt very much that you didn't afk haul.
if you afk haul you throw the dices 
(AFK haul means that you use the autopilot, which is genelly not a good idea in crowded systems, instead only use the "set destination" function and than manually use the "warp to 0km" of stargate)
also as others have sayd -> get a T2 hauler(transport ship) helps ALOT. |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 10/10/2009 10:39:37
Originally by: Jagga Spikes
it's PvP. each time hauler brings cargo from A to B, he won.
Not realy PvP but more lucky gambling.
And if you take the aligne time of Hauler and Mining ships it doesn't matter if you are AFK or not. 5 seconds is more then any half trained taggler need.
So stop this bull**** about "don't fly AFK" as they are ganged as soon as they come out of cloak after jump!
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get a T2 hauler(transport ship) helps ALOT
It does not help, the ganger just take another full insured BS and get the lough becouse the Hauler was stupid enough to invest so much ore USELESS money.
Insurence has to be disabled as soon as CONCORD is invloved!
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson
Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 10/10/2009 10:19:29
Originally by: Rufus Black
medium shield extenders, hardeners, no AB
Useless advice as all advices how to "protect" as long as they get insurence for it!
Let's face it, CCP want Hauler and Miner to be "fun factor" for Pirates as there is nothink you can do, to counter this ganging ****.
PS: and don't tell me anythink about PvP - this is NO PvP as it would involve some interaction between the two partys which isn't given as long as you just have insta kills!
PvP just happens, if the fight allows BOTH side to activly do somethink!
It IS PVP - Player vs Player. Just because one of the P's doesnt have a tank or weapons doesn't mean he's not a player. Bitter post is bitter.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson
Originally by: Rufus Black
medium shield extenders, hardeners, no AB
Useless advice as all advices how to "protect" as long as they get insurence for it!
Incorrect. It's excellent advice since adding protection to your ship… you know… protects it.
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this is NO PvP as it would involve some interaction between the two partys which isn't given as long as you just have insta kills!
True enough. This probably wasn't PvP as one of the parties was running on auto-pilot. So the attackers were actually PvE:ing and shouldn't have been concorded to begin with — you never are when you attack other computer-controlled ships, after all.
Petition to CCP: shooting ships with their AP on should count as PvE, pay out bounties and looting rights, and not summon CONCORD.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson
Originally by: Jagga Spikes
it's PvP. each time hauler brings cargo from A to B, he won.
Not realy PvP but more lucky gambling.
And if you take the aligne time of Hauler and Mining ships it doesn't matter if you are AFK or not. 5 seconds is more then any half trained taggler need.
So stop this bull**** about "don't fly AFK" as they are ganged as soon as they come out of cloak after jump!
Show me how the ganker can know where and when to expect the hauler to come out of cloak to apply his close range gank after jumping and you might have yourself an argument. Fitting something resembling a tank while hauling means the ganker has to get in range of the target, lock, point and kill him after jumping.
In short, if you don't know how it works, stfu.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:44:00 -
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Even a Large Shild Extender II does not give enough "protection" against a typical Megapulse + 4 HS (or more) gang Gaddon.
And as I said, with allinge times as Hauler/Bargs have you don't have to be afk but just jump through a gate. While you try to alligne you are pointed and ganged before you even know what happen EQUAL if you fly T1 unfitted or T2 with all defens mod Hauler!
So stop your **** about afk and defens - THERE IS NO WAY OF PROTECTION !!!!!
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 10/10/2009 10:53:26
Originally by: lollerwaffle
Show me how the ganker can know where and when to expect the hauler to come out of cloak to apply his close range gank after jumping and you might have yourself an argument. Fitting something resembling a tank while hauling means the ganker has to get in range of the target, lock, point and kill him after jumping.
In short, if you don't know how it works, stfu.
OP mentioned, that he even got ganged with no cargo => ganger didn't care about this fact becouse of stupid insurence!
Place sensor boosted (+ remot boosted) Gang BS in the middle of gate == cover full range of posible spawn range. Max is what? 50km? Absolut no range to worry about! Geddon with scroch has this range without any boost anyway. Else take Artis or Rails with short range amunition (but for T1 Laser are allways best. We all know why).
New mega gang ships will be Minmatar BS soon with freeking high alpha-Artis btw. With this they can cover 150 km without a problem. Go to Sisi if you can't belive it.
And there is absolut NO way to get enough "defens" on any T1 or T2 hauler, to survive 2 Minmatar Arti Gang BS with easily 8000 volly damage each!
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson
Even a Large Shild Extender II does not give enough "protection" against a typical Megapulse + 4 HS (or more) gang Gaddon.
And as I said, with allinge times as Hauler/Bargs have you don't have to be afk but just jump through a gate. While you try to alligne you are pointed and ganged before you even know what happen EQUAL if you fly T1 unfitted or T2 with all defens mod Hauler!
So stop your **** about afk and defens - THERE IS NO WAY OF PROTECTION !!!!!
Ever heard of warp core stabs? Ever heard of agility mods?
Let's put it this way, ideal situation for the ganker, he sits at 0 on a gate, waiting for targets to jump through, and the target does indeed jump through on the correct side of a gate, uncloaking 12km from the ganker. Say the hauler is a badger mk II, with 4 med shield extenders and 2 resist mods, giving almost 6k shields with 50% average resists (thermal is lowest). This means the ganker has to deal enough damage to overcome that buffer in the time before the hauler can warp off.
Actually, forget it. Your posts all over the forums just show how much of an idiot you are and how pointless it is to try to reason with you, since your whole objective seems to be trolling/flamebaiting. Good luck to you I guess. By the way, if you don't enjoy the game, as your posts seem to indicate, why not try a different one? 
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson
Even a Large Shild Extender II does not give enough "protection" against a typical Megapulse + 4 HS (or more) gang Gaddon.
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So stop your **** about afk and defens - THERE IS NO WAY OF PROTECTION !!!!!
Really… what is the volley on that thing? How often does it fire? What's its locking speed? What is the locking-speed and scanning speed and sorting/$$$-calculating/telling-the-gang-to-engage speed of the scanner ship?
Btw, an LSEII is a particularly bad choice of module for a T1 hauler. It doesn't give you enough protection for one simple reason: you can't on-line it. 
So again, until you understand what works and what doesn't, kindly pipe down.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.10.10 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle
Actually, forget it. Your posts all over the forums just show how much of an idiot you are and how pointless it is to try to reason with you, since your whole objective seems to be trolling/flamebaiting.
HAHAHA, yes please, this was all I was waiting for :D.
You know how dam easy ganging is and how low the risk is - I know it.
But becouse we both know it and you fear the trueth, you start to blame me. hahaha
Nothink else I expected ;)
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