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Capt Wolfe	Posted - 2009.10.14 18:35:00 - [1] If your in your prized asset and some gang fancys raping you of your hard earned faction fits in the hope some high value items are dropped or just to give you a bad day! It would be nice if the concord "police" provided some more useful assistance than just blowing up "rapists" insured ships (who generally have a buddy to scoop on standby). Currently victim loses big bucks "rapists" lose peanuts. Concord should deploy a logistics ship and help make a fight of it at least. Even if you do lose you will have had a good fight and possibly a killmail/bounty or two. Or am i barking up the wrong tree?
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.10.14 18:36:00 - [2] your a funny little girl. Maybe if theyre about to **** you, take some pepper spray
Hanso Sparxx Order of Shadows	Posted - 2009.10.14 18:39:00 - [3] Poasting in another "CCP I demand that you fix my stupid." thread. ------------------ Go Deep!
Vigo Larcen Dark Claw Raiders	Posted - 2009.10.14 18:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Capt Wolfe Or am i barking up the wrong tree? This. Also, lol pepperspray. Would that be a module or ammo?
creone Gallente Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.10.14 18:54:00 - [5] Or maybe Concord should just rage like the OP is and kill everyone insystem for the suicide gank itd solve all our problems..... If at first you dont succeed maybe you just SUCK!!!!!
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.10.14 19:00:00 - [6] Originally by: creone Or maybe Concord should just rage like the OP is and kill everyone insystem for the suicide gank itd solve all our problems..... I'd suicide someone in Jita just to watch the carnage.
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.10.14 19:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Vigo Larcen Originally by: Capt Wolfe Or am i barking up the wrong tree? This. Also, lol pepperspray. Would that be a module or ammo? A single use module. To activate it youd have to scream "get off me, get off me" into your mic, that woudl do the trick
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.10.14 19:09:00 - [8] Do you ask the police to please pay for your car to be repaired when they show up on scene to a car accident? Via insurance and/or smart driving you can prevent your vehicle from being damaged or destroyed. It isn't a job for the po-po's. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
creone Gallente Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.10.14 19:17:00 - [9] arent cops generally useless in RL why ask them to be any better in a damn game ...... If at first you dont succeed maybe you just SUCK!!!!!
Capt Wolfe	Posted - 2009.10.14 19:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Spectre3353 Do you ask the police to please pay for your car to be repaired when they show up on scene to a car accident? Via insurance and/or smart driving you can prevent your vehicle from being damaged or destroyed. It isn't a job for the po-po's. I do ask them to try save the victims of crime and not just shoot the purp's, They should protect and serve! Give the victim a 50/50 chance of a repper least it will be random not just a matter of the assailants doing the math with ships and dps. some you win some you lose!

Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.10.14 20:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Capt Wolfe Originally by: Spectre3353 Do you ask the police to please pay for your car to be repaired when they show up on scene to a car accident? Via insurance and/or smart driving you can prevent your vehicle from being damaged or destroyed. It isn't a job for the po-po's. I do ask them to try save the victims of crime and not just shoot the purp's, They should protect and serve! Give the victim a 50/50 chance of a repper least it will be random not just a matter of the assailants doing the math with ships and dps. some you win some you lose! So, what did you lose?
Capt Wolfe	Posted - 2009.10.14 20:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Lightningshade Originally by: Capt Wolfe Originally by: Spectre3353 Do you ask the police to please pay for your car to be repaired when they show up on scene to a car accident? Via insurance and/or smart driving you can prevent your vehicle from being damaged or destroyed. It isn't a job for the po-po's. I do ask them to try save the victims of crime and not just shoot the purp's, They should protect and serve! Give the victim a 50/50 chance of a repper least it will be random not just a matter of the assailants doing the math with ships and dps. some you win some you lose! So, what did you lose? Nothing just witnessed some 0.0 pirates **** a 2.2 bil CNR in high sec funny realy lots of wrecks to plunder, but even funnier if the CNR had have been repped by concord all that effort by the pirates for no avail. An occasional take some of that would be good!
Capt Wolfe	Posted - 2009.10.14 20:21:00 - [13] It would make nurpy's tactic in his jihad thread more interesting
Sinopdet	Posted - 2009.10.14 21:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Capt Wolfe Concord should deploy a logistics ship and help make a fight of it Add some random factor: CONCORD might deploy one logistic instead of one BS. You never know. Does that sound like fun?
Taedrin Gallente White Horizon	Posted - 2009.10.14 23:05:00 - [15] First of all, before we get started, allow me to point you to Unwritten Rule of EVE #1: Never undock in a ship that you can not afford to lose. This includes fittings and cargo. CONCORD already has: 1) Infinite strength neuts - As soon as CONCORD shows up, all global criminals lose 100% of their ships capacitor, preventing them from activating any modules that require cap 2) Infinite strength ECM - As soon as CONCORD shows up, all global criminals lose their target locks and can not reacquire their locks 3) Infinite point scram - As soon as CONCORD shows up, all global criminals are warp scrambled with "infinite points", meaning that no number of warp core stabs will save you. This also means that hypothetically even Titans and Moms will not be able to warp. This will also prevent you from jumping out via a cyno. 4) Infinite strength webifier - As soon as CONCORD shows up, all global criminals have their velocity reduced to 0% so they can not move. 5) All knowing GPS tracking - If you commit a heinous crime in high sec, CONCORD will ALWAYS find you. If you warp off before they arrive at the scene, they will follow you to where you warp out. 6) Cloak scramble - When you get CONCORD's attention, they will "scramble" your cloaking device so that you can not hide from them - even if you warp out before they show up and cloak at a safe spot 7) Deactivation of docking computer/navigation computer - When you get CONCORD's attention, they will lock you out of all stations and stargates so that you can not leave the system. 8) Weapons of Mass Destruction - CONCORD will fry a heavily tanked battleship in seconds. CCP has stated that surviving CONCORD by any means is an exploit. If you get CONCORD's attention, you will die. 9) Unlimited Reinforcements - Regardless of the blob that you bring, CONCORD will bring a bigger blob. In fact, they will bring a blob for each ship in your blob. As stated above, there is no way to survive CONCORD. Not even Goonswarm could do so. Well, actually, Goonswarm COULD hypothetically survive CONCORD by crashing the node through sheer numbers, but I doubt CCP would look kindly upon this. And now you want to add even more firepower to CONCORD's arsenal. To put it bluntly, remote rep assistance from CONCORD would be incredibly overpowered. CONCORD isn't meant to prevent you from dying - they are meant to punish criminals. Suicide ganks are an important part of EVE. They force freighters hauling several billion ISK worth of goods to bring a scout or hire protection. They prevent haulers from afk autopiloting with valuable cargo. They force players to take precautions against risk, and force players to make important choices. If CCP didn't want people to die to PvP in high sec, they would remove our ability to shoot each other in high sec entirely. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made.
AdmiralJohn Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2009.10.15 00:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Capt Wolfe Give the victim a 50/50 chance of a repper least it will be random not just a matter of the assailants doing the math with ships and dps. some you win some you lose! 50% chance you get repped, 50% chance CONCORD hits the wrong button and blows you to bits.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.10.15 00:35:00 - [17] How about you do what people are supposed to do in a MULTIPLAYER game? Bring friends with you that can do the repping, and if the repping fails can blow up the hauler that is scooping your loot. After all, the evil dudes that blow your precious ship up seem to grasp that concept, why cant you?
Taedrin Gallente White Horizon	Posted - 2009.10.15 01:00:00 - [18] Originally by: AdmiralJohn Originally by: Capt Wolfe Give the victim a 50/50 chance of a repper least it will be random not just a matter of the assailants doing the math with ships and dps. some you win some you lose! 50% chance you get repped, 50% chance CONCORD hits the wrong button and blows you to bits. Wouldn't this give CONCORD a GCC, and cause them to CONCORDUKKEN themselves into oblivion? I like the way you think! ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made.
Zeek Muaka Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.15 01:10:00 - [19] Posting in a C&P troll thread.
Dawts The Order of the EyE	Posted - 2009.10.15 01:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Taedrin CONCORDUKKEN I think you mean concordokken fake edit: It's been awhile since I've seen someone post the concordokken mspaint vid.

Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise	Posted - 2009.10.15 02:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Dawts Originally by: Taedrin CONCORDUKKEN I think you mean concordokken fake edit: It's been awhile since I've seen someone post the concordokken mspaint vid. I think Concordukken is when you stuff a chicken inside a turkey inside an unkillable super battleship.
Cronic Shillbilly	Posted - 2009.10.15 02:42:00 - [22] save it my friend....the trolls will eat u alive. Pirates play easy mode, but think themself the better. CCP will never make the game to hard for them cause they will give up. they hide behind sayings like go back to wow or tears more tears. but the truth is for the most part they suck. most highsec gankers are punks who could not cut it in 0-0. they gank in high sec while they are members of a NPC corp so they can't be war dec. and call miners mission runners carebears. while they hide behind the skirt of CCP .the whole thing is very funny. So I train my skills. up to 32 million now. I keep building up my SS with concord and when player Concord officers or bounty hunters come into game. I will be ready to start killing skilless pirate gankers here to kick every troll I see I spit on Kartoon, your leader, king of the meme monkeys and lord of the nap. Tesal
Heloise ChateauBriande	Posted - 2009.10.15 02:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Ekon Bor Originally by: Dawts Originally by: Taedrin CONCORDUKKEN I think you mean concordokken fake edit: It's been awhile since I've seen someone post the concordokken mspaint vid. I think Concordukken is when you stuff a chicken inside a turkey inside an unkillable super battleship. WIN!! I'm having one for Thanksgiving!
Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2009.10.15 03:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Cronic Shillbilly save it my friend....the trolls will eat u alive. Pirates play easy mode, but think themself the better. CCP will never make the game to hard for them cause they will give up. they hide behind sayings like go back to wow or tears more tears. but the truth is for the most part they suck. most highsec gankers are punks who could not cut it in 0-0. they gank in high sec while they are members of a NPC corp so they can't be war dec. and call miners mission runners carebears. while they hide behind the skirt of CCP .the whole thing is very funny. So I train my skills. up to 32 million now. I keep building up my SS with concord and when player Concord officers or bounty hunters come into game. I will be ready to start killing skilless pirate gankers Really? Unskilled pirates who can't hack it in 0.0? I make money doing various things - more than enough to support my pvp losses. But I see some guys with their jita gank losses . . . .and it pretty much blows away anything I could do here. It screams "FREE MONEY", and will continue to do so when you have untanked T1 haulers fitted with cargo expanders only flying around with billions of isk in their cargo. I'm even thinking of training and alt specifically for ganking. And why not? You kids won't protect yourselves, I might as well get a piece of that juicy goodness BTW your tears taste like candy.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.15 03:30:00 - [25] tbh you are probably dead before concord shows up
Requiescat	Posted - 2009.10.15 04:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Taedrin 1) Infinite strength neuts - As soon as CONCORD shows up, all global criminals lose 100% of their ships capacitor, preventing them from activating any modules that require cap it's not infinite it's just much more powerful than anything off the rack. i've tested this on sisi with hisec carriers, it's about 15k cap per tick -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
Damillio Caldari Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.10.15 06:15:00 - [27] Remote rep concord? Absolutely of no use whatsoever in the protection from suicide ganks. The whole point of suicide gank is to blow up the target ship BEFORE concord arrives. Last I checked,you have to be relatively close to the target ship to remote rep. Therefore, by the time concord shows up to rep you, you are either already dead, or the gankers are screwed anyway -DAM
Grunanca Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.10.15 06:31:00 - [28] Apart from being one of the worst ideas EVER, this would open up for the biggest exploits in the hisory in the game. Imagine this situation: You are at war and currently your precious battleship with full officer fit is being ****d while you try to deagress and redock. You now take an alt in a nub ship and open fire at said ship. CONCORD shows up and instantly reps your ship back up, meaning you got plenty of time to redock or kill your opponents (if they dont just do the same). It would end as npc-logistic-online with nub alts shooting right and left in wars.
N'tek alar Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.15 06:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Grunanca Apart from being one of the worst ideas EVER, this would open up for the biggest exploits in the hisory in the game. Imagine this situation: You are at war and currently your precious battleship with full officer fit is being ****d while you try to deagress and redock. You now take an alt in a nub ship and open fire at said ship. CONCORD shows up and instantly reps your ship back up, meaning you got plenty of time to redock or kill your opponents (if they dont just do the same). It would end as npc-logistic-online with nub alts shooting right and left in wars. Not to mention that it wouldn't help in the slightest when you're actually getting suicide ganked, As the gankers either finish you before CONCORD arrives or fail to kill you anyway. ------------------------- I'm not shirtless damnit!
Jake McCord Minmatar McCord Industries	Posted - 2009.10.15 07:16:00 - [30] Edited by: Jake McCord on 15/10/2009 07:17:37 Originally by: creone arent cops generally useless in RL why ask them to be any better in a damn game ...... Generally, yes they are. That's why I carry a gun in RL. ;) And just wondering, whatever happened to the CCP idea of denying insurance payments to those involved in suicide ganking or similar criminal attacks that get you concorded? I spit in the face of GoonFleet I would spit on your honor, but you have none. And May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.

Grunanca Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.10.15 07:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Jake McCord Originally by: creone arent cops generally useless in RL why ask them to be any better in a damn game ...... Generally, yes they are. That's why I carry a gun in RL. ;) Actually thats not entirely correct. If you use a 1600mm plate on a smartbomb battleship in jita along with cap boosters, you will get 3 rounds of smartbombs off before concord pops you. Even managed to pull 3 rounds off when they were already at the gate. But still, they are strong enough as they are as even a tanked t1 hauler can take 3 rounds of smartbombs. The real issue is stupidity, the stupidity of going afk with anything of value on your ship...
Neckbeard Griefmonger	Posted - 2009.10.15 07:36:00 - [32] Concord always comes with more than enough firepower to take out everyone involved, for every offense committed.
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.15 11:33:00 - [33] Edited by: Stratio on 15/10/2009 11:35:43 Originally by: Capt Wolfe Concord should deploy a logistics ship and help make a fight of it at least. Even if you do lose you will have had a good fight and possibly a killmail/bounty or two. Or am i barking up the wrong tree? Just hwo much repping would be provided? How would that be calculated? You can already survive an attempted suicide attack by having a tank which last longer than Concord's response time. _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Kishin Sendo	Posted - 2009.10.15 11:42:00 - [34] lol no, its a part of the game
Known Commander Krieger Allianz NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.10.15 14:30:00 - [35] Well it would be impossible , cause the point of suicide ganking is to pop a target BEFORE concord arrive with the perma jams and pain train , unless they can rep from warp ---------------------- Death Before Dishonor
Stupid McStupidson Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker	Posted - 2009.10.15 14:54:00 - [36] +1 No indention +2 Highsec Gank whine +2 Concord whine +2 2 pages of 'concord provides consequences' replies -1 Horrible mustache -------------------------- 6/10
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.10.15 14:57:00 - [37] While we are at it lets have the concord ships transform and perform mk style fataltys to other players ships.
Avan Sercedos The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.10.15 15:04:00 - [38] Originally by: jimmyjam While we are at it lets have the concord ships transform and perform mk style fataltys to other players ships. This, please
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.10.15 15:31:00 - [39] I would do a lot more suicide ganking if Optimus Prime and a flight of Gundams arrived with Voltron and Mega Maid to blow me up. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Itak Kaarta Caldari B.O.O.M	Posted - 2009.10.15 15:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Capt Wolfe I do ask them to try save the victims of crime and not just shoot the purp's, They should protect and serve! CONCORD, just like RL police (at least in America), is there to punish criminals, not protect you. That's right - the police have no legal obligation to help you. Warren v. District of Columbia NOTE: Case involves very bad things happening and the police not doing jack sh*t. Do not click this link if reading about bad things ruins your day.

Vorion Lightbringer Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.15 16:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Itak Kaarta CONCORD, just like RL police (at least in America), is there to punish criminals, not protect you. That's right - the police have no legal obligation to help you. Warren v. District of Columbia NOTE: Case involves very bad things happening and the police not doing jack sh*t. Do not click this link if reading about bad things ruins your day. EDIT: Yeah this is fairly off-topic, but then this is a troll thread anyway. Wrong. All what Warren vs DC states is that IF police fails to protect you, they cannot be held liable. Police is still required to protect: "provide adequate police protection" Be that as it may, Police doesn't fix your car if you get into a drive-by-shooting or a deliberate accident. Police will, however, make sure that you are being protected (i.e. cover fire, disabling the other vehicle by ramming, etc). Likewise, Concord cannot and should not be slowed down by targeting the victim first and repping it. If I understand it right, Once Concord shows up, and you're still alive, the aggressor cannot inflict further damage, so you're save.
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.10.15 17:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Itak Kaarta Edited by: Itak Kaarta on 15/10/2009 15:36:10 Originally by: Capt Wolfe I do ask them to try save the victims of crime and not just shoot the purp's, They should protect and serve! CONCORD, just like RL police (at least in America), is there to punish criminals, not protect you. That's right - the police have no legal obligation to help you. Warren v. District of Columbia NOTE: Case involves very bad things happening and the police not doing jack sh*t. Do not click this link if reading about bad things ruins your day. EDIT: Yeah this is fairly off-topic, but then this is a troll thread anyway. Police do not punish criminals, nor do they enforce the law. They keep the peace, and hold people for prosecution. Remember, innocent until proven guilty. The judicial branch is responsible for punishing criminals and enforcing laws. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Capt Wolfe	Posted - 2009.10.15 17:39:00 - [43] Taedrin's first response pg 1 pretty well sums the answer up. The secret is not to be a creature of habit use different agents/routes when solo mission running high value assets(faction fit CNR's and Golems)as it seems a determined gank of 12+ BSs is going to get you most places in high sec. Conclusion idea shot down Oh and i like the moustache
Ulstan	Posted - 2009.10.15 17:52:00 - [44] What's the point? As soon as concorde spawns the suicide gankers blow up. Adding logistics ships to concorde spawns would be pointless, the outcome is already decided by the time they show up. If you've already popped, the logistics ships won't save you, and if you haven't popped, you're not going to be taking any more damage from your insta blown up attackers.
Dungheap Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.15 21:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Taedrin First of all, before we get started, allow me to point you to Unwritten Rule of EVE #1: Never undock in a ship that you can not afford to lose. This includes fittings and cargo. CONCORD already has: 1) Infinite strength neuts - 2) Infinite strength ECM - 3) Infinite point scram - 4) Infinite strength webifier ~~ idiot.. you think you gonna throw 'infinite' at any computer and not have it poop itself.. stop posting
Itak Kaarta Caldari B.O.O.M	Posted - 2009.10.15 22:11:00 - [46] Originally by: Dungheap idiot.. you think you gonna throw 'infinite' at any computer and not have it poop itself.. stop posting Well, there's infinite, and then there's the max 32-bit floating point number at around 1.7 x 10^38. As far as the computer is concerned, it's pretty damn close.
Jake McCord Minmatar McCord Industries	Posted - 2009.10.15 23:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Vorion Lightbringer Originally by: Itak Kaarta CONCORD, just like RL police (at least in America), is there to punish criminals, not protect you. That's right - the police have no legal obligation to help you. Warren v. District of Columbia NOTE: Case involves very bad things happening and the police not doing jack sh*t. Do not click this link if reading about bad things ruins your day. EDIT: Yeah this is fairly off-topic, but then this is a troll thread anyway. Wrong. All what Warren vs DC states is that IF police fails to protect you, they cannot be held liable. Police is still required to protect: "provide adequate police protection" Be that as it may, Police doesn't fix your car if you get into a drive-by-shooting or a deliberate accident. Police will, however, make sure that you are being protected (i.e. cover fire, disabling the other vehicle by ramming, etc). Likewise, Concord cannot and should not be slowed down by targeting the victim first and repping it. If I understand it right, Once Concord shows up, and you're still alive, the aggressor cannot inflict further damage, so you're save. Actually, what that case said is, the police have an obligation to protect the public at large, not on an individual basis. Which is why I take responsibility for my own protection. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. I spit in the face of GoonFleet I would spit on your honor, but you have none. And May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
Grarr Bexx	Posted - 2009.10.16 01:06:00 - [48] Quote: Currently victim loses big bucks "rapists" lose peanuts Maybe you ought to stop flying your 'big bucks' in a paper basket, dumbass.
Gaizka Alud	Posted - 2009.10.16 11:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Flying ZombieJesus Originally by: Cronic Shillbilly save it my friend....the trolls will eat u alive. Pirates play easy mode, but think themself the better. CCP will never make the game to hard for them cause they will give up. they hide behind sayings like go back to wow or tears more tears. but the truth is for the most part they suck. most highsec gankers are punks who could not cut it in 0-0. they gank in high sec while they are members of a NPC corp so they can't be war dec. and call miners mission runners carebears. while they hide behind the skirt of CCP .the whole thing is very funny. So I train my skills. up to 32 million now. I keep building up my SS with concord and when player Concord officers or bounty hunters come into game. I will be ready to start killing skilless pirate gankers Really? Unskilled pirates who can't hack it in 0.0? I make money doing various things - more than enough to support my pvp losses. But I see some guys with their jita gank losses . . . .and it pretty much blows away anything I could do here. It screams "FREE MONEY", and will continue to do so when you have untanked T1 haulers fitted with cargo expanders only flying around with billions of isk in their cargo. I'm even thinking of training and alt specifically for ganking. And why not? You kids won't protect yourselves, I might as well get a piece of that juicy goodness BTW your tears taste like candy. Following above & the RL comparison (w/ couple a tweaks): 1. If u cause an accident, your ins. co. pays (not other guy/gal's ins. co.)- so in case of ganking have the pirates corp. pay the insurance 2. If u cause $x losses, you get surcharged - so add xxxisk ins. surcharge to characters who "cause accidents" 3. If u cause too many accidents, u get bumped from your ins. co. - so if pirate is in NPC, have them ejected after XXXisk losses caused (extend to alts if necessary) 4. If u keep on causing accidents, u get rejected by all ins. co. - so past certain no. of accidents, block insurance (extend to alts if necessary) Wouldn't stop the ganking (no reason to). It would add a few more economic and social costs that might make it a real decision rather than just an easy isk joyride.
dtyk	Posted - 2009.10.16 12:07:00 - [50] Wouldn't a concord logi ship be completely useless, since if the victim survives long enough for concord to show up he's going to survive anyway? If he gets blown up, that happen BEFORE concord arrives, so the only thing they could rep would be each other...

MrWhitei God Minmatar Sanguine Unity Raikiri Assasins	Posted - 2009.10.16 12:28:00 - [51] I want kill rights on concord when they blow me up and i dont get to shoot them back. Its not fair Waaaaaa Waaaaaa Waaaaaa
Capt Wolfe	Posted - 2009.10.16 15:46:00 - [52] Edited by: Capt Wolfe on 16/10/2009 15:51:56 Edited by: Capt Wolfe on 16/10/2009 15:48:39 Originally by: Gaizka Alud Following above & the RL comparison (w/ couple a tweaks): 1. If u cause an accident, your ins. co. pays (not other guy/gal's ins. co.)- so in case of ganking have the pirates corp. pay the insurance 2. If u cause $x losses, you get surcharged - so add xxxisk ins. surcharge to characters who "cause accidents" 3. If u cause too many accidents, u get bumped from your ins. co. - so if pirate is in NPC, have them ejected after XXXisk losses caused (extend to alts if necessary) 4. If u keep on causing accidents, u get rejected by all ins. co. - so past certain no. of accidents, block insurance (extend to alts if necessary) C Wouldn't stop the ganking (no reason to). It would add a few more economic and social costs that might make it a real decision rather than just an easy isk joyride. I agree with the above, I not saying there is no place for suicide ganks in the game. My point/question is that currently suicide gankers just need to do a bit of math and there is no random aspect to the deed. The gank I witnessed the mission running CNR was ganked jumping into a 0.5 system where it was obvious they had scanned his ship and worked out from the Concord response time and his fit that 11 BS's would be more than enough to do the job. The only risk to the gankers is that the high value items may get destroyed and as their insurance pays out therefore the cost benefit is always in the favour of the gankers (in RL if i deliberatly crash my car the insurance doesn't pay out.). So should there be a random aspect to suicide ganks such as a 30 to 50% chance of lets say a Concord repper turning up or even Concord arriving early to risk unknown element of risk to the dirty deed, coupled with insurance tweaks it would make things more interesting than straight sums?
Itak Kaarta Caldari B.O.O.M	Posted - 2009.10.16 16:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Capt Wolfe So should there be a random aspect to suicide ganks such as a 30 to 50% chance of lets say a Concord repper turning up or even Concord arriving early to risk unknown element of risk to the dirty deed, coupled with insurance tweaks it would make things more interesting than straight sums? See, that's the thing - someone has already pointed out that once CONCORD shows up, the gank dps stops immediately. At that point, you're either dead or you aren't, and a rep ship is pointless. Now, varying CONCORD response time is a much more reasonable idea. However, all that really does is nerf hi-sec ganking, which upon further reflection is probably what you want. Look, hi-sec does not mean safe. Hi-sec means safeER. Tank your haulers, don't carry everything you own around at once, don't autopilot, and be careful when boating around in your crazy expensive mission ship.
Aesynil Caldari The Unit...	Posted - 2009.10.18 09:09:00 - [54] Originally by: Ekon Bor Originally by: Dawts Originally by: Taedrin CONCORDUKKEN I think you mean concordokken fake edit: It's been awhile since I've seen someone post the concordokken mspaint vid. I think Concordukken is when you stuff a chicken inside a turkey inside an unkillable super battleship. I'm embarassed...I lol'd :( The Unit pursues invention, manufacturing, mining, and research. Evemail us if you need anything related to Science and Industry.


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