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Rells Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Rells on 17/10/2009 02:24:48 Ok I have spent a couple threads excoriating carebears for their complacency and cowardice but certainly all carebears are not created equal. Some carebears are such because they choose to request the sistem to babysit them. They see all pvp as borderline psychotic that should require real life jail time. These individuals are, mostly, intractible and incurable. They will meander through games running the treadmill of the grind and never know what they are missing. Other carebears are such because they don't feel they are equipped to fight the "bad guys" and therefore they don't think that they have a chance to do other than carebearing. They are intimidated by perceived need for SP and ISK; they dont know where to start and get lost. They would love to fight back but feel the problem is insurmountable. Often these carebears are ANGRY but feel powerless. It is to you people that I speak in this thread. One piece of advice I could give yo uall is to take one of AGONY Unleashed's classes. Yes they are booked a logn time in advance but if you can get in, it is worth it. Sure, that is a bit self-pumping since I designed many of the courses but also I would credit the dedication and professionalism of AGONY's teachers. I am not associated with them anymore so I am afraid I cant be your key in that door. With that being said, the AGONY classes will only get you started to see the iceberg, the tip of that iceberg will be more work to discover and the rest of the iceberg will be a challenge for as long as you play the game. But since you are having trouble believing I will offer this challenge. In this thread I will challenge you to hit me with your best shot of a problematic situation. It might be a problematic pirate corp or a person harassing your missions. Whatever the situation is, I challenge that there is a way to solve it using less than 10 people with tech 1 gear. So lets hear it. Challenge me and I will reply with advice on how to accomplish the solution. Please be as complete as possible in your description and realize you may need a few friends to pull it off but it can be done. The time for crying is past. Its time for you to make the other guy cry. Oh and in the meantime enjoy all the entertaining flames I will attract. It always entertains me.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:36:00 - [2] wat? \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:41:00 - [3] Carebear Instruction Video SKUNK (o)
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Rells They see all pvp as borderline psychotic I've only ever seen this raised when the 'PvP' is the equivalent of kicking puppies for chuckles. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:42:00 - [5] Could you seriously give up now? Your first few were ok.. but seriously. Give up. Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Rells Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Verone wat? A unite of measure accomplished by multiplying amps x volts but spelled with two Ts. Glad to help. Dont know how that was relevant to pvp but glad to help. Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Rells They see all pvp as borderline psychotic I've only ever seen this raised when the 'PvP' is the equivalent of kicking puppies for chuckles. Same thing really. People are associating combat in a video game with a real life action that hurts someone. Its a bizarre and unhealthy association. Originally by: Lance Fighter Could you seriously give up now? Your first few were ok.. but seriously. Give up. The fact that I am annoying you makes me very happy. Thanks.
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:49:00 - [7] Some carebears are pure cowards, yes. Others don't know how to engage in combat, true. But most carebears simply don't care, and picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight is not attractive to them. We're not Russel Crowe, stop wishing everyone would act like him. ____________________ CCP: Catering to the cowards of a cold, harsh universe since November, 2006.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:50:00 - [8] :rells: Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:54:00 - [9] Which is more psychotic? PvP or going crazy about little kids? Because I think it's the later. I mean, in a purely rhetorical sense. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Blackjack Turner Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.10.17 02:55:00 - [10] 4/10 Actually asking for flames. You should perhaps actually play versus spending your account time posting. Can't be between meetings, so must be late and bored. How much longer on the account anyway?
Vero Mentula	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:01:00 - [11] So who are you to tell someone how to play the game? Maybe just maybe some people like playing a cool spaceship game and are happy living in empire shooting at npc's. Who made anyone the arbitrator of what someone else should do? If you see Eve with a narrow focus on what the "right" thing to do is, you have a very narrow view of the game.
Minari Shiranui Caldari Gulliver Corp Prismatic Refraction	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:06:00 - [12] Seriously wtf?? Why are you so butthurt about carebears man? They touch you in naughty places?? The majority of pvp'ers don't give a flying f*** about carebears, as long as there's enough of them to kill. And besides, those of us that don't spend hours on a gate ganking afk haulers need to carebear (plex/rat/mission) from time to time to afford our pvp ships/raise sec status. I ain't spending rl cash on gtc's.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:07:00 - [13] Why even bother with it Rells? The best we can possibly hope for is to push game design towards maximum freedom of choice and as little coddling and interference from CCP as possible and watch the independent thinkers succeed and the losers die off. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Minari Shiranui Caldari Gulliver Corp Prismatic Refraction	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:16:00 - [14] You think eve is dying because of carebears? I don't see it. If eve looks like dying I'm sure ccp will take appropriate measures. And if they fail and eve dies, so f***ing what?? it's a game, not gonna last forever...
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:22:00 - [15] \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Oscardoodle Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:24:00 - [16] Rells, you are Rells. nuff said.
Lotus Sutra Caldari Sutra Inc	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:25:00 - [17] You have an Industrial trained corp of 10 members. The highest any have trained gunnery is 3 and the best they can fly combat ship wise is tier 2 cruisers, but can't fit medium guns. They can fly Industrial ships, and Minging Barges/Exhumers and do have T2 medium drone skills trained. Their online time is USA, EST, usually from 6pm-10pm m-f, and off and on all day Sat & Sun. Their all relatively new characters less than 3 months old. They have been war decced by a 35 man griefer corp that generally has the same playing hours, but can field 20-25 members at any one time that are highly skilled and fly everything from T2 frigates all the way up to tier 3 battleships. The youngest known member of the griefer corp is 2 years old. The griefer corp has the industrial corp station camped and refuses to drop the war dec until they are paid 25 billion isk. They are adding 1 billion isk for each week the war goes on. The Industrial corp hired a merc corp to help them in the war, but after a week, the merc corp dropped their fight because the industrial corp could no longer pay their price as their finances were exhausted. Now Rells. Tell me how your 10 man industrial skilled corp, can handle this situation. ------------------------------------------------ The 5 minute posting timer is the direct result of people not using basic computer safety methods. Place the blame where it belongs.
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:36:00 - [18] OK, then. Problem Situation. Corp A is a lolrp corporation. 6 members, oldest is 2 years old, newest is just off trial. Pvp experience is mostly from FW. Oldest player has some 0.0 experience. Income is mostly from Pve, some manufacturing. Corp B is also a lolrp corporation, and has threatened to declare war ostensibly because of ideological differences, but really because the CEO is incapable of handling the IC/OOC divide and throws their toys out the pram as often as possible, with habit of stalking former WTs and declaring war on them. Numbers are around 80 people, many of which have been playing from 2003. Income is from t2 manufacturing, playing the markets, and unidentifed alt corps. What would you do here? Yes. Yes, I am.
Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:39:00 - [19] I play maybe 1 to 2 hrs a day and can't deal with people who don't work at or near maximum efficiency. All my corp experiences have been little more than a) we need moar mindless drones to feed our POS or b) zomg PVP is the onry way to eve. come out of the station so we can pod you. I don't care about losing ships, but I care even less about being an internet tough guy. While the logistics of a large, organized 0.0 corps intrigue me, I just don't care enough to get into the game that much. Now tell me why I need to go out on the playground when I'm happy enough and not bothering anyone in the library.
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:51:00 - [20] I remember when I used to care how other people played the game. Whining and complaining and wondering how someone can play the same game I do but not enjoy the same things. Eventually I stopped being a newb and accepted there are different ways to enjoy the game. Then I stopped caring so much about what everyone else was doing.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.17 04:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Verone wat? A unite of measure accomplished by multiplying amps x volts but spelled with two Ts. And unit is spelled without an E. Pedant.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.17 05:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Lance Fighter Could you seriously give up now? Your first few were ok.. but seriously. Give up. The fact that I am annoying you makes me very happy. Thanks. lol :D Not annoying me, but.. its just ... stupid. You offer the eve forums nothing.. Yet you make it out like you are someone the entire community should worship like a god. Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Tom Warrior	Posted - 2009.10.17 05:54:00 - [23] Grats Rells on getting both Boring and Pointless to 5. It's been quite a grind.
Rells Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.17 06:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Rells on 17/10/2009 06:13:47 Originally by: Lotus Sutra You have an Industrial trained corp of 10 members. ... SNIP ... Their online time is USA, EST, usually from 6pm-10pm m-f, and off and on all day Sat & Sun. Their all relatively new characters less than 3 months old. They have been war decced by a 35 man griefer corp that generally has the same playing hours, ... SNIP ... The Industrial corp hired a merc corp to help them in the war, ... SNIP ... Now Rells. Tell me how your 10 man industrial skilled corp, can handle this situation. Sorry but I had to snip out irrelevant parts for the 4k limit. You already answered your own question several times. The fact that their play time can be predicted is the key to their demise. You have CHOSEN to work within the playtime that they have established and you let them control the situation. SO what you do is first of all get your people on when these guys are in bed. Arrange to get everyone on at rsome obscene area. Then move off to several stations splitting up. You each need to fit one t1 frigate with weapons and PvP gear. Focus on ewar and DPS and ignore tanks as frigs dont tank. If you can manage destroyers all the better. Put very cheap T1 gear on the ships. Now when game time arises you need to take the initiave. In order to keep you camped in high sec they cant use a bubble so they will need ships that lock really fast. Leaving a singe corp member in (or better an alt) to bait them will work best. When the bait comes out their tacklers will lock and fire. At this time you warp in your destroyer frig fleet for the sole purpose of killing their tacklers. You pop their interceptor or interdictor with your fleet and warp out. Ignore anything you cant 2 volley. Now here is the important thing .. you must learn about dock rules. If a ship engages another, he cant dock for 30 seconds. You are not going for a protrated fight, you want to cream the light expensive interceptor and get out. Anyone in your group that loses a ship loses nothing valuable and is always prepared to warp the pod out. As soon as you are scrammed spam click to warp out to a moon. Keep this up for a week and you will inflict isk an morale damage. Their taklers will stop showing up, if they have no tacklers you warp in and out of the station ignoring them. Your goal isnt to kill their heavy ships. Dont fight them on even ground. You goal is to harass them. When they are setting up their camp, figure out where their home base is and ambush them on the way to their camp. Then whether or not you get the kill, warp off before they can reply. I promise they WILL get upset and they WILL bugger off.
Rells Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.17 06:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Shirley Serious OK, then. Problem Situation. Corp A is a lolrp corporation. 6 members, oldest is 2 years old, newest is just off trial. Pvp experience is mostly from FW. Oldest player has some 0.0 experience. Income is mostly from Pve, some manufacturing. Corp B is also a lolrp corporation, and has threatened to declare war ostensibly because of ideological differences, but really because the CEO is incapable of handling the IC/OOC divide and throws their toys out the pram as often as possible, with habit of stalking former WTs and declaring war on them. Numbers are around 80 people, many of which have been playing from 2003. Income is from t2 manufacturing, playing the markets, and unidentifed alt corps. What would you do here? Christ man, you need an anti-abbreviation machine. Seriously though, the problem with your agressive corp is the purile reaction of the CEO. The good news is that if he is like that with you, that is his nature and he will do this to others. He can be only who he is. You have two choices really in this fight. Option one is to simply get them to leave you alone. Option two is to destroy their corp. Its a fact of life that as organizaitons get larger, intra-organization tensions get higher. Eventually the tensions outpace the cohesiveness and corps can come apart. Your goal is to find out what their tension points are. Do they have a friend corp that they dont quite trust? Are there people in the corp feelign cheated? Anything you can find for intel is valuable. To kill the corp you need to magnify internal tensions but you must be subtle. When AGONY went to antoher region I let the resident Alliance think that we had been hiredby one of their allies to make their life miserable. I NEVER came right out and said it because that would be too obvious but I arranged to have the clues dropped and placed so that they could "come to their own conclusion" but the conclusion I wanted them to come to. Through a process of harassing them with a smaller force and magnifying that tension, it blew them apart. I didnt need their friends to be in cooperation with me because it was inevitable that some small incident would happen. A person in the friend alliance mught get upset and fire on the alliance I was targeting. Without the resonance, the alliances would dismiss it. With the tensions built up, a small incident becomes massive. To get them to leave you alone you have to realize that its not application of massive force that is the answer but judicious application of minimal force.Dont take them on traditionally. First if you feel a war dec is inevtiable, dec them instead of them decing you. Now you avoid any large scale confrontation. Pick off their traders, their miners, the people going to fuel the pos. Whenever a larger force shows up, vanish. Stay in small, fast and deadly ships that are geared up for hit and run attacks. Suspend any trading or mining operations yourself unless they can be done at odd hours of the night when your opponent is sleeping. Be elusive, like a ghost. Your goal isnt to flatten their battleships, its to annoy the crap out of them. Be a dozen mosquitos buzzing around their heads.
Hot Fudge Minmatar Sweet -N- Sticky	Posted - 2009.10.17 06:31:00 - [26] Edited by: Hot Fudge on 17/10/2009 06:35:15 Nothing here, move along. ========================= Sweet, sticky, and bad for your health.
Lotus Sutra Caldari Sutra Inc	Posted - 2009.10.17 06:34:00 - [27] Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 17/10/2009 06:36:12 Grinz. I like the answer. I wanted to toss a potentially 'tough one' at you and see how you answered. I personally do a bit of everything, PVP, mining, manufacturing, missioning, market etc, but the latter four are just to fuel the former (and I haven't got the market totally figured out yet). I don't disagree with your statements totally, just some areas I think are somewhat skewed to the PVP viewpoint. Only two things in this game do I find boring really and that's mining and manufacturing. Missioning i'll do if I just don't feel 'on my game' enough to go fly low sec romps and see what kind of trouble I can get into. I would not be classed as a carebear in your eyes I don't think, although I am risk adverse. If I'm not likely to win a fight or at least have the potential to take 1 or more with me before I pop, and can avoid it I will, if not I will go down guns blazing, and spit in the devils eye. The first oh I don't know, maybe 5-15 fights or so I got into I had the rush etc you describe, but that has long sense faded away. Much like the first few times I raced a car on the street. EVE is nothing like actual combat though, there is a huge difference between bullets flying past your head, and an interwebz spaceship game, I have a friend with a purple heart and a wheelchair for the rest of his life to prove it, so those who try to equate in game actions/behaviors with out of game actions/behaviors really just need to stop. On both sides. Finally Rells I have just one thing to say to you directly. While I may agree as I said above, with some aspects of what you say, I believe your methodology in saying it is flawed and incendiary and serves more to divide and polarize than bridge and educate. Fly safe, or give them hell if you can't. Lotus ------------------------------------------------ The 5 minute posting timer is the direct result of people not using basic computer safety methods. Place the blame where it belongs.
Rells Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.17 06:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche I play maybe 1 to 2 hrs a day and can't deal with people who don't work at or near maximum efficiency. All my corp experiences have been little more than a) we need moar mindless drones to feed our POS or b) zomg PVP is the onry way to eve. come out of the station so we can pod you. I don't care about losing ships, but I care even less about being an internet tough guy. While the logistics of a large, organized 0.0 corps intrigue me, I just don't care enough to get into the game that much. Now tell me why I need to go out on the playground when I'm happy enough and not bothering anyone in the library. First of all you have to deal with your personal unrealistic expectation of others. Second of all I have no malice when I say that Eve may not be the game for you. Not that you dont have the ability but you dont have the time. Your entire post is laced with apathy and negativity and you have a decision to make. If you really dont care as much as you say then I would counter that you should find something in your life that DOES reward you and to hell with a stupid video game. That might be a hobby, volunteering for a charity or even another video game. On the other hand if you DO care about the game then you MUST come to the realization that it is your outlook that is blockign you, not the game. With done with the work of the thread, its time to have some fun. Originally by: An Anarchyyt Which is more psychotic? PvP or going crazy about little kids? Because I think it's the later. I mean, in a purely rhetorical sense. Lost me there. I LOVE children. I would adopt 50 if I could afford it. My three children are the soul of my heart and if anyone hurt them I wouldnt care about law or myself, I would give my life to protect them. Originally by: Minari Shiranui You think eve is dying because of carebears? I don't see it. If eve looks like dying I'm sure ccp will take appropriate measures. And if they fail and eve dies, so f*ing what?? it's a game, not gonna last forever... Your words not mine. You have no idea what I think clearly. I dont think Eve is "dieing" in the sense of loss of subscriptions and so on. I do think, however, that there are worse things than losing subscribers. Losing your vision and cloning something else (such as WoW) to gain subscriptions is betraying yourself and selling out for 30 pieces of silver. Originally by:** Lance Fighter Not annoying me, but.. its just ... stupid. You offer the eve forums nothing.. Yet you make it out like you are someone the entire community should worship like a god. And yet you felt compelled to reply. You couldnt resist it. As for me being a god, hardly. In fact I have been saying the opposite if you would simply read instead of spouting invective. Originally by: Tom Warrior Grats Rells on getting both Boring and Pointless to 5. It's been quite a grind. Like theo ther poster you couldnt resist replying. You think the thread is pointless but couldnt resist it. So what does that say about you?
Rells Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.17 06:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Lotus Sutra Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 17/10/2009 06:36:12 Grinz. I like the answer. I wanted to toss a potentially 'tough one' at you and see how you answered. Glad you liked it. Originally by: Lotus Sutra I personally do a bit of everything, PVP, mining, manufacturing, missioning, market etc, but the latter four are just to fuel the former (and I haven't got the market totally figured out yet). I don't disagree with your statements totally, just some areas I think are somewhat skewed to the PVP viewpoint. Only two things in this game do I find boring really and that's mining and manufacturing. Missioning i'll do if I just don't feel 'on my game' enough to go fly low sec romps and see what kind of trouble I can get into. I would not be classed as a carebear in your eyes I don't think, although I am risk adverse. If I'm not likely to win a fight or at least have the potential to take 1 or more with me before I pop, and can avoid it I will, if not I will go down guns blazing, and spit in the devils eye. Only YOU know if you are a carebear. It seems to me, and I dont know you, that you enjoy pvp as well as other parts of the game. My reccomendation would be to join an alliance or 0.0 corp. You might be amazed to find that in 0.0 they pretty much play eve like you do. People in 0.0 have to mine, rat, mission, research and build. They do it well but in 0.0 it has a whole new flavor. Originally by: Lotus Sutra The first oh I don't know, maybe 5-15 fights or so I got into I had the rush etc you describe, but that has long sense faded away. Much like the first few times I raced a car on the street. do more risky things. Set up T1 ships to kill tech 2 inties and interdictors and go fishing. Learn how to attack them. If you dont get a rush when that inty blows up under the guns of your tech 1 frigate, you probably should see a neurologist. Originally by: Lotus Sutra EVE is nothing like actual combat though, there is a huge difference between bullets flying past your head, and an interwebz spaceship game, I have a friend with a purple heart and a wheelchair for the rest of his life to prove it, so those who try to equate in game actions/behaviors with out of game actions/behaviors really just need to stop. On both sides. I have friends thath ave been in the sandbox and i personally have felt my life in danger. There are similarities in some psychological reactions but the fear and shakes of real combat are much larger. You get a rush in the game because you accomplish partial transferrence due to not wanting to lose that ship. The risk is there. Once you stop caring about the loss, the rush dies. Originally by: Lotus Sutra Finally Rells I have just one thing to say to you directly. While I may agree as I said above, with some aspects of what you say, I believe your methodology in saying it is flawed and incendiary and serves more to divide and polarize than bridge and educate. Yeah but it is so fun. I spent all my eve career having to be a politician here and there and I am done with that. It is liberating to just be able to say the raw truth. The reality is those that flame me are not my audience. Those that lurk are. Those that flame cant be saved and are doomed to run the hamster wheel of MMOG vendors their whole gaming career. Originally by: Lotus Sutra Fly safe, or give them hell if you can't. Lotus Now you are talking!
wickedpheonix Caldari Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division	Posted - 2009.10.17 06:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Blackjack Turner 4/10 Actually asking for flames. You should perhaps actually play versus spending your account time posting. Can't be between meetings, so must be late and bored. How much longer on the account anyway? Obvious flamebait is obvious, I always say. +1. People who actually understand PVP have too much fun PVP'ing to spend such a ridiculous time posting epic essays on the forums. Plus he says he quit (lol). sigh.... elohai ad matai? (God, until when [will it end]?)

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