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Kalia Masaer Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:18:00 - [31] So some of you say the myrm does not a have a correct ratio to the Vexor, well i guess I can agree to that but you do realize that the Vexor is ridiculously powerful for a T1 cruiser. It can easily do 579 dps with T1 ammo without overheating or implants and that puts it over 100 dps ahead of most other cruisers. Yes that is with 1/2/2 drones. Still a cruiser that can do that sort of damage to a BS. If you gave the myrm proportionate power as most races cruisers to BC's who would bother to fly a Dominix.
Miriiah	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:26:00 - [32] Originally by: Kalia Masaer So some of you say the myrm does not a have a correct ratio to the Vexor, well i guess I can agree to that but you do realize that the Vexor is ridiculously powerful for a T1 cruiser. It can easily do 579 dps with T1 ammo without overheating or implants and that puts it over 100 dps ahead of most other cruisers. Yes that is with 1/2/2 drones. Still a cruiser that can do that sort of damage to a BS. If you gave the myrm proportionate power as most races cruisers to BC's who would bother to fly a Dominix. Link fitting plx (t1 "ammo" = t1 drones aswell)
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:37:00 - [33] Originally by: Miriiah Link fitting plx (t1 "ammo" = t1 drones aswell) Drones are no ammo. With 800mm plate buffer you get 550 DPS, 585 DPS with CN faction ammo.
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Kalia Masaer So some of you say the myrm does not a have a correct ratio to the Vexor, well i guess I can agree to that but you do realize that the Vexor is ridiculously powerful for a T1 cruiser. It can easily do 579 dps with T1 ammo without overheating or implants and that puts it over 100 dps ahead of most other cruisers. Yes that is with 1/2/2 drones. Still a cruiser that can do that sort of damage to a BS. If you gave the myrm proportionate power as most races cruisers to BC's who would bother to fly a Dominix. I wish there was Amarr T1 cruiser dealing 479 DPS :-/
Miriiah	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:45:00 - [35] Edited by: Miriiah on 18/10/2009 17:46:28 Originally by: Caldor Mansi Edited by: Caldor Mansi on 18/10/2009 17:38:53 Originally by: Miriiah Link fitting plx (t1 "ammo" = t1 drones aswell) Drones are no ammo. With 800mm plate buffer you get 550 DPS, 585 DPS with CN faction ammo. No rigs. no it's not, but counting dps saying you're just using t1 ammo when over 50% of the dps is from drones is fail [Vexor, Shield Buffergank] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I Large Shield Extender II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 684 all 5, that's how to fit a gank vexor;o "I wish there was Amarr T1 cruiser dealing 479 DPS :-/" yeah. Amarr doesn't FOTM at cruisers, just everything else
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.18 18:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Miriiah no it's not, but counting dps saying you're just using t1 ammo when over 50% of the dps is from drones is fail [Vexor, Shield Buffergank] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I Large Shield Extender II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 684 all 5, that's how to fit a gank vexor;o "I wish there was Amarr T1 cruiser dealing 479 DPS :-/" yeah. Amarr doesn't FOTM at cruisers, just everything else Drones are no ammunition, they are not consumables. They are destructible guns. Also I see no point in posting your pointless fit...
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.18 18:39:00 - [37] You use a dominix over other things because it has a stronger tank, more drone versatility, and it has the ability to use large neuts, remote repairs, and what not. The ishtar is the ONLY hac that outdamages its racial battlecruisers. Where people get the idea that a zealot outdamages a harbinger and a vaga outdamages a hurricane, and a cerberus outdamges a drake I don't know. Why do people think 5 heavy drones are a problem? Sure it might have been with the drone tracking not being horrible before the nano nerf and nos being ridiculous with webs, but now all you can do is field a mediocre tank that lasts for a relatively short amount of time due to having a fairly small cargo hold and crap versatility because the ishtar has more bandwith and dronebay. Consider this, what if the vagabond's bonuses were changed to drone related bonuses and you kept the 5 turrets while still having a small drone bay. It would be like the current myrmidon. You are relying on unbonused weapons to produce a still mediocre damage output because your main weapon system is horrendously limited. Gallente is INTENDED to produce the most damage with the least range, so what is the problem with allowing the myrmidon to do this.
nafiy gnaw	Posted - 2009.10.18 20:52:00 - [38] Originally by: abrasive soap The ishtar is the ONLY hac that outdamages its racial battlecruisers. Where people get the idea that a zealot outdamages a harbinger and a vaga outdamages a hurricane, and a cerberus outdamges a drake I don't know. Actually, no. Unless Prophecy isnt an Amarr BC or Ferox isnt a Caldari BC. Ishtar certainly cant outdamage a Brutix, also, which, -I think-, is a Gallente BC.
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.19 02:44:00 - [39] Originally by: nafiy gnaw Originally by: abrasive soap The ishtar is the ONLY hac that outdamages its racial battlecruisers. Where people get the idea that a zealot outdamages a harbinger and a vaga outdamages a hurricane, and a cerberus outdamges a drake I don't know. Actually, no. Unless Prophecy isnt an Amarr BC or Ferox isnt a Caldari BC. Ishtar certainly cant outdamage a Brutix, also, which, -I think-, is a Gallente BC. I am referring to tier 2 bcs because all of the tier 1 bcs are broken. You can argue that gank fit brutixes aren't broken, but 5 lows is pretty crap for an armor tanked battlecruiser. Also, when you gank fit the ishtar and brutix, the ishtar comes within 21 dps of the brutix.
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:18:00 - [40] Edited by: Caldor Mansi on 19/10/2009 14:18:15 Originally by: abrasive soap I really don't see the problem with the vexor doing that kind of damage when it doesn't even have a tank fit. You have no range whatsoever, your heavy drones won't hit anything sub bs for any significant amount of damage (if you wanted them to hit you would need a web anyways, maybe two) and an omen and rupture could easily kill it because both are faster and have more range. 550 DPS Vexor can still fit a 800mm plate or 1600mm if used with small guns. The LSE fit is only usable in 5vs1 engagements for pure gank. Omen has absolutely no tank and no DPS, it has got range only and it can't kill anything solo. Yes, Rupture is gonna kill probably anything but somehow I fail to see how it makes Amar boats better...
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.20 01:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Caldor Mansi Edited by: Caldor Mansi on 19/10/2009 14:18:15 Originally by: abrasive soap I really don't see the problem with the vexor doing that kind of damage when it doesn't even have a tank fit. You have no range whatsoever, your heavy drones won't hit anything sub bs for any significant amount of damage (if you wanted them to hit you would need a web anyways, maybe two) and an omen and rupture could easily kill it because both are faster and have more range. 550 DPS Vexor can still fit a 800mm plate or 1600mm if used with small guns. The LSE fit is only usable in 5vs1 engagements for pure gank. Omen has absolutely no tank and no DPS, it has got range only and it can't kill anything solo. Yes, Rupture is gonna kill probably anything but somehow I fail to see how it makes Amar boats better... And can't an 800 plate rupture also do 550 dps as well as a thorax? [Omen, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Hobgoblin II x3 This works pretty well
Alxea	Posted - 2009.10.20 02:04:00 - [42] DPS with level 5 skills largest guns and 3 damage mods. Zealot Max DPS 668 with high damage ammo and overloading. Eagle 584 DPS Same as above. Muninn 664 DPS Vagabond 746 DPS Deimos 889 DPS Ishtar NO GUNS 475 DPS Drone damage Ogre ll's Ishtar No GUNS 538 Sentry damage Garde ll's damage rigs. Ishtar with small guns roughly 600 DPS. All these are heavy buffers with 1600mm plate and pg imps and pg rigs with as much DPS as stacking will allow before they become useless roughly after the 3rd damage mod besides B.C's (4th helps with ROF). Ishtars have pg issues fitting the largest guns. They can't the the buffer of a deimos or a zealot with damage mods. But with a 800mm plate and a dc and 3 mag stabs and the largest guns for the record can do... Ishtar with guns 826 DPS + ogre ll's. Just so we tried for max DPS. Also missile boats... Sacr 707 DPS 3 damage mods HAM fitted. Cerb 686 with 4 damage mods HAM fitted. Ishtar's are the most difficult ships to fit with guns because they have a very poor PG. This is why guns are most of the time not used with them. They actually do the lowest DPS of all the hac's. But can buffer tank well because you don't need guns since your main damage comes from drones.
Alxea	Posted - 2009.10.20 02:35:00 - [43] Edited by: Alxea on 20/10/2009 02:36:44 2ndly the Myrm can do 846 DPS with a 3 mag stab gank fit and overloaded. A eos can do 794 DPS again with 3 magstabs. A eos needs the drone bonuses. A brutix can do over 1000 DPS and its a Tier 1 ship, Tier 2 ships should do more dps. Astarte does the most of any CS, 1200 DPS with similar fits.
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.20 05:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Alxea Edited by: Alxea on 20/10/2009 02:17:34 Edited by: Alxea on 20/10/2009 02:08:56 DPS with level 5 skills largest guns and 3 damage mods. Zealot Max DPS 668 with high damage ammo and overloading. Eagle 584 DPS Same as above. Muninn 664 DPS Vagabond 746 DPS Deimos 889 DPS Ishtar NO GUNS 475 DPS Drone damage Ogre ll's Ishtar No GUNS 538 Sentry damage Garde ll's damage rigs. Ishtar with small guns roughly 550 DPS. All these are heavy buffers with 1600mm plate and pg imps and pg rigs with as much DPS as stacking will allow before they become useless roughly after the 3rd damage mod besides B.C's (4th helps with ROF). Ishtars have pg issues fitting the largest guns. They can't the the buffer of a deimos or a zealot with damage mods. But with a 800mm plate and a dc and 3 mag stabs and the largest guns for the record can do... Ishtar with guns 826 DPS + ogre ll's. Just so we tried for max DPS. Also missile boats... Sacr 707 DPS 3 damage mods HAM fitted. Cerb 686 with 4 damage mods HAM fitted. Ishtar's are the most difficult ships to fit with guns because they have a very poor PG. This is why guns are most of the time not used with them. They actually do the lowest DPS of all the hac's when fitted for buffer. But can buffer tank well because you don't need guns since your main damage comes from drones. But yes they can also gank you just have a paper tank compared to other hac's. Ishtars just lack the freedom of other ships with massive buffers when you fit them for dps because of the lack of pg and such. Shield buffers however are a different matter on them, you can get more ehp but you have to sacrifice tackle. This would be for when you have tacklers with you. Its just easier on the pg. 'high damage ammo and overloading' i stopped reading here 'Vagabond 746 DPS' then i stopped reading again here 'Ishtar with small guns roughly 550 DPS.' then i started laughing at your unequal comparison 'Sacr 707 DPS 3 damage mods HAM fitted. Cerb 686 with 4 damage mods HAM fitted.' continued laughing here 'Ishtar's are the most difficult ships to fit with guns because they have a very poor PG. This is why guns are most of the time not used with them. They actually do the lowest DPS of all the hac's when fitted for buffer. But can buffer tank well because you don't need guns since your main damage comes from drones. But yes they can also gank you just have a paper tank compared to other hac's.' almost could not continue reading because i was laughing so hard 'Ishtars just lack the freedom of other ships with massive buffers when you fit them for dps because of the lack of pg and such. Shield buffers however are a different matter on them, you can get more ehp but you have to sacrifice tackle. This would be for when you have tacklers with you. Its just easier on the pg.' haha, oh wow '2ndly the Myrm can do 846 DPS with a 3 mag stab gank fit and overloaded. A eos can do 794 DPS again with 3 magstabs. A eos needs the drone bonuses. A brutix can do over 1000 DPS and its a Tier 1 ship, Tier 2 ships should do more dps. Astarte does the most of any CS, 1200 DPS with similar fits.' totally relevant considering the myrmidon can neither overload forever nor has a gun bonus making your overloading figures completely moot What is the point of comparing these using the largest guns and the highest damage ammo that no one, except for people who know no better, use, while overloading which can be done for maybe 20 seconds with guns. No one even uses zealots in close range unless they are utterly horrible, nor do they use blaster eagles, no one even uses the muninn, no one uses hail on vagabonds, and hardly anyone uses the deimos because you die getting into range to do your totally sick dps, bro, and those that do use the deimos certainly do not use void. The sacrilege and cerberus comparisons are just a joke because hams do not do full damage to cruisers and in most cases, battlecruisers.
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.20 05:59:00 - [45] Edited by: abrasive soap on 20/10/2009 05:59:52 My whole point is that the myrmidon sacrifices far too much to do the current amount of damage it does. There is a reason why people use harbingers, drakes and hurricanes over myrmidons. The reason is range, and to a lesser degree, speed and buffer tank.
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.20 09:09:00 - [46] Originally by: abrasive soap This works pretty well It works 'well' in groups only. Nothing comparable to perfromance of Vexor, Thorax or Rupture. Only viable Amarr T1 cruiser in this case is a drone boat - Arbitrator, and even then the ship is no way near to ships said above. Originally by: abrasive soap My whole point is that the myrmidon sacrifices far too much to do the current amount of damage it does. There is a reason why people use harbingers, drakes and hurricanes over myrmidons. The reason is range, and to a lesser degree, speed and buffer tank. Myrm can have same buffer while dishing same/or greater DPS. It does not have range, like all non-sentry and blaster boats but it can fill nice utility role with RR and e-war. Like all drones boats it does well the jack of all trades due high versatility.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.20 09:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Zeredek I got depressed when i saw the bandwidth on the Eos, i mean come on! It's a Tech 2 Battlecruiser! Compared to the DPS beasts like... the Vulture, you mean?
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.10.20 09:47:00 - [48] Woah, I thought that the role of Fleet CS was to provide gang bonuses. Now I see that it's to be a solopwnmobile. Or is that just the Gallente one?
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.21 02:01:00 - [49] Edited by: abrasive soap on 21/10/2009 02:04:30 Originally by: Caldor Mansi Originally by: abrasive soap This works pretty well It works 'well' in groups only. Nothing comparable to perfromance of Vexor, Thorax or Rupture. Only viable Amarr T1 cruiser in this case is a drone boat - Arbitrator, and even then the ship is no way near to ships said above. Originally by: abrasive soap My whole point is that the myrmidon sacrifices far too much to do the current amount of damage it does. There is a reason why people use harbingers, drakes and hurricanes over myrmidons. The reason is range, and to a lesser degree, speed and buffer tank. Myrm can have same buffer while dishing same/or greater DPS. It does not have range, like all non-sentry and blaster boats but it can fill nice utility role with RR and e-war. Like all drones boats it does well the jack of all trades due high versatility. No, actually I solo with that omen fit. If you don't even use it why are you commenting on how I should use it. Oh and it is also far faster than the vexor, thorax and plate rupture while doing more damage at 20km. Quote: Myrm can have same buffer while dishing same/or greater DPS. 0/10 Quote: like all non-sentry and blaster boats but it can fill nice utility role with RR and e-war -10/10 Quote: Woah, I thought that the role of Fleet CS was to provide gang bonuses. Now I see that it's to be a solopwnmobile. Or is that just the Gallente one? Because every ship fits electronic warfare, right? The other 3 commandships apply to and aid all other ships while the eos bonuses don't even come into play on most things. Giving it damage would give it a role, it still would not be a 'solopwnmobile' as nos is bad now and the cargo hold on the eos is awful. Oh, the range and speed are crap as well so a hurricane could kill it.
Saerinea Kael	Posted - 2009.10.21 06:29:00 - [50] Originally by: abrasive soap Edited by: abrasive soap on 21/10/2009 02:04:30 Originally by: Caldor Mansi Originally by: abrasive soap This works pretty well It works 'well' in groups only. Nothing comparable to perfromance of Vexor, Thorax or Rupture. Only viable Amarr T1 cruiser in this case is a drone boat - Arbitrator, and even then the ship is no way near to ships said above. Originally by: abrasive soap My whole point is that the myrmidon sacrifices far too much to do the current amount of damage it does. There is a reason why people use harbingers, drakes and hurricanes over myrmidons. The reason is range, and to a lesser degree, speed and buffer tank. Myrm can have same buffer while dishing same/or greater DPS. It does not have range, like all non-sentry and blaster boats but it can fill nice utility role with RR and e-war. Like all drones boats it does well the jack of all trades due high versatility. No, actually I solo with that omen fit. If you don't even use it why are you commenting on how I should use it. Oh and it is also far faster than the vexor, thorax and plate rupture while doing more damage at 20km. Quote: Myrm can have same buffer while dishing same/or greater DPS. 0/10 Quote: like all non-sentry and blaster boats but it can fill nice utility role with RR and e-war -10/10 Quote: Woah, I thought that the role of Fleet CS was to provide gang bonuses. Now I see that it's to be a solopwnmobile. Or is that just the Gallente one? Because every ship fits electronic warfare, right? The other 3 commandships apply to and aid all other ships while the eos bonuses don't even come into play on most things. Giving it damage would give it a role, it still would not be a 'solopwnmobile' as nos is bad now and the cargo hold on the eos is awful. Oh, the range and speed are crap as well so a hurricane could kill it. First of all, you do realize that fleet command ships are intended to be used in medium to large sized fleets, right? In case you didn't know, any fleet larger than about 15 ships or so (that expects an engagement with a similar sized fleet) worth its salt will have a dedicated electronic warfare squad/wing. But I suppose that you are too cool to fly in fleets, and would swear up and down that the real men in a strategy-based MMO fly solo. Second of all, I would like to comment on how much of a worthless poster you are. There is very little reason for me to post this because given your history in this thread you will cherry-pick the ideas from this post that you disagree with and post something along the lines of how you "stopped reading here" (while continuing reading) or how you "started lolling here" or assign a seemingly random number between "0" and "-1" implying that the intent of the post was to incite rage. If you really want your ideas to be heard and your posts to mean something you should actually give reasons as to why you disagree with an idea. That, however, would require you to actually read the posts you are responding to and show some basic signs of intelligence, something that judging by the contents of your previous posts, I suppose you cannot be assed to do.
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.21 08:33:00 - [51] Originally by: abrasive soap No, actually I solo with that omen fit. If you don't even use it why are you commenting on how I should use it. Oh and it is also far faster than the vexor, thorax and plate rupture while doing more damage at 20km. Even nano Zealot needed a large cap battery for reasonable cap management and you are here saying how T1 Omen can do it without one. You can go hunting noobs and lol fitted ships but that does not make it a viable PVP option since you can do that in pretty much everything. As for the rest of your post, stop using ships way they are not intended or simply not working and ask for changes based on your misuse afterwards. No point discussing with you here.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.21 09:15:00 - [52] 'sup Soap Fighting the good fight I see. ______
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.21 10:58:00 - [53] Bleh, all this comparing to HACs is ****ing me off, sorry. Right. Brutix: 7 Neutrons @ FN Anti w/ 3 MFS II + 5 Hammer IIs = 860 DPS Myrmidon: 6 Neutrons @ FN Anti w/ 3 MFS II + 2 Ogre II, 2 Hammer II, 1 Hob II = 796 DPS Why is the DPS lower on the tier 2 Battlecruiser e.e www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.21 11:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Bleh, all this comparing to HACs is ****ing me off, sorry. Right. Brutix: 7 Neutrons @ FN Anti w/ 3 MFS II + 5 Hammer IIs = 860 DPS Myrmidon: 6 Neutrons @ FN Anti w/ 3 MFS II + 2 Ogre II, 2 Hammer II, 1 Hob II = 796 DPS Why is the DPS lower on the tier 2 Battlecruiser e.e Because Myrm has spare PG+CPU for tank and other mods while Brutix can't even fit a MWD with set of Neutrons. It is really pointless to pull out numbers reflecting non-existing ships..
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.22 00:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Caldor Mansi Edited by: Caldor Mansi on 21/10/2009 17:36:43 Originally by: abrasive soap No, actually I solo with that omen fit. If you don't even use it why are you commenting on how I should use it. Oh and it is also far faster than the vexor, thorax and plate rupture while doing more damage at 20km. Even nano Zealot needed a large cap battery for reasonable cap management and you are here saying how T1 Omen can do it without one. You can go hunting noobs and lol fitted ships but that does not make it a viable PVP option since you can do that in pretty much anything. As for the rest of your post, stop using ships way they are not intended or simply not working and ask for changes based on your misuse afterwards. No point discussing with you here. You don't perma run your mwd, bro. I am guessing you also fit large cap batteries on your vagabonds. You sir, are the worst troll ever. You're basically calling anything with blasters or autocannons lol fitted. Quote: First of all, you do realize that fleet command ships are intended to be used in medium to large sized fleets, right? In case you didn't know, any fleet larger than about 15 ships or so (that expects an engagement with a similar sized fleet) worth its salt will have a dedicated electronic warfare squad/wing. But I suppose that you are too cool to fly in fleets, and would swear up and down that the real men in a strategy-based MMO fly solo. Second of all, I would like to comment on how much of a worthless poster you are. There is very little reason for me to post this because given your history in this thread you will cherry-pick the ideas from this post that you disagree with and post something along the lines of how you "stopped reading here" (while continuing reading) or how you "started lolling here" or assign a seemingly random number between "0" and "-1" implying that the intent of the post was to incite rage. If you really want your ideas to be heard and your posts to mean something you should actually give reasons as to why you disagree with an idea. That, however, would require you to actually read the posts you are responding to and show some basic signs of intelligence, something that judging by the contents of your previous posts, I suppose you cannot be assed to do. Do you even play this game? When you get gangs above medium size (which is like what, 50 in today's game?) ewar becomes totally irrelevant as everything just instapops, namely the ewar, or it is too laggy to matter. No one runs electronic warfare in blobs except for like mostly harmless and other terrible nc alliances because it doesn't matter and it gets primaried anyways. Electronic warfare only matters in smaller gangs so you can disable enemy ships and even the odds or tilt the odds in your favor. If you have used electronic warfare in a large fleet fight, please link your killmail so I can believe you (if you brought one to a fleet fight it is guaranteed that you lost your ship or you were useless).
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.22 00:41:00 - [56] Originally by: abrasive soap You don't perma run your mwd, bro. I am guessing you also fit large cap batteries on your vagabonds. You sir, are the worst troll ever. You're basically calling anything with blasters or autocannons lol fitted. Sure you will cycle your MWD while Rupture/Thorax/Vexor is burning full speed towards you... I give you 40s before you cap out and you might even make 5% of armor damage before it gets you or you are forced to warp off. Any PVP fitted cruiser or BC has MWD fitted and it will be the same story as example above so what are you actually going to engage...?
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.22 00:46:00 - [57] Originally by: Caldor Mansi Originally by: abrasive soap You don't perma run your mwd, bro. I am guessing you also fit large cap batteries on your vagabonds. You sir, are the worst troll ever. You're basically calling anything with blasters or autocannons lol fitted. Sure you will cycle your MWD while Rupture/Thorax/Vexor is burning full speed towards you... I give you 40s before you cap out and you might even make 5% of armor damage before it gets you or you are forced to warp off. Any PVP fitted cruiser or BC has MWD fitted and it will be the same story as example above so what are you actually going to engage...? bro, all ships have a capacitor, bro omen has a pretty good capacitor dawg
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.22 00:57:00 - [58] Originally by: abrasive soap bro, all ships have a capacitor, bro omen has a pretty good capacitor dawg You have no clue what you talk about.
abrasive soap Bannable Offense.	Posted - 2009.10.22 00:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Caldor Mansi Originally by: abrasive soap bro, all ships have a capacitor, bro omen has a pretty good capacitor dawg You have no clue what you talk about. have you ever used an omen before?
Caldor Mansi	Posted - 2009.10.22 01:18:00 - [60] Originally by: abrasive soap have you ever used an omen before? I have a char that flies nothing else but Amarr with 32M SP... Omen is the only cruiser around that will run out of cap just by using guns and running a point. That means there is no cap regen when cycling MWD. You sir, have absolutely no idea about Amarr ships.

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