2) Have all NPCs that spawn in all 4 faction complexes be able to web you. This will solve the problem behind speedtanking and force intelligent fleet composition and gameplay to actually conquer complexes.

The sad thing is that speed tanking FW dungeons has been an issue since FW was first tested on Sisi and CCP just does not get it. If you look at the caldari/gallente front, neither of them can get into even tier 2 for more than a day because there is so much speed tanked plexing alts that no one can defend upgraded systems.

Webifier towers and webs on rats won't work because that will screw the defender so much he'll never fight and fw plex should be about ways to get pvp not pve and run. The obvious answer is to add the requirement that all rats must be killed in addition to being close to the button. This also fixes the exploit in which for example a caldari with high gallente standings does not get shot at by the enemy rats in an offensive plex.

Yes this is a consequence of the game mechanics and no planning or effort went into this from the alliances of minmatar milita.

That said I'd like to see a nerf to the speed tanking plexing as I'm not sure that is intended, as outlined in the OP. Don't pretend its the sole reason for the current state of the warzone though.

Two days is not a great sample period to be making blanket conclusions on. Amarr own few systems. If you were to attempt to plex on a regular basis you would discover:

WT coming into your plex to get you.
Friendlies popping in at the last minute to share your LP with you.

Also - this Dev Sponsored Discussion

Ewar has been removed from plexes.

1) Let Amarr speedtank Minmatar complexes so everyone is "equal" in our ability to speedtank. But this is a bad suggestion because the ability to speedtank each others' complexes is a bad design implementation. Let's move on to the better suggestion.

One is easy, but detrimental to the whole point of FW. The other is good and solves the basic problem behind FW at the moment.

2) Have all NPCs that spawn in all 4 faction complexes be able to web you. This will solve the problem behind speedtanking and force intelligent fleet composition and gameplay to actually conquer complexes.

WTs coming into the plex to get you doesn't do anything. Half of my complexes involve me spamming D-scan and warping to a safe as soon as I see a WT enter and I'll just AFK and wait until they leave the system and then I come back to it and complete the complex. I admit they could just defensive-plex it, but not everyone does that. Only one person has done that to me and I still finished that major plex anyway (38 minutes on the timer, still worth it)

The friendlies usually leave when I respectfully ask them to leave. If they don't, I deal with it and say "eh, it's okay if we share it!". Around 1 in 5 plexes involve me sharing it with a friendly, and even then it's not that big of a loss anyway.

Two days is not a great sample period to be making blanket conclusions on. Amarr own few systems. If you were to attempt to plex on a regular basis you would discover:

WT coming into your plex to get you.
Friendlies popping in at the last minute to share your LP with you.

2) Amarr has a harder time conquering our systems.

They need to be as hard a wormhole sites to make them worth the reward and worth running in gangs.

This is not the solution. The hard part of FW plexes should be the defending militia. Buffing NPCs will only promote PVE fits/fleets. The problem right now is that some factions can AFK cap major plexes in rifters without even fitting guns.

The simple solution is that all NPCs has to be killed to capture the plex.

I disagree. The NPCs need to be upgraded again then, just for Factional warfare. it should be just as hard as fighting player ships, should require PvP fits to kill. How can you be ok with sites being soloable? .

how would, pvp fit NPC ships promote PvE fits? what?

But I want missions where I have to fight 2 ships, and it's a hard tough battle that promotes actually learning to fly when combat lasts longer than lock, fire twice, repeat.

There are a number of reasons how I am able to get this much LP and how I have a high ISK per LP ratio:

1) I can speedtank their complexes.

2) Amarr cannot speedtank Minmatar complexes.

Amarr bring in the neuting power as per race bonus.
no cap no burner or mwd.

The side effect of this thread is that now the cat is out of the bag tons of people will be pouring into the Minmatar FW war to make quick riches before this gets axed. The situation will get far worse before it gets better.

I for one am looking forward to buying fleet issue stabbers for 25mil because there is a rapid influx in Minmatar FW pilots.

this thread made me sad.

600mil in no time on a 8 day old char.

I knew minmatar were making god and easy money but thats insane, ive made 600k lp so far and would make so little isk from it i cant even bring my self to exchange any of it.

All while the progress on the war is going so slow i dont think we will even get to t2 for months.

Minmatar can earn enough offensive plexing in a few hours to spant the intire rest of the day loosing ships decontesting systems to halt the Amarr progress.

Ive been hearing about amarr making minnie alts to cash in for their mains to fight on Amarr side: this is a crazy situation to be in. Effectively holding back more amarr progress to get the isk to be able to fight for the systems, its a total circle jerk.

how would, pvp fit NPC ships promote PvE fits? what?

this thread made me sad.

600mil in no time on a 8 day old char.

I knew minmatar were making good and easy money but thats insane, ive made 600k lp so far in the amarr miltia since the fw patch and would make so little isk from it i cant even bring my self to exchange any of it, nor spend any upgrading many systems yet as we hold so few.

All while the progress on the war is going so slow i dont think we will even get to t2 for months.

Minmatar can earn enough offensive plexing in a few hours to spant the intire rest of the day loosing ships decontesting systems to halt the Amarr progress.

Ive been hearing about amarr making minnie alts to cash in for their mains to fight on Amarr side: this is a crazy situation to be in. Effectively holding back more amarr progress to get the isk to be able to fight for the systems, its a total circle jerk.

First off, I want to say two things:

1) I have no idea if these changes were in before Inferno, as I didn't play much after I last quit in 2010. I also knew nothing about FW when I quit in 2010.

2) I apologize if there is already a thread up on this topic.

As it stands, it is too easy to make ISK via Minmatar FW. I made 600 mil with little to no effort in the last two days (Friday/Saturday) and if I care enough I'll make another 100 or 200 mil today. I am a 8-day old character, I should not be able to make that kind of ISK in so little time with the exception of intelligently playing the market. I know nothing about playing the market so I have to "work" for my ISK, but with FW I barely have to work at all for a lot of ISK.

Major complexes give 25000 LP.
Medium complexes give 15000 LP.
Minor complexes give 10000 LP.

For my horrible navigation skills, I can't speedtank a minor complex in a Vigil, nor can I really "do them" because my speedtanking Vigil fit with 200mm ACs can't even track them fast enough as I orbit them. This is still nice because I prefer to do Medium/Major complexes. Ultimately, I prefer doing major complexes as I can pretty much AFK in them as the orbital is so wide that they never get a lucky hit on me. In mediums I can't AFK too much because I'll get a hit here and there, so I have to pulse my SSB once in a while.

I made 188k LP in the last 2 days doing mostly majors, but some medium and minors (with partners) here and there. I didn't bother doing any plexes for the majority of yesterday as I made like 100k LP and I got bored of making more LP. On Friday night I made 80-90k LP. With what I'm trading in (which is slowly crashing in the market compared to the other Minmatar faction stuff that's crashing really fast) I get 3000 ISK per LP.

188k LP took me from 85 mil to 691 mil ISK.

There are a number of reasons how I am able to get this much LP and how I have a high ISK per LP ratio:

1) I can speedtank their complexes.

2) Amarr cannot speedtank Minmatar complexes.

Combine these reasons together and you will understand why Amarr is losing the Amarr vs Minmatar war heavily as Minmatar complexes cannot be speedtanked due to TPing and webbing NPCS. This means Amarr has very little progress in T1 while Minmatar is always T3 but fluctuates up to T4 daily.

The Gallente vs Caldari war do not have this problem because both sides can speedtank both factions. This means both Caldari and Gallente fluctate between T1 and T2.

The T3/T4 fluctuation is a huge advantage to my success. At T3, we pay normal price as other corporations for anything in the LP store. At T4, we pay 50% of the price! (just a note: T1 means you pay 4x the price, T2 you pay 2x, so as the tiers go you divide by two, this means T5 will be absolute insanity as it'd be 25% of normal price). This is for both ISK and LP, so something that costs 10000 LP and 10 million ISK to buy is 5000 LP and 5 million ISK to buy at T4.

So let's take a step back and see what this means. With T4, we get more from the LP store for cheaper. Factor in the fact that speedtanking Amarr plexes is effortless, resulting in a massive pseudo-free LP income, we have brand-new characters with crappy navigation skills making 200-300 mil per day with no effort and a couple of Vigil losses to retardation.

However, this can be fixed.

There are two solutions. One is easy, but detrimental to the whole point of FW. The other is good and solves the basic problem behind FW at the moment.

1) Let Amarr speedtank Minmatar complexes so everyone is "equal" in our ability to speedtank. But this is a bad suggestion because the ability to speedtank each others' complexes is a bad design implementation. Let's move on to the better suggestion.

2) Have all NPCs that spawn in all 4 faction complexes be able to web you. This will solve the problem behind speedtanking and force intelligent fleet composition and gameplay to actually conquer complexes.

Don't expect CCP to do jack or the next 5-6 months about this. Amarr is is just going to get used to the shaft. The day CCP fixes don't suck is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners.

cuz what we really need to do for factional warfare to make it more popular right now is gut the reward.... (sic)
This is not wow... factions don't need to be equal...

So, we should all just get on the Minmatar FW gravy train then?

So, we should all just get on the Minmatar FW gravy train then?

First off, I want to say two things:

1) I have no idea if these changes were in before Inferno, as I didn't play much after I last quit in 2010. I also knew nothing about FW when I quit in 2010.

2) I apologize if there is already a thread up on this topic.

As it stands, it is too easy to make ISK via Minmatar FW. I made 600 mil with little to no effort in the last two days (Friday/Saturday) and if I care enough I'll make another 100 or 200 mil today. I am a 8-day old character, I should not be able to make that kind of ISK in so little time with the exception of intelligently playing the market. I know nothing about playing the market so I have to "work" for my ISK, but with FW I barely have to work at all for a lot of ISK.

Major complexes give 25000 LP.
Medium complexes give 15000 LP.
Minor complexes give 10000 LP.

For my horrible navigation skills, I can't speedtank a minor complex in a Vigil, nor can I really "do them" because my speedtanking Vigil fit with 200mm ACs can't even track them fast enough as I orbit them. This is still nice because I prefer to do Medium/Major complexes. Ultimately, I prefer doing major complexes as I can pretty much AFK in them as the orbital is so wide that they never get a lucky hit on me. In mediums I can't AFK too much because I'll get a hit here and there, so I have to pulse my SSB once in a while.

I made 188k LP in the last 2 days doing mostly majors, but some medium and minors (with partners) here and there. I didn't bother doing any plexes for the majority of yesterday as I made like 100k LP and I got bored of making more LP. On Friday night I made 80-90k LP. With what I'm trading in (which is slowly crashing in the market compared to the other Minmatar faction stuff that's crashing really fast) I get 3000 ISK per LP.

188k LP took me from 85 mil to 691 mil ISK.

There are a number of reasons how I am able to get this much LP and how I have a high ISK per LP ratio:

1) I can speedtank their complexes.

2) Amarr cannot speedtank Minmatar complexes.

Combine these reasons together and you will understand why Amarr is losing the Amarr vs Minmatar war heavily as Minmatar complexes cannot be speedtanked due to TPing and webbing NPCS. This means Amarr has very little progress in T1 while Minmatar is always T3 but fluctuates up to T4 daily.

The Gallente vs Caldari war do not have this problem because both sides can speedtank both factions. This means both Caldari and Gallente fluctate between T1 and T2.

The T3/T4 fluctuation is a huge advantage to my success. At T3, we pay normal price as other corporations for anything in the LP store. At T4, we pay 50% of the price! (just a note: T1 means you pay 4x the price, T2 you pay 2x, so as the tiers go you divide by two, this means T5 will be absolute insanity as it'd be 25% of normal price). This is for both ISK and LP, so something that costs 10000 LP and 10 million ISK to buy is 5000 LP and 5 million ISK to buy at T4.

So let's take a step back and see what this means. With T4, we get more from the LP store for cheaper. Factor in the fact that speedtanking Amarr plexes is effortless, resulting in a massive pseudo-free LP income, we have brand-new characters with crappy navigation skills making 200-300 mil per day with no effort and a couple of Vigil losses to retardation.

However, this can be fixed.

There are two solutions. One is easy, but detrimental to the whole point of FW. The other is good and solves the basic problem behind FW at the moment.

1) Let Amarr speedtank Minmatar complexes so everyone is "equal" in our ability to speedtank. But this is a bad suggestion because the ability to speedtank each others' complexes is a bad design implementation. Let's move on to the better suggestion.

2) Have all NPCs that spawn in all 4 faction complexes be able to web you. This will solve the problem behind speedtanking and force intelligent fleet composition and gameplay to actually conquer complexes.

If only there was some way the Amar pilots could fy Rifters and do the exact same thing

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oh...wait...

Your forever posting these beatup threads and claiming to be an 8 day, week old, 2 week old toon.... trolololol


Your bitter vet shines right through. Unsub and do us all a favor.

1) I have no idea if these changes were in before Inferno, as I didn't play much after I last quit in 2010. I also knew nothing about FW when I quit in 2010.

If you actually thought I was a new guy and came to EVE for the first time a couple weeks ago. then you did not read my post in detail:

Let's step back and look at that. You have 200+ pilots vying for plexes in 10-14 systems. You can also get LP from kills - but you are sharing those with the fleet you're in. And you have to fleet up b/c Amarr are pushed into those 10-14 systems pretty tightly. And you have mission running. (which should be allowed only in enemy systems).

Now Pineapple is all excited. But other Minmatar are starting 'LP for defensive plexing!' threads. I was in Minmatar for 3 weeks after Inferno. I played sparingly and got 80k LP. I've played sparingly for the Amarr for a week and have 700k LP. Minmatar will suffer LP scarcity the more they push the Amarr out.

Did anybody? You consistently scream. I'm a troll look at me and my loads of butthurt.

Actualy no they wont. Becasue CCP has set it up that Minmatar that do Caldari Plexs get Minmatar LP. (and every cross milita plexing fyi) So Amarr could be wiped out. (unlikely as they are starting to retake systems, this new system favours Offensive in a lopsided way) So if no Amarr plexs to do , Minmatar can either mission for LP or they can come up to other front and get it by doing Caldari plexs.

In fact up here whole corps are going Minmatar and staying in Gallente warzone to make isk , get cheap SFI.

By the way your ceo and his alts are up here solo tanking Gallente Majors in WCS fitted punishers with no guns. Which is another arguement for having to kill NPC's. Pro flying by the way. You can grab him when he goes afk, but boy does he warp out fast :)

Plex do what they're meant to do - provide an avenue to push the system that leads to pvp fights. Of course the manner in which CCP implemented them was ********. You go AFK orbiting a thingy. It's dreadfully boring for those of us that like to pewpew, and a godsend for bots / jews. Really, anything past a minor shouldn't be soloable in a t1 frigate. Perhaps if the timers were shorter, but only ticked down when ALL the mobs were dead? Or if only the mobs rewarded LP, which when added all together, was similar to the LP you'd earn from capping? Something like that would go a long way to stop these afk wankers.

CCP obviously didn't think too much about this. Amarr will likely never get past L1 because of a snowball effect. People see Minmatar are winning, and join them. People playing Minmatar get 1. More LP, 2. Cheaper LP rewards which all translate into more ships to lose. They tell their friends how they're making 300mil a day by plexing, and more come for easy isk. I personally don't care as it means more ex slaves to baptize by fire, but god damn it was poorly thought out, and the FW mechanics themselves are stagnant as ****.

I'm actually baffled winmatars get LP's for capping caldari plex's. In my opinion they should only get the standing bonus but no LP. If they want to cap Cal space they can join the frogs and if they want winmatar LP they can try to cap amarr plexes.

First off, I want to say two things:

1) I have no idea if these changes were in before Inferno, as I didn't play much after I last quit in 2010. I also knew nothing about FW when I quit in 2010.

2) I apologize if there is already a thread up on this topic.

As it stands, it is too easy to make ISK via Minmatar FW. I made 600 mil with little to no effort in the last two days (Friday/Saturday) and if I care enough I'll make another 100 or 200 mil today. I am a 8-day old character, I should not be able to make that kind of ISK in so little time with the exception of intelligently playing the market. I know nothing about playing the market so I have to "work" for my ISK, but with FW I barely have to work at all for a lot of ISK.

Major complexes give 25000 LP.
Medium complexes give 15000 LP.
Minor complexes give 10000 LP.

For my horrible navigation skills, I can't speedtank a minor complex in a Vigil, nor can I really "do them" because my speedtanking Vigil fit with 200mm ACs can't even track them fast enough as I orbit them. This is still nice because I prefer to do Medium/Major complexes. Ultimately, I prefer doing major complexes as I can pretty much AFK in them as the orbital is so wide that they never get a lucky hit on me. In mediums I can't AFK too much because I'll get a hit here and there, so I have to pulse my SSB once in a while.

I made 188k LP in the last 2 days doing mostly majors, but some medium and minors (with partners) here and there. I didn't bother doing any plexes for the majority of yesterday as I made like 100k LP and I got bored of making more LP. On Friday night I made 80-90k LP. With what I'm trading in (which is slowly crashing in the market compared to the other Minmatar faction stuff that's crashing really fast) I get 3000 ISK per LP.

188k LP took me from 85 mil to 691 mil ISK.

There are a number of reasons how I am able to get this much LP and how I have a high ISK per LP ratio:

1) I can speedtank their complexes.

2) Amarr cannot speedtank Minmatar complexes.

Combine these reasons together and you will understand why Amarr is losing the Amarr vs Minmatar war heavily as Minmatar complexes cannot be speedtanked due to TPing and webbing NPCS. This means Amarr has very little progress in T1 while Minmatar is always T3 but fluctuates up to T4 daily.

The Gallente vs Caldari war do not have this problem because both sides can speedtank both factions. This means both Caldari and Gallente fluctate between T1 and T2.

The T3/T4 fluctuation is a huge advantage to my success. At T3, we pay normal price as other corporations for anything in the LP store. At T4, we pay 50% of the price! (just a note: T1 means you pay 4x the price, T2 you pay 2x, so as the tiers go you divide by two, this means T5 will be absolute insanity as it'd be 25% of normal price). This is for both ISK and LP, so something that costs 10000 LP and 10 million ISK to buy is 5000 LP and 5 million ISK to buy at T4.

So let's take a step back and see what this means. With T4, we get more from the LP store for cheaper. Factor in the fact that speedtanking Amarr plexes is effortless, resulting in a massive pseudo-free LP income, we have brand-new characters with crappy navigation skills making 200-300 mil per day with no effort and a couple of Vigil losses to retardation.

However, this can be fixed.

There are two solutions. One is easy, but detrimental to the whole point of FW. The other is good and solves the basic problem behind FW at the moment.

1) Let Amarr speedtank Minmatar complexes so everyone is "equal" in our ability to speedtank. But this is a bad suggestion because the ability to speedtank each others' complexes is a bad design implementation. Let's move on to the better suggestion.

2) Have all NPCs that spawn in all 4 faction complexes be able to web you. This will solve the problem behind speedtanking and force intelligent fleet composition and gameplay to actually conquer complexes.

Each side has always been able to run plexes on both fronts.

The key issue is rewards on all fronts are out of whack with effort. Your concerns are only concerns because Minmatar LP rewards may (or may not) provide more incentive for farmers to plex for Gallente than the ease of 1 day old alt farmers plexing for Caldari.

It also counter balances the penalty of everyone farming for winmatar.

What I was trying to say was that the entire system is out of whack. Plexing in Caldari/Gallente space for Minmatar LP is only a symptom.

What I was trying to say was that the entire system is out of whack. Plexing in Caldari/Gallente space for Minmatar LP is only a symptom.

FW warfare should be about PvP, IMHO they should remove the PvE componenets including plex and missions.

When I was in Caldari you couldn't get a fleet for PvP, but mention you needed more for some missions and you would get many people.

That is lame.

And don't tell me FW would be dead, yes, the PvEers would leave, but they don't count anyway.

I see some people fail to grasp what ISK/hour is.

It's not three unrestricteds +15% minmatar bonus for 103500 LPs that magically turn into ISK on the spot.

It's all the hours from undocking. to finding plex, to running them, to going to the LP shop, to selling whatever you exchanged your LPs for.

Factional Warfare needs to be nerfed

You still fail at Business 101.

You can't exclude the time (or the outsourcing costs) for traveling, exchanging LPs, hauling, and trading. The three hours you spent yesterday grinding for 95k LPs are only a part of the time you spend before you have ISK in your wallet. The correct way to calculate FW ISK/hour (not LP/hour) is adding up all of the activities undertaken.

Unlike incursions, FW is actually newbie-friendly, and you dont have to have a 5b fit on your machariel to get into a fleet.

Unlike incursions, FW got an easy to reach ceiling of simultanous player jewing them out. 2-3 guys per system, against 200-300 people for each incursion.

Unlike incursions, FW promote PvP, being located in lowsec and far from gates.

And unlike incursions, FW isnt an isk-faucet. It's an LP-faucet, LP being traded for various items, you also end up with a semi-self-regulating system, where farming too much LP ends up devaluating these LP and the items they offers, which in turns devaluate your LP and your ally LP, but in turns makes your "product" cheaper for the rest of Eve.

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UPDATE:

I am at 14 days played and I have acquired 1.5b ISK off LP transactions alone. I honestly do not feel like I did anything to get that 1.5b. All I can remember is orbiting a button on a couple days and acquiring massive amounts of LP. I've only plexed for 4 days or so, all of the others were just me logging in a little bit and not doing anything. Based on how much ISK a player can make with no effort in his first two weeks (basically my point is a trial player can do this), I do not think FW is balanced in terms of risk/reward - zero risk, great reward.

And that's not even the worst of it. If someone played like me for 16 hours a day he could make 5 billion in 5 days easily. Probably more closer to 10-15 billion in 2 weeks. How is this balanced? You can put in so much effort into FW and get massive rewards for essentially zero risk. This is beyond ridiculous and it's boggles me that I know when I link this update into Militia channel, people are going to go "stfu pineapple FW is balanced go get a new haircut".

1- LP Tier system should be removed all together, and revert back to the pre-inferno prices.
2- The current useless system upgrades should be changed to something useful.
3- Remove E-war from all plexes.
4- Give half the LP for defensive plexing.

here, i fixed FW for all of you, come on CCP get to work, thank you.

I'm really sick and tired of all the whining floating around FW, plexs were like this since empyrean, still ... minmatar had their bad eras and good eras, so obviously the plexs aren't the reason.
and frankly this amount of crying never occurred before, it only began when it is tied to isk making, which prove that you all are a punch of clueless carebears, that doesn't change the fact that it needs to be fixed iam just saying.

FW doesn't introduce ISK into EVE. There's no printing. In fact, it's an ISK sink. When you get an implant off the store for LP+ISK, you remove ISK from the game, reducing inflation.

FW is an ISK redistributor. Players with lots of ISK are willing to pay for the LP store stuff. Who are they? Maybe ex-incursion runners. Maybe sanctum runners. Maybe L4 blitzers. Maybe moon goo rich goons. Maybe PLEX sellers. Maybe market speculators. At any rate, they are people who have more billions than you do, and who more often than not got their billions with just as little work as you do now.

FW doesn't introduce ISK into EVE. There's no printing. In fact, it's an ISK sink. When you get an implant off the store for LP+ISK, you remove ISK from the game, reducing inflation.

FW is an ISK redistributor. Players with lots of ISK are willing to pay for the LP store stuff. Who are they? Maybe ex-incursion runners. Maybe sanctum runners. Maybe L4 blitzers. Maybe moon goo rich goons. Maybe PLEX sellers. Maybe market speculators. At any rate, they are people who have more billions than you do, and who more often than not got their billions with just as little work as you do now.

You're nitpicking the less meaningful parts of my OP instead of the good stuff.

Once again I have to tell you...



Yes, I try to bring up the economic aspects of FW to better explain the impacts of the PvE elements of FW distracting many players from the PvP elements of FW. The fact that people can get rich off FW is reducing the overall amount of PVP in FW and this is most likely unintended as FW is supposed to encourage PVP. What part of this do you not understand?

if you want to get rich .. win FW and crush the opposing forces, so it is really an intended thing.

i can tell you right now that the Minmatar worked dam hard to get to this point

i can also tell you without a doubt that the Amarr can and will change the tide pretty soon.

another problem here is the new leeching accounts,... the requirement to join the FW that was just decreased to 0.0 should actually get higher to like 1~2 or something or maybe even higher.

Yep, dont even try to deny it muad, and seriously no fights? get out of sis auga pocket, i never see you anywhere out of these 3 systems, and you will get fights, pathetic..... I actually didnt read your full post because the cry is getting strong with you it is clouding your views

and pine, i will stop arguing with you right here, obviously you are new to FW and have absolutely no idea what was goinon pre-inferno.
Keep on crying

Aya out.

All I hear is tears from a person who is pretty upset I am threatening to stop your way of making ISK.

well if you haven't noticed mister smarty i suggested the LP system to be removed entirely earlier, i dont care one bit about that ****, you are not threatening me or anyone actually, you are just fooling yourself thinking you are the hero of salvation or something, so yeah i will keep my word this time and will stop bothering....

oh and if you dont care what happened pre-inferno, then dont quote me and state your non existent view about it, understand?

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Aya really out

So how can i join the Minmatar FW?

So do you just go in and speedtank it and get LP, sorry iam a noob?

Yes.

Thanks for letting me know about this great service sir i will be joning to speed tank them all, but where should i start?

FW doesn't introduce ISK into EVE. There's no printing. In fact, it's an ISK sink. When you get an implant off the store for LP+ISK, you remove ISK from the game, reducing inflation.

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I tried plexing some majors/minors with a Vigil (1mn ab, ssb, 2xoverd, nano), got destroyed twice. My speed was about 1250m/s. I am thinking to try a cheaper ship, the Slasher, since it has much smaller signature than the Vigil (30 instead of 44). Fitted one with 1mn ab, ssb, 1xoverd, but I am stuck on 1200m/s, is that enough to speed tank majors?

I should not be able to make that kind of ISK in so little time with the exception of intelligently playing the market.